Once saved, always saved is a myth.

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
How did you come up with this statement?

Because the cross is the payment for our entrance into the kingdom of God, and the reason we continue in the kingdom of God..

Michiah-Imla said:
The Kingdom of God is most certainly not now.

One false doctrine breeds another I see…

Its not?

Mark 1:15
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

marks · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
How did you come up with this statement?

The Kingdom of God is most certainly not now.

One false doctrine breeds another I see…

Colossians 1:12-13 KJV
12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Much love!

MatthewG · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
I am not being aggressive.

I am just telling you what you are saying

I believe what you said,l it is for that reason I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY.

which is why I am dumbfounded that you do not. Because you keep posting things that SUPPORT it.

If you can not handle people telling you what they see you say,, Then you have more issues than I can help with

Never asked for any help. Thank you.

MatthewG · Mar 13, 2024

marks said:
Colossians 1:12-13 KJV
12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Much love!

Yes we are part of the Kingdom of God, where believers in the heavenly Jerusalem reside with Yahavah, and the Lamb. That is the hope to go be there with them. You also have other believers on earth who are part of the kingdom of God to, because they love, and are dwelled by the Spirit of God.

Michiah-Imla · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
the kingdom of God is at hand

marks said:
translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son

The kingdom of God is the gospel, it’s the spiritual realm.

“…the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

And we are threatened not to fall away into sin again or we will not inherit it in its full glory in the end:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived…” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

MatthewG said:
Never asked for any help. Thank you.

You don't get it.

You say you do not agree with eternal security.. then you post things that prove eternal security

whether you want help or not is not in question.. or the reason.

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
The kingdom of God is the gospel, it’s the spiritual realm.

“…the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

And we are threatened not to fall away into sin again or we will not inherit it in its full glory in the end:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived…” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

I am in the kingdom of God right now..

The unrighteous, that would be EVERYONE.

except those who were given the righteousness of Christ.

MatthewG · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
The kingdom of God is the gospel, it’s the spiritual realm.

“…the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

And we are threatened not to fall away into sin again or we will not inherit it in its full glory in the end:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived…” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

Yes, there is that caveat as well.

Eternally Grateful said:
You don't get it.

You say you do not agree with eternal security.. then you post things that prove eternal security

whether you want help or not is not in question.. or the reason.

Well maybe you’ll just get the hint and leave me be. While I believe myself to be part of the Kingdom, my hope is to be able to maybe enter it after this life.

It’s up to me to continue to live and die to myself and pick up the cross and follow after the Lord Yeshua.

There is no scripture indication of “once saved always saved” why you continue to talk about it as though it does to a person who disagrees with you, is baffling.

MatthewG · Mar 13, 2024

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Michiah-Imla · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
I am in the kingdom of God right now..

It’s in you as long as you continue in the faith grounded and settled (Colossians 1:23).

I rather learn from Jesus himself what the kingdom of God is:

“And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed…” (Mark 4:30-31)

“And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21)

mailmandan · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
lol

So the cross is meaningless?

come on man. why are you fighting it?

The kingdom of God is now. I am in it..

if I walk, I am blessed. if I do not. well i tried that once, I was not blessed at all..

But I was always a child of God.

None of us are worthy "in of ourselves" to obtain salvation/receive eternal life. (Romans 3:10-12; 23; 6:23) Through FAITH, believers are "accounted as worthy" (Luke 20:35) and "accounted as righteous" (Romans 4:5-6) because we believe in Him/trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and not in works (Romans Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9), but apart from the blood of Christ, we are not worthy and righteous.

marks · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
The kingdom of God is the gospel, it’s the spiritual realm.

“…the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

And we are threatened not to fall away into sin again or we will not inherit it in its full glory in the end:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived…” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

You did not respond to the passage I posted.

And it's not as if these you are posting here negate what I've posted.

Much love!

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
It’s in you as long as you continue in the faith grounded and settled (Colossians 1:23).

I rather learn from Jesus himself what the kingdom of God is:

“And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed…” (Mark 4:30-31)

“And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21)

Nope

God said I will never perish, and I have eternal life.

You want to work to earn it.. Feel free..

BreadOfLife · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
This post just proves my case..

lol. You cherry pick verses to support your works based legalistic pharisee gospel.. and then you twist other ones (like John 6) and make God out to be a liar. then you want to attack me.

No – I always show context.

Cherry-picking is what YOU do by claiming that the Bible supports OSAS without showing the conditions for it.

And, what in John 6 did I cherry-pick?

Eternally Grateful said:
When your ready to discuss the word. let me know
Oh wait. You can;t do that. You have to blindly follow your leaders..

Coming from a person who blindly follow man-made inventions like Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, OSAS , etc.

Michiah-Imla · Mar 13, 2024

Eternally Grateful said:
God said I will never perish

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

BreadOfLife said:
No – I always show context.

Cherry-picking is what YOU do by claiming that the Bible supports OSAS without showing the conditions for it.

And, what in John 6 did I cherry-pick?

Coming from a person who blindly follow man-made inventions like Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, OSAS , etc.

lolol

John 6 says whoever eats will never die, live forever, never hunger or thirst, will liver forever, and has eternal life. and give4n Christs own promise he WILL raise them on the last day.

You believe we must do it weekly or more and it does not promise any of these things

I do not follow men. I follow the word..

marks · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
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Mocking is never a valid response, it only reveals what's in your heart. In this case, ridicule and contempt.

Personally, I've learned to evaluate people on their behavior as much as on their doctrine. And I often find poor doctrine is accompanied by poor behavior.

The fact is that if someone who is born again should "die again", and not appear with Jesus in glory, then Scripture would become untrue, and our faith in vain.

Those who believe rebirth is forever, these aren't the ones throwing the Bible away, these are the ones who believe all the words in the Bible, and receive them as truth.

Much love!

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
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Thats what your doing.

Thinking you will earn salvation you will stand in front of God will all your works.. And he will say depart from me for I never knew you

Me, My security is in Christ. because in myself there is nothing good..

Michiah-Imla · Mar 13, 2024

marks said:
The fact is that if someone who is born again should "die again", and not appear with Jesus in glory, then Scripture would become untrue, and our faith in vain.

You have believed a lie.

And If your lie isn’t true, your deduction is that the scriptures would be a lie???

What a mess!

Eternally Grateful · Mar 13, 2024

Michiah-Imla said:
You have believed a lie.

And If your lie isn’t true, your deduction is that the scriptures would be a lie???

What a mess!

But he is right.

Jesus said those who are born again will NEVER PERISH but have ETERNAL LIFE.

If they can die again, Jesus lied.

Once saved, always saved is a myth.

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