The Godhead

Greeting HiddenManna, in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Well I say only what the scriptures say, the Father and the Son are One. You seem to struggle with heavenly things, and feel you must bring them down to a carnal level? I do not, I say this is a great mystery of Gods Divine Godhead.


Well I say only what the scriptures say. that's fine, saying and knowing is two different things. you can say and don't know.
see when you say ONE, is that the Nature, or the Spirit. or is it the three PERSON of your trinity?.

HiddenManna

ONE one means in spirit, or thoughts.
Listen, our thoughts are not his thoughts. this have nothing to do with your PHYICAL individuality as a PERSON. we're ONE with him in Spirit, or thoughts. what is a thought in nature?. listen to what God said, Matthew 5:27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart". the nature of God is Spirit or his thoughts. alright what is the Sin? the actual deed?. no, the thought, which is spiritual. and the act itself or the actual physical deed the commitment to that thought is call iniquity, when it is actual carried out, the DEED or the WORK. or the manifestation of what we can't see, which is spirit, or the thought.

to aspen2, Greeting from the Lord Jesus.

I was going to answer you in long format. but I honor your request. only one thing. "a mind is a terrible thing to waste".

be blessed.

2 HiddenManna, in the name of the Lord Jesus.

in concourse with justaname, under the topic the trinity. let me try to explain as to what is going on, as to his name, and His Person. please follow closely.

you said, Of Course God is a Spirit, and unity is in the spirit, not in the physical realm of mans understanding. Those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and truth, thus we also are ONE with Him..

God name hold a mystery which I will share with you, so that you might get the full understanding as to what I'm saying. going back to Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you".
Lets see this mystery in this name, "I AM THAT I AM". here, God give Moses his three dispensation, or how he reveals himself. this is how the trinitarians are fooled by the devil. I'm Going to make it so EASY for you to see. I teach ONLY the Holy Spirit. Not titles, or Appellation.

first we need to see this name in the proper three dispensation, and NOT three PERSON.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

IN THESE THREE BOOKS WE CAN SEE GOD HAVE REVEALED HIMSELF. EACH IS A BEGINNING, AND NOT A PERSON.
in Genesis, 1:1 & 2, he's Creator, and Maker of all things, God, the eternal Spirit, his first dispensation, and title, ("father"). and in John 1:1-5, he's the SAME Creator of Genesis, the Maker of all things, the (father). and now revealed in the diversified spirit, in Flesh, bone, and blood, the title ("Son"). is the Same Spirit, that is Redeemer, and Saviour, his second dispensation. and in Revelation 1:1-5 he's in GLORIFIED Flesh and bone as Comforter, and Mediator. the SAME Spirit that is Creator, and Maker of all things in Genesis 1:1. and also the (Son) in diversified spirit, of Flesh, bone, and blood, (as a man), the Redeemer, and Saviour of the world in John 1:1.THIS IS THE SAME ETERNAL SPIRIT WHICH ABIDE WITH US NOW. the SAME Spirit, of the diversified, (Son, the ETERNAL SPIRIT in bodily Form, see Colossians 2:9), is the Spirit of Christ, who is seated on the throne in bodily form as Mediator. and the ETERNAL SPIRIT, Creator, (Father), without the bodily form which is in heaven, is the Spirit that proceedth from that boldly FORM that is seated in heaven, hence the "WE" will come unto you. for we cannot see him with the naked eye in the earth realm. only he is manifested in the spiritual gifts, (see 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. and after this last dispensation of grace, returning KING and Prince of this world.

so lets look at this name. I AM, THAT I AM. if one would notice when comparing the name with the name in Revelation 1:4b "which is, and which was, and which is to come". one would notice that the both "I AM" in Exodus, and both "which is" in Revelation correspond with the SAME meaning, "Spirit". as well as the "THAT" in Exodus. and the "which was" in Revelation, both point to the "WAS" in John 1:1. what "that", same Spirit "WAS" in flesh & blood. both "I AM", and both "which is" are Spirit. and the "THAT", in Exodus, and the "which was" in Revelation is the "FLESH" that God came in John 1:1.

lets see it clearly. The first I AM
Genesis 1:1 I AM or hayah . Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was (hayah, come into being), without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"
the (Eternal Spirit) is titled "Father". meaning, Creator, and Maker of everything. the beginning of all creation, (including MAN). Hence, your trinitarian doctrine (the title "Father", because the Spirit that Moved upon the face of the deep is "GOD", (your first PERSON) of your trinity?. this is the first beginning. the Eternal Spirit, whom you call (GOD), your first PERSON in your trinity. without Flesh, bone or blood. this is the "which is" in revelation chapter 1:4b.

Now, "THAT", that what?. that, "which was", (rev 1:4b). clarity, that which was Spirit, without flesh, without bone, without blood, is now manifested in it. this is the "WAS" of John 1:1. notice all of the was, for revelation 1:4b reveals it. and John 1:1 prove it. "In the beginning was the Word, (Past tense, Genesis 1:1) and the Word was with God, (Present tense. what was, is in now, NOW IN FLESH & BLOOD. with or SAME, "Allos" is God, diversified, the title "Son" is with the Father always, again, in diversified spirit). and the Word was God, (past tense, in reference to present time. (Revelation 1:4b). no longer in Flesh & Blood. Now in the new body, Glorified, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with (there's the "with" in flesh & blood), thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. )". there is the "WAS". before the world. so the "I AM", before the world was, came in flesh and blood, as a man, with the PERSONAL name of JESUS, which is the PERSONAL NAME OF the ETERNAL SPIRIT, or the one whom you call God, which I say, "the HOLY SPIRIT". meaning, Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us". this is the PERSONAL NAME of GOD. not a title or an Appellation. this tell us "WHO" he is, the ETERNAL SPIRIT in FLESH. remember it was the ETERNAL SPIRIT "that" caused the flesh, "to be", or I AM "THAT" I AM, to be.

so, lets recap, "I AM" is the ETERNAL SPIRIT, GOD, whom you call, with the title, "Father". without Flesh & blood creator of Heaven and Earth. is the SAME, the Greek word for "ANOTHER", "Allos". meaning the SAME Sort, or Nature. which is the SAME ETERNAL SPIRIT, in diversity, manifested in Flesh and Blood as a Man. and being found in the FASHION as a MAN, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". as a MAN, he could then REDEEM, and SAVE us from sin. scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". but I thought you said that the son CAME. O I forgot, the son is the (SECOND) Person of GOD, yea right. NO he is the SAME GOD, re-read Isaiah 35:4. who came in diversified spirit. you see God came as a man to die for us. because in his ETERNAL NATURE, he cannot die. so he got, or he begotten an "ONLY NATURE", where he could come and die in. he, (the ETERNAL SPIRIT), whom you call God, visited a virgin, causing in her womb flesh, bone and blood to be conceive. God kept his promise to David. Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne". Mary was the fruit of David Body genetically. but our Lord was David Son only by BIRTH RIGHT, according to NATURAL BIRTH, as a diversity, JUST LIKE US IN HUMAN FORM. but he, (Jesus the Christ), have a heavenly NATURE, according to the Spirit. so, with blood, he could die from "that" nature of Flesh and Blood. remember the ETERNAL SPIRIT SHARED, or was" Allos" in spirit, as a man, hence you second PERSON in your trinity title (son). which is not a second or ANOTHER, or as the Greek would say, G2087 heteros, but G243, ALLOS, the same PERSON, but a SHARE, or "Allos" of the ETERNAL SPIRIT. so, we have the Same Spirit in Flesh and BLOOD, who created the heavens and the earth, (see John 1:3. this is the mystery of the "Father", and the "Son". whom the trinitarians is void of this KNOWLEDGE. I hear many, even with PHD, and DD, say "God in complexity". well that complexity is no more. so no more excuses. the trinity is in ERROR, because of the lack of KNOWLEDGE, or wisdom from the ETERNAL and ONLY ONE TRUE SPIRIT. whom the world have made their Last or third PERSON of their trinity. it's not three Person, ONLY ONE PERSON in three dispensation. now lets get your third (PERSON). the TRUE GOD, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

the Last part of this name, "I AM".
we now know that the first part of this name, "I AM" is without Flesh and Blood. and this SAME "I AM". came in flesh and blood, as a man, to REDEEM and SAVE us from sin, this is the "THAT" in the second part of this NAME. or as you would say (the Second Person). he came with his own name, now revealed. "JESUS", or in Hebrew "YESHUA". this is the PERSONAL NAME OF GOD, the ETERNAL SPIRIT, which all men may be saved by. the meaning?, Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us". this is the PERSONAL NAME of THE ETERNAL SPIRIT, whom you call GOD. this name is not a title or an Appellation. this tell us "WHO" he is, the ETERNAL SPIRIT or whom you call, "GOD", in FLESH. now in Glorified Flesh, Bone", NO BLOOD, hence the title, (the Holy Spirit).
now this SAME Spirit, which is "HOLY", and "ETERNAL", is the SAME, or in the Greek, "ALLOS", is the "SAME" Spirit who " hayah" or (I AM), CREATED, and MADE, all things in Genesis 1:1. and is the "SAME", or in the Greek "ALLOS", the SAME Eternal, and "Holy" Spirit who REDEEMED and SAVED us. "which was", in flesh and Blood, (see Revelation 1:4b), is the "SAME, or "ALLOS", Holy and ETERNAL Spirit , that is now GLORIFIED in heaven. and is our MEDIATOR, and COMFORTER. as a setting Priest, he mediated for us. and as his Spirit that is sent forth, he help us. scripture, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one". one meaning God, the ETERNAL SPIRIT, now Glorified in an ETERNAL body.

so we have the Creator, Genesis, 1:1, Spirit, title, "Father", ( I AM). and we have the spirit, Son "of" the ETERNAL SPIRIT, diversified, title, "Son". Saviour and redeemer, John 1:1, (I AM, "THAT"). and we have the full Revelation. the SAME Spirit, ETERNAL, and HOLY in a Glorified Body as, MEDIATOR, and his Spirit sent into the EARTH realms, (before his throne, see revelation chapter 4 & 5)), is Comforter or the helper, the Spirit of Truth. hence, Revelation 1:4, (I AM, THAT I AM) or (Which is, which was and which is to com). who is this?. Revelation 1:4b " which is, (I AM, Genesis 1:1 Creator, and Maker), and, which was, (THAT, John 1:1 Redeemer, and saviour) and which is to come, (I AM, Revelation 1:1 Comforter, and mediator). hence "I AM THAT I AM". which is, Genesis, 1:1, "which was", with, John 1:1, and "which is to come", Revelation 1:1.
the SAME and the ONE self Spirit.

WHAT A NAME

I hope you understand.

be blessed.

Not sure of your point?

that mean you read without understanding.

the point is, there is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, and not THREE PERSON within that ONE Spirit.

and your complexity of the Godhead is made simple. NO COMPLEXITY ONLY ONE PERSON.

Well not sure how you define "person" but we know there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Thats three, call it what you like its still three seperate, but united beings. When Jesus was baptised and the Holy Spirit sat upon Him, and the Father spoke from Heaven. We see that in fact the united God, was revealing Himself in three ways. So not sure of what point you think you are making? but the scriptures are without debate on this issue.

I believe, I address that question before. again Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are title, NOT PERSONS. the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT hold all of those titles.

Understand this, three is three, separate or united, it's still three, and when one worship three Spirits, or three Person, or three Gods, that's Polytheism, plain, and simple. one simple question, is the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of God the SAME or Separate Spirit?. now if you say the Same Spirit, then you have your answer, because the title "Christ" and "God" identify the Same Spirit. can you see this?. now if you say no, and separate then you have TWO SEPERATE Spirits, and that Polytheism.


do you understand now. "Christ" and "God" is the Title of the Same Spirit.

Sorry again you are in error, the Father did not look upon a "title" and say "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON" nor did the Holy Spirit come upon a title but a person, and all three where One.

boy this is embarrassing. question, is the word "Father", a title, yes or NO. if yes then it is the Same PERSON who have the title "Son". and Holy Spirit.
My son Personal Name is not "Son". its "Eric". neither is my daughter personal is "daughter".

ONE MORE TRY. what is the "Beloved Son" Personal Name. and next what is the "Father" Personal name.

Look, if you can't understand all I have presented before you. don't worry about it. just leave it alone.

Last ditch effort

These are three different aspects of the same God.

are these, as you say aspect, are persons?, yes or no.

The reading of the passage shows the Son, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit upon Him, and the father speaking from heaven.

NOW STOP right there. you just gave the title "Son", for the PERSON Jesus. now do the Same for the title "Father", and for the Title "Holy Spirit". what are their Personal Names?.
I'll be waiting for your answer.

Greeting to all in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
let me give the reason why I ask for the Personal Names, or the Proper Noun of each of your so-called person of your trinity.
BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER NAMES. meaning there is no other PERSON in the Godhead, beside the ONLY ONE PERSON, WHO IS JESUS. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. God said there is no GOD, beside him, and that's a capital "G" in God, and he said "I" which is singular, meaning ONE. ONE PERSON.

Jesus our Lord is God, Lord, LORD, Christ, Father, Son, and the "Holy" Spirit. Jesus our Lord is "Holy". he, and he alone holds all of those titles.

by asking for the personal name of the other supposed PERSON of your trinity, there was no answer. because there is none. one should wake up to the fact that there is ONE LORD who is GOD, and not three PERSON in ONE GOD. that word GOD, have mislead you in ERRORS. just as the titles, "Father", and "Son". I will show you this by answering Purity Post. it states,
2 persons
1 purpose
1 is subject to the other
Both have power
Jesus did not pre-exist.
Personal Names:
Yahweh Elohim
Yeshua Ha-Mashiach
The Holy Spirit is not a title for a person but rather His Power.
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It's amazing, to Purity, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus.
this is Polytheism at its best.
Just a few question Purity. you said that the Holy Spirit is not a title for a person but rather His Power. and I'm assuming the the PERSON you're talking about is the ONE whom you call Yahweh Elohim, I hope you believe the bible. because I'm again assuming Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is the one you're calling the second PERSON. if I'm wrong correct me.

Now, here's your problem Purity. if the Holy Spirit is your Yahweh Elohim Power. explain this scripture. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". well Purity, it seems like the one who you call Christ or the Messiah, the Ha-Mashiach is the POWER of God. can you please explain this.

and two, you said, "both have POWER". if the Holy Spirit is your Yahweh Elohim Power, what is your Yeshua Ha-Mashiach Power?. because you said, The Holy Spirit is not a title for a person but rather His Power". so who is Yeshua Power then?.

and three, you said, "Jesus did not pre-exist", ok lets see. is not Jesus, Yeshua, the Christ, the Ha-Mashiach. then explain these scriptures, 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ". the scriptures plainly states that your Yeshua, Ha-Mashiach is the ROCK. lets see who is the ROCK. Deuteronomy 32:3 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. 4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he". well Purity, the subject here is God, and God is the Rock, and the Rock is Christ, or the Ha-Mashiach, it seems like Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is not the SECOND PERSON of the Godhead. these scriptures say that Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is God and that he pre-exist before his flesh. let prove it again, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Hmmmmmmm, before the world was?. that seems like pre-existence to me.

fourth, and since you said Jesus didn't pre-exist. so I ask when did Jesus start or began?. Boy I'll be waiting for that answer.

fifth, you said, "Both have power". listen, 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". now Purity, I want you to think before you answer these question. now the subject is the Lord Jesus the Christ, right. ok #1. the scripture states that he, (the Lord Jesus) is the ONLY POTENTATE, meaning G1413 δυνάστης dunastes (doo-nas'-tace) n.
1. a ruler or officer
[from G1410]
KJV: of great authority, mighty, potentate. (Note: sound like the Might God in Isaiah 9:6)
Root(s): G1410
from G1410 do you know what his root is?, listen, G1410 δύναμαι dunamai (doo'-nam-ai) v.
1. to be able or possible
[of uncertain affinity]
KJV: be able, can (do, + -not), could, may, might, be possible, be of power

notice he is the ONLY one who have POWER, so where do that leave your Yahweh Elohim?. it leave YOUR Yahweh Elohim, powerless.. #2. verse 16 Who only hath immortality. now Purity, please think real hard before you answer this, he, (Jesus, the Christ), is the only one who have immortality. now if Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is the ONLY ONE, ONE, ONE, who have immortality, that put a dent into who's subject to who, and who is the pre-existing one. and it puts a dent in who is the second PERSON in the Godhead, don't it. the scripture say ONLY, means ONE, not two, but ONE. see, you make statements, but the BIBLE prove you in ERROR, dead WRONG. if Lord Jesus is the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE who have immortality. then there is no ONE ELSE. plain and simple.
#3. dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto. Hold it, that just killed that 100% God, and 100% man nonsense. if Jesus was 100% man also, then this part of scripture in error. because it said, no man can approach unto. any one who said that Jesus is a 100% man is in ERROR. He Jesus manifested in Flesh, and by manifesting in it he became a LIFE GIVING spirit, in flesh and BLOOD. NOT MORTAL, FOR NO MAN COULD KILL HIM. NO NOT EVEN THE ROMAN ON THE CROSS. HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE. HE "GAVE" HIS LIFE, NO ONE TOOK IT. BECAUSE DEATH HAD NO CLAIM ON HIM, HE LAID IT DOWN IN THE NATURAL FLESH AND BLOOD.
are we getting a picture here?. there is no two PERSON, NO TWO Spirits, and no TWO Gods. ONLY ONE PERSON, ONLY ONE GOD. and that's JESUS, the Christ.
see Purity, Yahweh Elohim is not the Personal name of God. and as for the "Holy" Spirit. Holy is his, (GOD), character, and Spirit is his, (GOD) Nature. hence the Words Holy Spirit. Purity, the Holy Spirit is JESUS. Listen, Psalms 16:10 "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption". you know this is talking about Jesus the Christ Right. listen again, Psalms 71:22 "I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel". here the Holy One is God, the "Holy" Spirit. Jesus the Christ is the ONLY God. and he came in flesh and blood to redeem, and save us. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". see your ERROR. now to make sure that the Holy One is the Lord Jesus in the new testament, Acts 3:14 "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you".

I could go on and on, showing you scripture, after scripture, that there is only one Person in the Godhead. but you need to re-read the scriptures for yourself, before its too late. and understand the word of God.

be blessed.

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G-O-D is three Letters, Fine, L-O-R-D is four Letters and the LORD is God, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD". so what's the point?.