kaotic profit said:
Hermeneutics Purity.
What you said isn't true because the word apostasy means to forsake, abandon, or divorce something.
Yes,
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Notes on 1 John 2:26
The phrase those who are trying to deceive you in 1 John 2:26 is a clear reference to the secessionist opponents mentioned earlier in 1 John 2:19, who are attempting to deceive the people the author is writing to.
Of course the passage is speaking of docetism threatens to lure away many members of the true faith. A small group of docetic believers has split from the main Christian community.
I wont here speak about the Roman Catholics view on the nature of Christ and how far they have strayed from the true teaching.
And the word has nothing to do whether one has, or does not have, the truth. A Muslim can be apostate by converting to Hinduism. A Buddhist can be an apostate by converting to Islam. You can't be an apostate and remain in the same religion. Just like you can't forsake, abandon, divorce, or defect from something and still be a part of it.
True but none of which held truth - the warnings of Paul revealed a true body slowly being infiltrated by false teachers who would eventually permeate the whole lump.
The word apostasy is used twice in the New Testament. Once in 2 Thes. 2
And what is 2 Thess 2 all about?
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2Th 2:2-3)
Do you know what it means?
and once in Acts 21:21. Part of a good hermeneutic is to look and see how words are used elsewhere in the bible. Unfortunately for you, apostasia is only used in one other place.
Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Paul was speaking to James who said that thousands of Jews believed and were zealous of the law. But James was informed by them that Paul was teaching them to forsake (Gr. apostasia to apostasize from) the law of Moses. This passage indicates that apostasy has nothing to do with a defection or abandonment of truth. In Acts 21:21 apostasia simply means to abandon (forsake) the law of Moses and accept the new covenant under Christ.
Your reference: "to forsake Moses" This was untrue. Paul allowed the Jewish believers to maintain all their peculiarities of worship. Though he taught that the Law could not be assumed grounds for justification before God, and that Gentile believers should not have the ritual obligations of the Law forced upon them. Nevertheless, Paul taught that the Law was good (1Ti 1:8-9; Rom 7:12), being the divine Will expressed in times past to the nation. He often reasoned from the basis of the Law (cp. 1Co 9:9; 1Ti 5:18). The use of the Law was legitimate in the context of illustrating the hopeless state of man, and the will of God revealed in types and shadows; it was thus a "schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" (Gal 3:24), and in that role was an excellent instructor in spiritual things. But the Law itself was not the saviour from sin; that was to be found only in the Son of God himself.
But in terms of the word and its use the context is correct, if it had been true. The word "forsake" is from the Gr. apostasia, to apostate; to defect.
Your Christian hope is a defection from the true hope which was taught by Paul and the Apostles during the first century.
What is interesting about the RCC is their incessant need for apostolic succession which in this regard backfires, for when it will be shown them they held at some time, a truth undefiled and unpolluted, but for their many councils, how will they respond? With anger? What will they do to the Lord Jesus Christ when he returns? Will they shout Crucify, Crucify, Crucify him!
Will you be amidst such a crowd?
From your below response it would appear so.
My Catholic Church isn't evil but you (and Brother Tom and a few others) are for your false accusations by demonizing the Church and attributing evil to a Church of God! That's just what the devil wants you to do and that's the way he wants it! Your in the center of his will. Your screen name doesn't jive with your false accusations. Your mentors as well as Satan have you well deceived.
The accusations are only self-incriminatory on the churches part.
Out of their own mouths they condemn themselves when they admit to designing and formulating doctrine to their own hurt and then claim papal infallibility.
The Apostate Church is Christian.
Have you considered the teaching of Revelation 13:11?
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Rev 13:11)
"And he had two horns like a lamb" Two horns represent two aspects of power: one religious (the Pope); the other military (the Emperor). The organisation they jointly established looked "like a lamb" because it claimed to be Christian in character: it was known as the Holy Roman Empire.
But how did it speak is the essential question?
"And he spake as a dragon"
This revealed the true character of this beast. The "dragon" is the symbol of paganised military Imperialism. The so-called Holy Roman Empire on the Imperialistic ambitions of Charlemagne which were similar to the military ambitions of the Emperor of Constantinople.
Surely you know your history?
It's foolish to ask such a question because it's absolutely clear that the apostasy of 2 Thes. 2 is an eschatological event that has nothing to do with a falling away or defection from truth!
Nothing you say? Hah! Denial is a marvellous attribute as it leaves one totally ignorant of truth and void of any responsibility to do anything but stick one head in the earth - a spiritual ostrich.
Neither is it an ongoing apostasy because 2Thes. 2 is a prophetic passage which time is just prior to the harpazo (gathering) and the Day of the Lord. Apostasy, and the evils attributed to it, involve the followers of the man of sin. Between the word except in verse 3 of 2Thes.2 and the words "But we" (Christian's) in verse 13 indicates that the Church has nothing to do with this apostasy.
No ongoing apostasy? But one in the latter day?
Are you speaking of verse 2?
....shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us,5 to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here!
And doubtless the deception had already begun.
A healthy study of Titus will clear this up for you.
The attack was coming in on all fronts but who had the victory?
The Holy Roman Catholic Body arose out of all the Judaistic fragments to finally give birth to Catholicism.
But do not fear...this whole mess will be cleaned up when the sword protrudes from his mouth and many will perish in that day.
Now answer my question...
Show me where Christian's are implied to be a part of the apostasy?
Well, we have clearly demonstrated Judaism was the Apostasy of Christs (Apostle Pauls) day, not that a few did not uphold truth in their midst, as we know many were searching for the Christ and found him, but needless to say, you cannot argue against Judaism being the apostasy in Israel. Paul spoke of as having crept in unawares and those who had nothing to add to the Gospel - the men of Acts 15:1 apposed the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
In what state will Christianity be when the Master return's?
As already shown she will be a wh_re.
She will have the appearance of a lamb but speak like a dragon.
She has given birth to an illegitimate child because she prostituted herself with the kings of the earth.
She is titled "A mother of harlots" and Christianity is her many daughters...though some a sincere in their faith few will hold the true Gospel as taught 2000 years ago.
While there is a great deal of Scriptural evidence for a Christian apostasy I perceive all of it would be ignored.
The RCC's doctrines and their development of the past 1800 years should be evidence enough. I mean, on one hand you have the ever growing atheist (also a form of Anti-Christ) movement in the U.S and Europe while on the other hand the insane traditions of Romish Priests, State-Church Clergies, and Dissenting Conventiclers, aggregately the Hierarchy of the Apostasy; each denouncing the other, and in past times murdering, and in different ways oppressing one another, but all claiming to be Christian ambassadors of Christ and successors of the Apostles, and the called and sent of God as Aaron was!
Madness Kaotic and you say with pride "I belong to this apostacy?" Not only boast in its history but also drink with the golden wine cup of the Roman Mother of Harlots? Who can be saved from those subject to the Strong Delusion of the lie sent upon them as a judicial infatuation by Him, because of their untruthfulness and unrighteousness? (2 Thess. 2:11,12)
Plenty of Scripture to warn you Kaotic - open both eyes and ears and pray for these things to be revealed to you.
Purity
