Jesus and Commands

101G · Oct 3, 2017

GodsGrace said:
This is in bible study because answers should be biblically based and I'd like to avoid personal comments since they add nothing to a discussion.

I hear many say that Jesus has come to abolish the law because we are no longer under the law. This comes from
Mathew 5:17

It seems to me that Jesus plainly states that He did NOT come to abolish the law.

So, the law is a set of commands that God has given us.
Did Jesus give us any commands that we are to follow?
If so, what are they?
If not, why not.

John 14:15 says:
"If you love Me, you will keep my commandments". (NASB)

WHAT COMMANDMENTS??

Addressing the OP. "I hear many say that Jesus has come to abolish the law because we are no longer under the law. This comes from". ERROR on them whoever said that. Mathew 5:17 is true. Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil". the key word here is "fulfil". understand the Law was fulfilled in Christ Jesus, not destroyed by him. listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers". see our "RIGHTEOUSNESS" is in Christ JESUS, the Righteous one, for he's the only one who was completely righteous in God sight. Romans 3:26 & 27 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith". the Law of FAITH is to BELIEVE. and we as believers in Christ are not subject to the Law, because of HIS righteousness. so is the law still in effect today, YES for those who are not in Christ Jesus. scripture, Romans 2:12 & 13 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified". and guess what, no man have keep the law, except the Lord Jesus. Romans 3:5 "But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?". good question, Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified). For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves".

so the Law is for the foolish who think they can keep the law. but that same law they try to keep, will meet them on JUDGMENT DAY. 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". that's why the law is not abolish, to judge those who was just mention, those not "IN" Christ Jesus.

mjrhealth · Oct 3, 2017

GodsGrace said:
I don't have an ignore list either.

What I meant is why is love so important?
Why do you list only the love commandments?
Jesus left many commandments --- why is love the most important one?

1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Couldnt put it any better.

twinc · Oct 3, 2017

mjrhealth said:
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Couldnt put it any better.

there is a saying "tell it to the Marines" tell 1Cor 13:8 to most Christians and especially those supposed inspired by the HS like Charismatics etc - twinc

GodsGrace · Oct 3, 2017

101G said:
Addressing the OP. "I hear many say that Jesus has come to abolish the law because we are no longer under the law. This comes from". ERROR on them whoever said that. Mathew 5:17 is true. Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil". the key word here is "fulfil". understand the Law was fulfilled in Christ Jesus, not destroyed by him. listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers". see our "RIGHTEOUSNESS" is in Christ JESUS, the Righteous one, for he's the only one who was completely righteous in God sight. Romans 3:26 & 27 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith". the Law of FAITH is to BELIEVE. and we as believers in Christ are not subject to the Law, because of HIS righteousness. so is the law still in effect today, YES for those who are not in Christ Jesus. scripture, Romans 2:12 & 13 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified". and guess what, no man have keep the law, except the Lord Jesus. Romans 3:5 "But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?". good question, Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified). For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves".

so the Law is for the foolish who think they can keep the law. but that same law they try to keep, will meet them on JUDGMENT DAY. 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". that's why the law is not abolish, to judge those who was just mention, those not "IN" Christ Jesus.

Good post 101 but I don't agree with it.
The Law is for everyone.
We are not judged by the law, you're right about this.
But did not God mean the law for everyone?

This is exactly what this thread is about.
Jesus speaks of leaving us commandments.

What commandments do you believe He was talking about?
If He mentioned them, then there must have been some, don't you think?

In Mathew 6:7 Jesus tells us how to pray.
Does this mean that He expects us to pray?
If He expects us to do something, is that a command?

It's my belief that Jesus left us with many commands.
He said that one must be born from above.
John 3:3,5

So, apparently, Jesus taught so that those who follow Him will be born from above, in spirit, and will thus be saved.

Then He went on to tell us many things that we should do.

Is that a SHOULD
or is that a MUST?

If God is doing the asking, isn't it a command?

GodsGrace · Oct 3, 2017

mjrhealth said:
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Couldnt put it any better.

mj

Reread your verses.

I do believe these are commands:

1 Co 13:3 I must love first or nothing is worth anything. But then I must also feed the poor.

13:4 Be patient, be kind, don't envy, don't brag about yourself.

13:5 Act in a respectful manner, don't be egotistical, do not get angry,
do not think evil or do evil.

13:6 Don't rejoice when other's sin or are bad off

13:7 Bear your burdens without complaining, trust in God

Do you agree?

mjrhealth · Oct 3, 2017

GodsGrace said:
mj

Reread your verses.

I do believe these are commands:

1 Co 13:3 I must love first or nothing is worth anything. But then I must also feed the poor.

13:4 Be patient, be kind, don't envy, don't brag about yourself.

13:5 Act in a respectful manner, don't be egotistical, do not get angry,
do not think evil or do evil.

13:6 Don't rejoice when other's sin or are bad off

13:7 Bear your burdens without complaining, trust in God

Do you agree?

Is that not what is says, where are you going with this ?

Oh I get it, no they are not "commands" they are the fruit of what love produces. I still get angry especially when dealing with technology, but what has that to do with Love. But I do agree that if it is not for Love it has no point.

GodsGrace · Oct 3, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Is that not what is says, where are you going with this ?

Oh I get it, no they are not "commands" they are the fruit of what love produces. I still get angry especially when dealing with technology, but what has that to do with Love. But I do agree that if it is not for Love it has no point.

OK.
Anyway, it's Paul saying this and not Jesus.

What about John 13:14-15
Wash one another's feet...
IOW, we are to serve each other and help each other.
Is that not a command?

Are you going to say that everything is a result of love.
OF COURSE. Jesus also commanded that we leave each other if we are His disciples.

Does love negate everything?
Or does it encourage everything?
Does it encourage our following His commands BECAUSE we love?

Do they then cease to be commands??

mjrhealth · Oct 3, 2017

GodsGrace said:
Do they then cease to be commands??

Now you are fishing, but than I saw this one coming, trying to justify your works.

There are those works of men, that they do, "trying" to please God, ie, going to church, helping out in the congregation, some even going overseas because teh "pastor" told them to go, mostly all just teh flesh, trying to look good in the eyes of man and God.

Than there is the work we are supposed to do, giving someone a drink when they need one, helping someone financially as required (this one can be tricky it leads to abuse at time and therefore not form God), these are things we are expected to do,

Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Than there is the works of God, these are teh works that follow "after" they dont go before just as Jesus put it,

Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Too much business in religion

101G · Oct 3, 2017

GodsGrace said:
The Law is for everyone.
We are not judged by the law, you're right about this.
But did not God mean the law for everyone?

GG, you must have missed my post, listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers".

understand now, the Law is not made for the righteous, for our righteousness is in Christ Jesus.

GodsGrace said:
This is exactly what this thread is about.
Jesus speaks of leaving us commandments.

LOVE is the commandment, 1 John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment". there they are.

Peace in Christ.

GodsGrace · Oct 4, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Now you are fishing, but than I saw this one coming, trying to justify your works.

There are those works of men, that they do, "trying" to please God, ie, going to church, helping out in the congregation, some even going overseas because teh "pastor" told them to go, mostly all just teh flesh, trying to look good in the eyes of man and God.

Than there is the work we are supposed to do, giving someone a drink when they need one, helping someone financially as required (this one can be tricky it leads to abuse at time and therefore not form God), these are things we are expected to do,

Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Than there is the works of God, these are teh works that follow "after" they dont go before just as Jesus put it,

Joh_5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Too much business in religion

I'm not "fishing".
I clearly stated my belief.

It is that Jesus left us with many commands.
When God says something it's not a suggestion...

I'm trying to understand why others don't see this.
What we do is done out of love...
THIS is the difference between the O.C. and the N.C.

The difference is not that the law has been abolished, but that we've been given a new way to keep it.

Not by being slaves and being "under the law",
but by being loving friends and wanting to keep the law.

Sometimes someone will say that we're under a different dispensation and we're not requiried to keep the law. This is incorrect. God is the same God He always was. He has not changed His mind.

He gave us the decalogue to show that we are sinners but He also gave it to teach the Israelites how to live since they had been in slavery for so long and forgotten how to live in a civil society.

Here are some teachings that Jesus gave.
If He teaches something, does it not become a command?
Are we not required to keep it?

Seek first the Kingdom of God. Put God first. Mathew 6:33
Forgive Mark 11:25
Deny yourself Mathew 16:24
Be pure Mathew 23:26
Bear good fruit Mathew 12:33
Be the salt Mark 9:50
Be baptized Mathew 3:13-15
Receive communion Luke 22:17-19
Take up your cross Luke 9:23
Pray always Luke 21:36
Let your light shine Mathew 5:16

so many more...
and
Keep my commandments John 14:15-17

mjrhealth · Oct 4, 2017

GodsGrace said:
I'm not "fishing".
I clearly stated my belief.

It is that Jesus left us with many commands.
When God says something it's not a suggestion...

I'm trying to understand why others don't see this.
What we do is done out of love...
THIS is the difference between the O.C. and the N.C.

The difference is not that the law has been abolished, but that we've been given a new way to keep it.

Not by being slaves and being "under the law",
but by being loving friends and wanting to keep the law.

Sometimes someone will say that we're under a different dispensation and we're not requiried to keep the law. This is incorrect. God is the same God He always was. He has not changed His mind.

He gave us the decalogue to show that we are sinners but He also gave it to teach the Israelites how to live since they had been in slavery for so long and forgotten how to live in a civil society.

Here are some teachings that Jesus gave.
If He teaches something, does it not become a command?
Are we not required to keep it?

Seek first the Kingdom of God. Put God first. Mathew 6:33
Forgive Mark 11:25
Deny yourself Mathew 16:24
Be pure Mathew 23:26
Bear good fruit Mathew 12:33
Be the salt Mark 9:50
Be baptized Mathew 3:13-15
Receive communion Luke 22:17-19
Take up your cross Luke 9:23
Pray always Luke 21:36
Let your light shine Mathew 5:16

so many more...
and
Keep my commandments John 14:15-17

So you have just lowered God to the status of man. God has never "demanded" which is what you are saying, anything form man. everything Jesus taught was in our best interest, if you do this things will bode well for you. It is not a command, All Jesus ever wanted us was,

Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Now if we really want to please God, than believe Him, that is teh best you can do, Faith without it, teh rest is pointless.

GodsGrace said:
The difference is not that the law has been abolished, but that we've been given a new way to k

I guess you really dont understand, are you a really really bad person, do you really need laws to live by, because that is what laws and rules are made for. you asked about love, well if you are walking in love than why would you murder someone, steal anothers husband, despise God, etc etc. Love doesnt need laws teh lawless do.

Stranger · Oct 4, 2017

GodsGrace said:
You say that we can do good deeds in the flesh but they avail us nothing.
It must be as a result of abiding in Christ and the outflow of the Holy Spirit.

OK.
I believe everyone on these forum is Christian.
So how does what you said have meaning for us? Saved persons...

What ARE deeds in the flesh?
Are there also deeds in the spirit?

Would what you're speaking of refer to:

1 Corinthians 10:31-33New American Standard Bible (NASB)
31 Whether, then, you eat or drink or A)">whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 B)">Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to C)">the church of God; 33 just as I also D)">please all men in all things, E)">not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, F)">so that they may be saved.

And in the very next verse, Paul says:

1 Corinthians 11:1New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Christian Order
11 A)">Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

How does Paul mean for us to be imitators of him?

I myself don't assume everyone on this forum is Christian. Just like in a church, you will have people on a forum that are not. I certainly believe you and many others here are. But I wouldn't say all.

The works of the flesh are anything done in the flesh. Anything you do that is motivated by the flesh, not the Spirit. Paul gives a list in (Gal. 5:19-21).

The product of the Spirit is called fruit, as opposed to works. And Paul gives a list also. (Gal. 5:22-25)

The key to producing the fruit of the Spirit, is walking in the Spirit. (Gal. 5:25) "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

Now, I could just as easily make a law out of walking in the Spirit. How? By attempting to produce the fruit of the Spirit by the flesh. We don't produce the fruits of the Spirit by doing them. We produce them only by walking in the Spirit.

A very convicting question. I think our imitation of Paul should be his total desire to know Jesus Christ. His total desire to be like Jesus Christ. His total desire to be doing the will of Christ and the Father.

Stranger

GodsGrace · Oct 4, 2017

101G said:
GG, you must have missed my post, listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers".

101
We can't just pick out the verse we like and avoid all the others.
Many do this. You left out the verse just before 9...
1 Timothy 1:8
"But we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully"
NASB

So what does 1 Timothy 1:8-11 mean?
The law is good because it must be given...men must know what the law is. To just say that we're to love is great, but it works for us because we're already familiar with the law. If you said it to someone who never read the bible or knows anything, it would just mean not to harm the person. It give you the NEGATIVE, but it wouldn't give you any of the POSITIVES. Like, for instance, giving water to the thirsty.

So it's important that we know what love is, and this is taught through the law. Jesus DID NOT ONLY say to love each other, He also taught us HOW.

If you live in a good manner, the law is not really for you.
It's really for those who do not know how to live or live irresponsibly.
Living without responsibility means defying authority, truth, God, etc.
These people do not UNDERSTAND the great message of the gospel.

understand now, the Law is not made for the righteous, for our righteousness is in Christ Jesus.

The law is made for everyone to follow. It's just that the righteous in God follow it naturally. But this only works because we KNOW what we are to do and not to do. When one becomes a new Christian, he may not know everything and may have to learn.

You're correct that our righteousness is in Christ. It's impossible for man to be righteous by his own efforts because God is perfect.

LOVE is the commandment, 1 John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment". there they are.

Peace in Christ.

1 John 3:23 is the same as John 6:29
I ask you the same question I ask many and do not receive an answer because it doesn't suit those who believe as you do....
WHAT does the word BELIEVE mean?
What does it mean when John says we are to believe in the one whom God has sent?

I'd also like to post Romans 7:12-13
Paul says that the law is holy.
How could it not be?
God, who IS holiness, gave it.

Romans 7:12-13 NASB

12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

GodsGrace · Oct 4, 2017

mjrhealth said:
So you have just lowered God to the status of man. God has never "demanded" which is what you are saying, anything form man. everything Jesus taught was in our best interest, if you do this things will bode well for you. It is not a command, All Jesus ever wanted us was,

Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Now if we really want to please God, than believe Him, that is teh best you can do, Faith without it, teh rest is pointless.

I guess you really dont understand, are you a really really bad person, do you really need laws to live by, because that is what laws and rules are made for. you asked about love, well if you are walking in love than why would you murder someone, steal anothers husband, despise God, etc etc. Love doesnt need laws teh lawless do.

See my post no. 33
I'd be repeating if I answered this...

God doesn't ask
God doesn't request
God doesn't suggest
God DEMANDS.
I'm sorry if you don't like this word.

I would say, however, that it's YOU who have lowered God to man's level.

MAN may not be able to demand.
But GOD certainly does.

God places before us LIFE and DEATH.
He does NOT suggest.
Deuteronomy 30: 15,19

Life and death are at stake.
Heaven and hell are at stake.

I also ask You:
What does believe mean in the New Testament?

GodsGrace · Oct 4, 2017

Stranger said:
I myself don't assume everyone on this forum is Christian. Just like in a church, you will have people on a forum that are not. I certainly believe you and many others here are. But I wouldn't say all.

The works of the flesh are anything done in the flesh. Anything you do that is motivated by the flesh, not the Spirit. Paul gives a list in (Gal. 5:19-21).

The product of the Spirit is called fruit, as opposed to works. And Paul gives a list also. (Gal. 5:22-25)

The key to producing the fruit of the Spirit, is walking in the Spirit. (Gal. 5:25) "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

Now, I could just as easily make a law out of walking in the Spirit. How? By attempting to produce the fruit of the Spirit by the flesh. We don't produce the fruits of the Spirit by doing them. We produce them only by walking in the Spirit.

A very convicting question. I think our imitation of Paul should be his total desire to know Jesus Christ. His total desire to be like Jesus Christ. His total desire to be doing the will of Christ and the Father.

Stranger

So, isn't doing the will of the Father a work?
Isn't it a good deed?
Isn't it a fruit?

If we're DOING something, what's the difference as to what it's called?
If I said "good deeds" would that mean something different to you?

I truly misunderstand you.
You post Galatians 5:19-21
What does this have to do with works??
Here he's listing what we're NOT supposed to do.

Do you understand works to be what we're NOT supposed to do??
Works are what you do FOR GOD.
It's the good things you do and that you do because you love God and live for Him.

I always made dinner for my family.
After I met Jesus I was MORE HAPPY to make it. It seemed I was doing it for Him. We are called to do good deeds!

The bible even says this:

Colossians 3:17
"And whatever you do, in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father."
NASB

Stranger · Oct 4, 2017

GodsGrace said:
So, isn't doing the will of the Father a work?
Isn't it a good deed?
Isn't it a fruit?

If we're DOING something, what's the difference as to what it's called?
If I said "good deeds" would that mean something different to you?

I truly misunderstand you.
You post Galatians 5:19-21
What does this have to do with works??
Here he's listing what we're NOT supposed to do.

Do you understand works to be what we're NOT supposed to do??
Works are what you do FOR GOD.
It's the good things you do and that you do because you love God and live for Him.

I always made dinner for my family.
After I met Jesus I was MORE HAPPY to make it. It seemed I was doing it for Him. We are called to do good deeds!

The bible even says this:

Colossians 3:17
"And whatever you do, in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father."
NASB

Well, the difference is, I believe, why you are doing it. And, is the motive of the flesh or Spirit?

Concerning (Gal. 5:19-21), I was responding to your questions of what are the deeds of the flesh. Indeed, we are not supposed to do them. But here again, just like we don't produce the fruit of the Spirit by doing the fruits of the Spirit, neither do we 'not' do the works of the flesh by just not doing them. We don't do the works of the flesh by walking in the Spirit also. (Gal. 5:16) "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."

Yes I believe your happiness in making dinner for your family is a product of the Spirit. With us as believers, we have works of the flesh and fruit of the Spirit. Again, the question always comes down to which is the motivator. For example: I see an old woman trying to cross the street with some baggage and she definitely needs some help and no one seems to want to help her. I decide this is a chance to do a good deed, and it will look good in front of everyone. So I do it and am thanked for it. That is a work of the flesh. Or, I see the woman, and say in my heart, this poor woman needs some help, I am going to help her. So I do, and am thanked for it. That is a fruit of the Spirit.

I realize the example is a poor one, but my main point of it is that the same exact thing can be done, but one is a work of the Spirit, and one is a work of the flesh.

And, understand, I am not saying that I think you are walking in the flesh because of your view of law and works. I think you walk in the flesh and the Spirit as much as anyone here. For example I don't believe the Romanists view of being born-again is the same as the Protestants. But I firmly believe that many of them are born-again as they placed faith in Jesus Christ.

Consider this: Does God keep the Law?

Stranger

101G · Oct 4, 2017

GodsGrace said:
You left out the verse just before 9...
1 Timothy 1:8
"But we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully"

@GG, there is nothing wrong with the law, it man who try to use it. have you not read, Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one". he was speaking to people who had the LAW. understand GG, Galatians 3:24 & 25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster". understand now? all the OT law keeper had to wait for the Lord Jesus, you can't make yourself right with God on your own merit. you need sinless blood to make the atonement. which none of us had, for we all was under SIN. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". if you try to keep the Law you'll come up short every time. Please read Galatians 3:24 & 25 again, it makes it so plain.

but if you prefer to try in keep the law, keep on reading after verse 9...... (smile). 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, (got to put that one in red), for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine". (got to put that one also in red).

Peace in Christ Jesus.

mjrhealth · Oct 4, 2017

GodsGrace said:
God DEMANDS.

No He does not, a command is not a demandbut for those who need to prove themselves I guess it needs to be that way.

GodsGrace said:
Works are what you do FOR GOD.

No works are what men do because they seek approval, because they cannot accept teh fact that we are approved because of what Jesus did, and they love to boast, "look at me God look at what I did". and so they glorify themselves and not Jesus.

bbyrd009 · Oct 4, 2017

101G said:
understand now, the Law is not made for the righteous, for our righteousness is in Christ Jesus.

ego if you are still struggling with the rudiments of the law, and struggling with breaking commandments, then don't worry, you are not righteous yet, regardless of any professions, which i don't mean to denigrate or belittle either. Good intentions are not bad, until they become empty beliefs, as any child can witness.

bbyrd009 · Oct 4, 2017

Stranger said:
A very convicting question. I think our imitation of Paul should be his total desire to know Jesus Christ. His total desire to be like Jesus Christ. His total desire to be doing the will of Christ and the Father.

amen! Lemme know when you have become a pariah in your community, and you are homeless and wanted by the authorities, all because you walked away from your cushy life, etc.

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