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Dave L

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So answer the question...

You have already shown that you believe the best verses about yourself and the worst possible verses about others.

But let's hear you contradict Jesus directly...If you were honest you would discount Jesus....as you already do anyway. You just won't admit it.
“Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.” (Psalm 51:5)

“The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.” (Psalm 58:3)
 
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Episkopos

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Did children die in the flood outside of the Ark? If there were children and theirs is the kingdom … meaning literal children and not converted children of God as one must be born of water and Spirit, then why were they not in the Ark?


Why do you lack faith that God is the God of the living? Why do you think a physical death is the end of life?

Are you only a physical being? Is that the issue?
 
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Why do you lack faith that God is the God of the living? Why do you think a physical death is the end of life?

Are you only a physical being? Is that the issue?
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” (John 6:37)

How can those who die before coming to Christ possibly know salvation if all whom the Father gives to Jesus come to him?
 
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Why do you lack faith that God is the God of the living? Why do you think a physical death is the end of life?

Are you only a physical being? Is that the issue?

No. I want to know why it is easier for man to believe a God of Mercy condemned all those drowning without the Ark without ever offering the same gift we have been offered. Man says God did offer it. But ONLY eight souls were saved by water. Why can man not even consider they had no baptism of fire and one must be born of water and fire to enter into God. It is easy to believe a God of mercy condemned all those that had seen no way yet, then ever consider Christ proclaimed victory over death to them held captive in prison.
 

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No. I want to know why it is easier for man to believe a God of Mercy condemned all those drowning without the Ark without ever offering the same gift we have been offered. Man says God did offer it. But ONLY eight souls were saved by water. Why can man not even consider they had no baptism of fire and one must be born of water and fire to enter into God. It is easy to believe a God of mercy condemned all those that had seen no way yet, then ever consider Christ proclaimed victory over death to them held captive in prison.

Are you questioning God? How long have you been a believer? Are you being influenced to the dark side by Dave L?
 
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No. I want to know why it is easier for man to believe a God of Mercy condemned all those drowning without the Ark without ever offering the same gift we have been offered. Man says God did offer it. But ONLY eight souls were saved by water. Why can man not even consider they had no baptism of fire and one must be born of water and fire to enter into God. It is easy to believe a God of mercy condemned all those that had seen no way yet, then ever consider Christ proclaimed victory over death to them held captive in prison.
But, God's elect were redeemed before the foundation of the world. And being justified by Christ's blood, none would ever go to hell.
 
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That makes no sense sir...innocent does not mean righteous. Innocent (or below the age of accountability) also does not mean immortal...

a 3 year old may clobber and bite another 3 year old. He is still not old enough to be thrown in prison for it. Are the courts of men now more merciful than the court of God?

how is it that you have come by this picture of a merciless God?
 
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That makes no sense sir...innocent does not mean righteous. Innocent (or below the age of accountability) also does not mean immortal...

a 3 year old may clobber and bite another 3 year old. He is still not old enough to be thrown in prison for it. Are the courts of men now more merciful than the court of God?

how is it that you have come by this picture of a merciless God?
“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.” (Romans 5:19)

The wages of sin is death and babies die. Is God unjust?
 
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That makes no sense sir...innocent does not mean righteous. Innocent (or below the age of accountability) also does not mean immortal...

a 3 year old may clobber and bite another 3 year old. He is still not old enough to be thrown in prison for it. Are the courts of men now more merciful than the court of God?

how is it that you have come by this picture of a merciless God?


VIJ is a she....if you meant her outrageous post a few posts up...
 

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not as long as you.


I never question the judgment of God. He can make things right by going back and forth in time forever if it was possible for Him to make a mistake....which He can't.

This is a basic building block to a relationship with God. Trust.

Lean not on your understanding. Be careful who you listen to here. Abide in the words of Jesus...

1 Tim 6:3 If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions,



...and a very pessimistic outlook.
 

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This has become too ridiculous to comprehend. David said he knew he would see his baby again. Should we assume that you know where David was confused and strike the verse out so it will not mislead any more grieving parents or give them false hope?
 
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This has become too ridiculous to comprehend. David said he knew he would see his baby again. Should we assume that you know where David was confused and strike the verse out so it will not mislead any more grieving parents or give them false hope?


What baby? I don't understand your question.

I asked him to compare his doctrine to what Jesus said.....and he won't do it. And he denigrates all others as evil who are not like him. So I'm done with that.
 

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if you got a nice way to tell him how pridefully ignorant he is i am all ears ok,
bc Scripture does not work for him
heck i am ignorant of lots of things, therefore i don't go into forums and state them as if they were truth lol

I guess we are a mixed bag here.
For the most part I find I always agree with his posts.

But then again..."for the most part" I agree with yours :D
 
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Jesus Christ is real. As such we can actually go to Him just like we read in the bible. When we do this...miraculous things happen.

But what I say many believers settling for is a scheme that is made from badly interpreted verses....that avoid an encounter with Jesus.

They call this kind of real encounter... "works".

But why nit-pick Jesus, ...Christ. Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus. o_O
Why muddy the water?

Jesus IS the Anointed One...which is what Christ means...anointed one. Paul spoke of "CHRIST in you...he didn't say " Jesus in you".

I guess I don't understand ...where you are going with this...
 
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stunnedbygrace

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What baby? I don't understand your question.

I asked him to compare his doctrine to what Jesus said.....and he won't do it. And he denigrates all others as evil who are not like him. So I'm done with that.
You cannot see his post about babies and the ark. Sorry for the confusion but I am answering posts you are not seeing.
 
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“For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.” (Romans 5:19)

The wa ges of sin is death and babies die. Is God unjust?

the wages of sin is death and belie vers die too? Is God unjust?