Perceiving the Kingdom of God

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How do we who are born again interact with the Kingdom of God now and what does it mean to truly see it? To myself, I interpret this experientially as well as symbolically. I think of the interactions of the members of Christ's body working in unison to nourish and strengthen one another in Love. One may bring comfort or edify or counsel or mend relationships or speak truth, another may provide food and drink, another may help by donating money or items or labour to a church cause, another may provide transportation, go on mission, hand out tracts, or just be a pleasant beacon of charity and represent Christ to the rest of the world.

Does this cooperation constitute how the Kingdom of God operates in heaven?

Ephesians 2:21-22 ...In [Christ] the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:15-16 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

Luke 17:20-21 When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

The above passage makes me think that the Kingdom is something that people enter by the leading of the Spirit which is granted on an individual basis. If the Kingdom is in our midst, as Jesus says, then it stands to reason that we may enter into and experience the joys of it before dying here on earth.

John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

How does one perceive the Kingdom of God while sojourning here on earth as a new creation in Christ? Does clothing ourselves with Christ mean that the Kingdom is now within us? Since Jesus is Love incarnate can it be said that Jesus is also the Kingdom of God incarnate?

1 John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

If the default state of our hearts is that of static love, are we then abiding in the Kingdom of God?

Luke 10:9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

Coming near to the Kingdom is connected with healing of the sick; cleansing, washing, renewal. Can it be said that miracle working is a demonstration of the power of the Kingdom? When miracles are worked, can it be said that the Kingdom has come down to earth in an observable way?

Mark 1:15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

Does one enter the Kingdom through repentance and good works through the Spirit? Is it okay for us to come near to the Kingdom in this life or must we enter in during this life if we are to obtain salvation in the next?

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I with them.

Do we enter in briefly in prayer and then return to the world after our prayers have finished?


Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm just in a state of awe at the splendor of His majesty right now :D
 

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How do we who are born again interact with the Kingdom of God now and what does it mean to truly see it? To myself, I interpret this experientially as well as symbolically. I think of the interactions of the members of Christ's body working in unison to nourish and strengthen one another in Love. One may bring comfort or edify or counsel or mend relationships or speak truth, another may provide food and drink, another may help by donating money or items or labour to a church cause, another may provide transportation, go on mission, hand out tracts, or just be a pleasant beacon of charity and represent Christ to the rest of the world.

Does this cooperation constitute how the Kingdom of God operates in heaven?

Ephesians 2:21-22 ...In [Christ] the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:15-16 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

Luke 17:20-21 When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

The above passage makes me think that the Kingdom is something that people enter by the leading of the Spirit which is granted on an individual basis. If the Kingdom is in our midst, as Jesus says, then it stands to reason that we may enter into and experience the joys of it before dying here on earth.

John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

How does one perceive the Kingdom of God while sojourning here on earth as a new creation in Christ? Does clothing ourselves with Christ mean that the Kingdom is now within us? Since Jesus is Love incarnate can it be said that Jesus is also the Kingdom of God incarnate?

1 John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

If the default state of our hearts is that of static love, are we then abiding in the Kingdom of God?

Luke 10:9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

Coming near to the Kingdom is connected with healing of the sick; cleansing, washing, renewal. Can it be said that miracle working is a demonstration of the power of the Kingdom? When miracles are worked, can it be said that the Kingdom has come down to earth in an observable way?

Mark 1:15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

Does one enter the Kingdom through repentance and good works through the Spirit? Is it okay for us to come near to the Kingdom in this life or must we enter in during this life if we are to obtain salvation in the next?

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I with them.

Do we enter in briefly in prayer and then return to the world after our prayers have finished?


Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm just in a state of awe at the splendor of His majesty right now :D
Great verses there; it's good to see the believer's blessings today with specific relation to the church, as Ephesians brings out most wonderfully.
 
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Does this cooperation constitute how the Kingdom of God operates in heaven?

Absolutely! In this world not everyone has the same faculties. But as we do all things as unto the Lord...we move closer to the kingdom together. I have not experienced yet the corporate walk in the Spirit. The kingdom of God is usually a lonely place....albeit glorious.
The above passage makes me think that the Kingdom is something that people enter by the leading of the Spirit which is granted on an individual basis. If the Kingdom is in our midst, as Jesus says, then it stands to reason that we may enter into and experience the joys of it before dying here on earth.

The kingdom walk is in the spiritual realm. It is eternal life. We usually enter in on an individual basis...but in a revival many can enter in together. This is something to strive for....if not just the individual entrance.
How does one perceive the Kingdom of God while sojourning here on earth as a new creation in Christ? Does clothing ourselves with Christ mean that the Kingdom is now within us? Since Jesus is Love incarnate can it be said that Jesus is also the Kingdom of God incarnate?

We put on Christ...or enter into Christ. That is how we penetrate into the kingdom life. When we are surrounded with His life and light...this draws the life out of us...the Christ in us...so that His life takes over. Otherwise there is a potential in the "Christ in us" that goes unrealized. The seed of Christ in us has a husk around it. When the death of Jesus is brought to it...the husk opens up and His life flows out of us. But we need the proper environment for this power to do this....that is until we are mature. So we need to enter into a kingdom place to draw this life in us out....in
Zion.

But we must taste the death of the cross of Christ before this can happen.

Coming near to the Kingdom is connected with healing of the sick; cleansing, washing, renewal. Can it be said that miracle working is a demonstration of the power of the Kingdom? When miracles are worked, can it be said that the Kingdom has come down to earth in an observable way?


I would say that the power of the Spirit shows...or is meant to show...the LIFE that produces it. So unless we want to be just looking for amusement...we need to seek out the life that produces the miracles...and not the miracles themselves.
Does one enter the Kingdom through repentance and good works through the Spirit? Is it okay for us to come near to the Kingdom in this life or must we enter in during this life if we are to obtain salvation in the next?

We enter in by going to the cross...offering ourselves up as a living sacrifice. When God accepts our sacrifice...His fire comes down and we enter into the Spirit.

We should at least try to draw near...as only a few will be able to enter into the kingdom life now. That doesn't mean that a person is "saved" or not by entering in or not. We will be graded on a curve. To whom much is given, more is required.

A person who walks according to the Spirit and grows into the likeness of Christ....will rule and reign with Christ over the nations...not just be "saved."

So then run the race with all faith and hope. The seed that is in you...Christ...is the HOPE of glory. Not the glory itself. So then use that motivation to seek the face of God. Look for inspection, visitation, and acceptation from God. Those He fully approves of are translated into the kingdom by the Spirit to walk as Jesus walked...as long as their eyes are on the Lord.

Run to win!

Peace to you.
 

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We should at least try to draw near

Strive to make your calling and election sure.

So then run the race with all faith and hope. The seed that is in you...Christ...is the HOPE of glory. Not the glory itself. So then use that motivation to seek the face of God. Look for inspection, visitation, and acceptation from God. Those He fully approves of are translated into the kingdom by the Spirit to walk as Jesus walked...as long as their eyes are on the Lord.

Thanks for your insightful post.
 
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Does one enter the Kingdom through repentance and good works through the Spirit
JOHN 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
["water" here is a metaphor for the Word of God, the Gospel]

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
 
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The above passage makes me think that the Kingdom is something that people enter by the leading of the Spirit which is granted on an individual basis. If the Kingdom is in our midst, as Jesus says, then it stands to reason that we may enter into and experience the joys of it before dying here on earth.
Does one enter the Kingdom through repentance and good works through the Spirit? Is it okay for us to come near to the Kingdom in this life or must we enter in during this life if we are to obtain salvation in the next?

This is actually a rather deep question in that it has bearing on the doctrine of salvation. My personal take here is that one enters into the kingdom of God when he enters under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. It is a kingdom after all, and like any kingdom its citizens must abide by His rule or they will be cast out. And the way God provided for us to walk in obedience to His Lordship is through the Spirit.
How does one perceive the Kingdom of God while sojourning here on earth as a new creation in Christ?

Essentially the same answer. You perceive those who are members of kingdom by the obedience you observe. But I don't mean obedience to some outward law; this can be deceptive. I mean you perceive them as kindred spirits, often in the spirit about them and the way they act, hold themselves and express themselves. There is a Spirit about them that you readily gravitate towards and feel affinity with.

That's about the best way I know to answer this latter one.
 
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Some say there is a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven...I have flip flopped on that one.

We can see the Kingdom right now...we are well aware of the Kingdom...if it wasn't right now, then it would not say " Seek ye first the Kingdom ........and all these things will be added...."
God doesn't tease us with thing not available .

At Dothan Elijah knew lived in, and saw the kingdom...he sighed and asked God to- "open the young man's eyes that he may see.." And God opened the young mans eyes...and then he could see.
Plus in the NT we have the kingdom within us...greater, vaster, deeper and wider inwardly , are we inside than this outer tent.

We will yet have , and enter the full revelation of God's Kingdom when it fully comes. Lord, They Kingdom.. COME!!
 

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Some say there is a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven...I have flip flopped on that one.
When we compare the parables of the Kingdom in Matthew, Mark and Luke, we discover that Matthew says "Kingdom of Heaven" but Mark and Luke say "Kingdom of God". So essentially there's no difference, and they speak of the same thing. "Heaven" is God's throne (or where His throne is located) so the Kingdom of Heaven is the same as the Kingdom of God.

Now, while "the Kingdom of God is within you" applies to those who have been born of God, the Parables of the Kingdom actually portray Christendom -- the outward manifestation of the Kingdom. Which is a mixture of good and bad, righteous and unrighteous, saved and unsaved. We can take the Parable of the Sower as a good example. The various soils represent the hearts of various kinds of people, from unbelieving to believing and fruitful (at various levels).

However, after the second coming of Christ, there will be a literal, physical and spiritual, visible and tangible Kingdom of God on earth. At that time there will be universal and everlasting righteousness and peace on earth. This will also coincide with the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness".
 
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there will be a literal, physical and spiritual, visible and tangible Kingdom of God on earth. At that time there will be universal and everlasting righteousness and peace on earth. This will also coincide with the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness".

Hi there

But, how can you say that so confidently. There is so much that we do not KNOW. Why don't you write...IMHO etc etc?

Because there is going to be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth.
You can have no idea at all what either will be like...either spiritually or physically tangible? It is just a guess.

I agree with you on what you said about Kingdom. :)
 

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But, how can you say that so confidently.
If we can't be confident about what is revealed in Scripture, then we cannot be confident about anything. While we don't have every detail, we do have broad outlines regarding the future.
 

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If we can't be confident about what is revealed in Scripture, then we cannot be confident about anything. While we don't have every detail, we do have broad outlines regarding the future.

How can you speak so confidently about things God has NOT said clearly...things He has chosen not to reveal yet? Which in fact...is many things...we see through a glass darkly...we know, IN PART...

...at least you did say "we have a broad outline..." yes...VERY broad.
..that is why we still see, know and understand IN PART....
Just saying...
 

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Show me what you mean by "things God has NOT said clearly"?

Maybe you have no respect for Paul? ;)

13:12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

So NO...none of us KNOW as much as we credit ourselves to KNOW!!
You believe it to be so...but you do not 'know' so.
You have no idea whether the new earth will be spiritual or tangible.
It is just your 'best guess'. And, actually it would causes you to sound more credible when a person says- " This is what I believe..."

Just saying....you are far from alone in being one of them that speaks as if they have all their ducks in a row...and know all things...(..and better and clearer than Paul did!!!)
 
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You have no idea whether the new earth will be spiritual or tangible.
Do you have any idea what the Bible says about the New Earth? I have been quoting Scriptures all along, not simply stating opinions. So here is what God says about the New Earth, which is physical, and because it is ruled by Christ, totally righteous:They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. (Isa 65:17-19;25)

And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. (Isa 66:21-23)

For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody. (Isa 51:3)

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch [CHRIST] shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he [CHRIST] judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isa 11:1-12)
 
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