WHY ARE MANY OF US STILL HERE?

bbyrd009 said:

um, I guess that is in a diff context, pick this one up about here prolly, Galatians 4:25 Lexicon: Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

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Thank you. Consider He came to set the captives free, to open the door of those in prison(the bondwoman)...those under the captivity and bondage of sin and death. All found guilty by the mosaic law and condemned before God: which is good in sin becoming exceedingly sinful. The Mosaic law: the ministration of condemnation which Paul said when sin was revived sin “deceived me” the mosaic law showing light on his sin and by it “it slew me”.

What holds captive?
What is the prison of the bondwoman “Galatians 4:25 Lexicon: Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.”


Isaiah 61:1
[1] The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

“...to proclaim liberty(Christ) to the captive, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;”

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

be NOT deceived by sin: we All fall in the above list expect the children of the freewoman who has been set at Liberty by the Son. The good news.

Romans 7:9-13
[9] For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. [10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me . [12] Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [13] Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Romans 3:19-20
[19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

2 Corinthians 3:9
[9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ministration of condemnation showed sin to be exceedingly sinful. “The letter killeth” which Paul said He died(decreased) and Christ increased.

Revelation 13:9-10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

2 Corinthians 3:6
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

He that leads back into captivity of sin under the Mosiac law (the ministration of condemnation) shall go into the captivity of sin under the Mosiac law (the ministration of condemnation). he who kills with the sword must be killed with it.

What is the ministration of righteousness? The good news. Can those whom live by the gospel go before the altar of God and minister the good news of being set free from captivity and the bondage of sin and death by the Liberty of Christ? Can that which is barren conceive not chaff to be burned but fruit? Is that not the miracle? Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

Romans 7:23-25
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The children of God are no longer under the capitity of sin and death OR under the ministration of condemnation(the Mosiac Law. The children of God are to preach the good news of the ministration of righteousness (mercy)by the Son who took captivity(sin and death) captive. The children of God do not lead back into captivity and therefore themselves go back into captivity. The children of God weapons are spiritual:

2 Corinthians 10:4-6
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; [6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Do the children of God preach the good news of the ministration of condemnation, of captivity to the bondage of sin and death?


Or do we preach the good news of the ministration of righteousness: 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is , there is liberty.

Romans 8:1
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I’m sorry. Realize that is a lot and to be honest, not necessarily to you. People come here every day and confess they see God as only condemnation and they have never felt His love. They admit they do not understand why we follow such a condemning God and why we are so condemning. the first thing we do is attack and condemn...under the ministration of condemnation. Do we really want to lead INTO captivity to the mosaic law ....or lead into the captivity of Christ whom we serve in Spirit.

Where is the good news?

VictoryinJesus said:

The letter killeth” which Paul said He died(decreased) and Christ increased.

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God I hate iPads. Anyway, not sure about conflating these two, awesome stuff tho ty

VictoryinJesus said:

I’m sorry. Realize that is a lot and to be honest, not necessarily to you. People come here every day and confess they see God as only condemnation and they have never felt His love. They admit they do not understand why we follow such a condemning God and why we are so condemning. the first thing we do is attack and condemn...under the ministration of condemnation. Do we really want to lead INTO captivity to the mosaic law ....or lead into the captivity of Christ whom we serve in Spirit.


Where is the good news?

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ha no, great reflections imo. Um, as to where the good news is...Jews and Muslims alike do not suffer Christians too gladly for a pretty good reason I guess lol. IRL i mean

bbyrd009 said:

um, I guess that is in a diff context, pick this one up about here prolly, Galatians 4:25 Lexicon: Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
ya, those are not...prolly shouldn't be likened to the desolate in the other passage, but another witness here would be nice, maybe @amadeus will bail me out again

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The publicans and the harlots are according to most men [Christians?] the bad guys. Yet, it from among them more often are to be found the ones able to give it all up and enter in. I will repeat here a testimony really belonging to my wife which seems to fit the situation:

At one place where I attended church services regularly for a number of years the people regularly dressed for church in the best apparel they could, which usually meant long covering dresses and suits and ties. I believed (and still believe) in looking my best for God so I also wore a full suit and tie, but one experience brought clearly home to me that some people among them (among us) would take on an attitude against a visitor who didn't meet their expectations... the expectations of men.

One evening a middle-aged lady unknown to us came into our meeting wearing filthy threadbare clothing. She smelled very strongly of alcohol and other things that would have offended nearly anyone's nose. Yet, she really did come in with a repentant attitude. She walked up to the front of the congregation and knelt down at an altar to pray and ask for God's mercy, for God's help. The men in the congregation understandably did not approach her but it really bothered me that neither the pastor or nor any of the other ministers moved from their places. (I was not any kind of formal minister at the time.) In the background, but loud enough for many people including the praying lady to hear, one of the pastor's sons spoke the heavily sarcastic words, "Who lit up the cross over the church?"

Of all of the sisters present, only one, my wife, recognized the lady's need, walked up, knelt beside her and prayed with her while putting her arms around the woman who no one normally in their flesh would want to touch . When I saw my wife was alone, that not one other sister moved to join her, I got up and walked forward and stood behind my wife laying my on her and joined with them in prayer.

That was the beginning of the end of our stay in that assembly. God did lead us elsewhere.

Our new place also may contain hypocrites, but then who of us has never been a hypocrite? With God's help will we not decrease in our old selves and increase in Him? If we knowingly remain in our hypocrisy we are to be blamed and will receive our just reward, will we not?

"For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?" James 2:2-4

The few come from among the publicans and harlots rather than from among those well dressed in the eyes of men ["with a gold ring, in goodly apparel... wearing gay clothing"] Certainly when Jesus walked the streets of Jerusalem 2000 years ago there were more people of shabby dress than those wearing the equivalent for their of suits and ties.

Not wanting to pat my wife on the back too much but of those called in that assembly of her testimony which one would be among the chosen few?

"For many are called, but few are chosen." Matt 22:14

Phoneman777 said:

"Antinomianist" which means "one who is against the law of God"
Do you always characterize unwelcomed criticism as "emotional"? Because the two are not the same.
Is that what you characterize lucid, well communicated thought? Because the two are not necessarily the same.
Sorry, but the moment one starts mentioning "to be saved" in a discussion that is about "after we're saved", a shift has been made from "obligation" to "origination", which is an Antinomianist knee jerk reaction. You guys can't help yourselves. It's as if the Cognitive Dissonance starts really taking hold and the only brain response you guys can muster is to do that, so that comforting, reassuring claims of "but we're saved by grace!" can quiet a conscience awakening to the reality that it will NEVER be OK to break any of the Ten Commandments, both in the here and now and for all eternity.
If this isn't a most asinine twisted example of liberal theology...it is not those who keep God's law, it is those who break His law that "crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame", according to Paul.
If one believes that "in Christ" actually means "break any one of these least commandments and teach men so" then that one should expect to be called "least in the kingdom of heaven".
I've got unwelcome news for you: Isaiah, the one called the Gospel prophet b/c he wrote so much about Jesus, said, "(Jesus) will MAGNIFY the law and make it honorable." That's why "thou shalt not commit adultery and kill" became "do not lust and hate". If you think only Ten Commandments are bad, just wait till you find out how high and lofty the Spirit of the Law is.
More Jesuit inspired Dispensationalism nonsense. Ain't nobody ever been saved by keeping a law, killing a sacrifice, dumping out a drink offering, etc. Abraham isn't going to walk around bragging how he WORKED for his ticket to heaven while us New Covenant prima donnas got there on the roller skates of grace.

It's ALL by grace. They looked in faith forward to the Cross and we look in faith back to it.
Shame on you breaking the commandmetns of God and teaching men to do it, thinking you'll be regarded by those in heaven looking down to you as "great" when the entire universe knows what you're doing and teaching is exactly what made necessary Heaven's Commander to have to leave behind His glory and come down here to die an ignominious death on what should have been OUR Cross in the first place.
One who claims to love God but breaks any of the first table of stone "is a liar and the truth is not in him".
One who claims to love thy neighbor but breaks any of the second tables of stone "is a liar and the truth is not in him."

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You are not listening, but running on and on with your prejudices.

I did not say that breaking the Commandments was acceptable, just the opposite. However, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

On the contrary, what you are saying, is against scripture and against-Christ.

But...who did you think you were preaching to, people of the flesh, gentiles without a Shepherd? You fool - you are preaching to "Christ in us", acting as though you were preaching to those under Moses!

You are not.

bbyrd009 said:

ha no, great reflections imo. Um, as to where the good news is...Jews and Muslims alike do not suffer Christians too gladly for a pretty good reason I guess lol. IRL i mean

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That is why they are condemned already--for not believing in the Son of God. (John 3:18) But, faith in Jesus as the Messiah/Son of God is rapidly spreading in Israel and the Islamic world. Praise God! It is ultimately, the only hope for peace in the Middle East.

Phoneman777 said:

So, just call them the "Ten Suggestions" then, because that's exactly what you think they are, right?

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Again...you are not even paying attention. So, yes, you are making judgments without even having all the information.

If you had been paying attention, I referred to Christ. So then, your comment is to Christ...as if He kept "suggestions." As I said: this is against-Christ. Let me be perfectly clear...it is Anti-Christ.

Phoneman777 said:

What, that Christians are obligated to keep the Ten Commandments? Against Christ? The same Christ Who said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments"? The same Commandments repeatedly enjoined to Christianity in the NT?

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Christians were never given the Ten Commandments - they were [only] given to the house of Israel.

Yes, against-Christ.

But this you do, obviously because you do not know the difference between the law of sin and death, and that of Christ, which is to life.

Phoneman777 said:

No, I'm preaching to those who need to know what John says in 1 John 2:3-5 about what it means to be "in Christ" and what it means to "know Him":

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him."

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No one, except Jesus has or can keep the Ten Commandments. But you fail John's test by putting the burden of the law of sin and death upon those whom Christ set free from it, those who have passed from death to life. Your message is death, and you bring it to those who are walking in the light of Christ Jesus, to your own shame.

charity said:

Hello @bbyrd009,

The Lord's bodily presence was no longer with them, for He had ascended up into Heaven, to God's right hand. He was absent from them in that sense, though present with them in 'spirit'.

Does that help?
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Charity, did you change your mind?

Phoneman777 said:

I'm pretty sure the "law of sin" refers to the action of attempting to obtain salvation by works

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can you expand on this a bit? How did you connect the two? I can almost see it, kind of. Ty

Lady Crosstalk said:

That is why they are condemned already--for not believing in the Son of God. (John 3:18) But, faith in Jesus as the Messiah/Son of God is rapidly spreading in Israel and the Islamic world. Praise God! It is ultimately, the only hope for peace in the Middle East.

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No offense LC, but Christ is Spirit, and even our Scripture allows that they can be accepted too, ok.
I get why you say that but it is a trick that is being played on you to make you hate. Unless you have some personal grievance that you would like to share? Or I have a couple other exercises that would reveal your heart to yourself, but I guess generally speaking they are not pleasant to most...ppl.

I think you are (hopefully anyway) even breaking forum rules with that post, not that I'm interested in pursuing that. No Muslim or Jew for that matter has ever offended you, LC, right. Careful you don't find yourself fighting God

bbyrd009 said:

No offense LC, but Christ is Spirit, and even our Scripture allows that they can be accepted too, ok.
I get why you say that but it is a trick that is being played on you to make you hate. Unless you have some personal grievance that you would like to share? Or I have a couple other exercises that would reveal your heart to yourself, but I guess generally speaking they are not pleasant to most...ppl.

I think you are (hopefully anyway) even breaking forum rules with that post, not that I'm interested in pursuing that. No Muslim or Jew for that matter has ever offended you, LC, right. Careful you don't find yourself fighting God

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I hate no human being--but I do hate the lies of the enemy of our souls. You presume much.

Phoneman777 said:

Since when is asking a question "making judgments"? I asked you if you think the Ten Commandments are really Ten Suggestions. Perhaps it is your inflamed emotions that are confusing you?

Please let me be clear: the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament for Christians to keep. I can show you where every one is either explicitly or implicitly cited as the Christian's obligation.

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I am not confused. But it is obvious that you are confused about the law and commandments. But then because Christ has fulfilled the law, you insinuate that He preached keeping "suggestions", that somehow Christ has fulfilled all things for a few, but not for all.

But this you do because you obviously believe that the law and commandments given to the house of Israel was give also to the other fold (of the gentiles). It was not. You are wrong.

Phoneman777 said:

I'm pretty sure the "law of sin" refers to the action of attempting to obtain salvation by works and the "law of Christ" is to obtain it by faith.

There you go again, shifting the discussion from "Christian Obligation" to "Christian Origination", which I thought we both agreed was "salvation by grace of God through faith in the Cross, not works", right?

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This too is wrong. The law of sin and death was given only the house of Israel as and example of the judgement upon all flesh. But the law of Christ is not against the flesh, but for the spirit, and only for those born of the Spirit. Thus, you are wrongly applying what was meant for the flesh, to the spirit - whom is God: You are judging God, by judging His children.

Phoneman777 said:

So, you can't do all things through Christ which strengthens you?

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You misunderstand. That word does not pertain to those who have attained Christ, but only those who seek Him. Therefore, Paul also said, "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." But the one passage he spoke of the flesh and the other to the spirit. Yet you have made one of the passages a lie by mixing what pertains only to the flesh with that of the spirit. You mix darkness with light, against God, who has divided them.

Phoneman777 said:

I agree that anyone who hasn't made a full surrender to Christ cannot keep the Ten Commandments, because "the carnal mind is enmity with God. It is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

But, when one makes a full surrender, now then, victory over temptation is not only possible, but guaranteed.

You say you can't keep the Ten Commandments because you choose not to. If you loved Jesus as much as you love your grandchildren, you would. If you watched porn all day, and then you found out a gun was to the head of your grandchild and the next time you watched porn the trigger would be pulled, how hard would it be for you to stop watching porn? But Christ lays upon the Cross with nails pointed at His hands and feet looking at us with pleading eyes and we choose to indulge that sin anyway, right? Yes, if we haven't yet made a full surrender.

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"You can do nothing." How is it that now you speak against Christ to be preaching that not only can one keep what cannot be kept by any except Christ, but we must?

You have disregarded the whole word of God, mixed up every clear word, and preach darkness and death to the children of Light.

amadeus said:

The publicans and the harlots are according to most men [Christians?] the bad guys. Yet, it from among them more often are to be found the ones able to give it all up and enter in. I will repeat here a testimony really belonging to my wife which seems to fit the situation:

At one place where I attended church services regularly for a number of years the people regularly dressed for church in the best apparel they could, which usually meant long covering dresses and suits and ties. I believed (and still believe) in looking my best for God so I also wore a full suit and tie, but one experience brought clearly home to me that some people among them (among us) would take on an attitude against a visitor who didn't meet their expectations... the expectations of men.

One evening a middle-aged lady unknown to us came into our meeting wearing filthy threadbare clothing. She smelled very strongly of alcohol and other things that would have offended nearly anyone's nose. Yet, she really did come in with a repentant attitude. She walked up to the front of the congregation and knelt down at an altar to pray and ask for God's mercy, for God's help. The men in the congregation understandably did not approach her but it really bothered me that neither the pastor or nor any of the other ministers moved from their places. (I was not any kind of formal minister at the time.) In the background, but loud enough for many people including the praying lady to hear, one of the pastor's sons spoke the heavily sarcastic words, "Who lit up the cross over the church?"

Of all of the sisters present, only one, my wife, recognized the lady's need, walked up, knelt beside her and prayed with her while putting her arms around the woman who no one normally in their flesh would want to touch . When I saw my wife was alone, that not one other sister moved to join her, I got up and walked forward and stood behind my wife laying my on her and joined with them in prayer.

That was the beginning of the end of our stay in that assembly. God did lead us elsewhere.

Our new place also may contain hypocrites, but then who of us has never been a hypocrite? With God's help will we not decrease in our old selves and increase in Him? If we knowingly remain in our hypocrisy we are to be blamed and will receive our just reward, will we not?

"For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?" James 2:2-4

The few come from among the publicans and harlots rather than from among those well dressed in the eyes of men ["with a gold ring, in goodly apparel... wearing gay clothing"] Certainly when Jesus walked the streets of Jerusalem 2000 years ago there were more people of shabby dress than those wearing the equivalent for their of suits and ties.

Not wanting to pat my wife on the back too much but of those called in that assembly of her testimony which one would be among the chosen few?

"For many are called, but few are chosen." Matt 22:14

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So many in the church are overdressed beggars.

Enoch111 said:

The Jews, or more specifically those from the 12 tribes of Israel, are a Semitic *race* (ethnic group) descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. Their nation was called Israel because of their ancestor Jacob/Israel. They were all Hebrews descended from Eber. There is no getting around this FACT.

Their religion was that which was under the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses), which included the tabernacle and the temple. Israel was meant to be a theocracy, but because they wanted a human king, they got him (Saul), and subsequently Israel split into the Northern Kingdom (kingdom of Israel) and the Souther Kingdom (the kingdom of Judah). Jesus of Nazareth was the King-Messiah of Israel, a Hebrew of the Hebrews

This simply means that there is only ONE HUMAN RACE, with many ethnic groups called *races* (rightly or wrongly). Which also means that racism is evil, because God views all of humanity as simply two groups -- the saved and the lost. During the Church age, the Jews are not being treated by God as a separate entity, but Anti-Semitism is also evil.

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Racism is evil ? I don't see any commandment pointing such out, not to mention what do you mean by racism ? Racial prejudice is just a moronic uneducated point of view, but racism could be only that one knows the differences of such peoples and may have respect for such or not in some regards, so nothing is evil about the truth you know.

Anti-Semitism is another great con job that has been created by Satanist working to twist the truth of the subject, making a dictated judgment on all who point such out as a Joke ! it's a work of Satan a total con game and I will point it out in fact, that the Semitic race is in fact mostly Islamic Arabs by far, it's more like 90% are Arabs you know, so the word Anti-Semitic is a total joke in fact !and the Jews are only one tribe of the Semitic race back in the day in fact.

How about Anti-Islamic or Anti-Jewish ? or Anti-Christ is it not truly ? because that's what is truly at stake is it not, we are not talking about any race truly at all, it's the religion that is under question in fact and all must be allowed to be aired and not hidden due to some Politically Correct Marxist creep show dictating over everyone like a childish silly pathetic uneducated total moron, I know that uneducated morons love Political Correctness because they are stupid simple minded ignorant fools who can not fathom reality into practice, so they stick their head in the sand and start dictating like a 5yo brat. it's like oh no ! someone is a Anti-Semite and that triggers a mental image of a brainwashed up bring that will not tolerated at all such things, it's forbidden ! the subject is closed under any circumstance at all, it's taboo ! and they do not want people to be educated on the subject because the great lie may just get out of the bag. how totally childish and ignorant can such be. it's a joke that stinks of Satanic works of total ignorance due to a people being backwards dolts.

Is being Anti-Christ evil yes, you bet it is in fact !
Is being Anti-Semitism evil ? well it's just a silly bastardised term that only fools use.
Is being Anti-Jewish evil ? well it could be but, such could only be one pointing out the facts of such a religion.
Is being Anti-Islam evil ? well it could be but, such could only be one pointing out the facts of such a religion.
Is being Anti-Christian evil ? well it could be but, such could be one pointing out the facts of such a religion.

Now look at what is going on nowadays Anti-Christ are free to peddle to there hearts content and all, but under cultural Marxist Political Correctness you can not offend such Satanic gods because that's what it god is, a mans works religion and such has always failed miserably and only enslaved the people for the fools that they are.

Phoneman777 said:

"Antinomianist" which means "one who is against the law of God"
Do you always characterize unwelcomed criticism as "emotional"? Because the two are not the same.
Is that what you characterize lucid, well communicated thought? Because the two are not necessarily the same.
Sorry, but the moment one starts mentioning "to be saved" in a discussion that is about "after we're saved", a shift has been made from "obligation" to "origination", which is an Antinomianist knee jerk reaction. You guys can't help yourselves. It's as if the Cognitive Dissonance starts really taking hold and the only brain response you guys can muster is to do that, so that comforting, reassuring claims of "but we're saved by grace!" can quiet a conscience awakening to the reality that it will NEVER be OK to break any of the Ten Commandments, both in the here and now and for all eternity.
If this isn't a most asinine twisted example of liberal theology...it is not those who keep God's law, it is those who break His law that "crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame", according to Paul.
If one believes that "in Christ" actually means "break any one of these least commandments and teach men so" then that one should expect to be called "least in the kingdom of heaven".
I've got unwelcome news for you: Isaiah, the one called the Gospel prophet b/c he wrote so much about Jesus, said, "(Jesus) will MAGNIFY the law and make it honorable." That's why "thou shalt not commit adultery and kill" became "do not lust and hate". If you think only Ten Commandments are bad, just wait till you find out how high and lofty the Spirit of the Law is.
More Jesuit inspired Dispensationalism nonsense. Ain't nobody ever been saved by keeping a law, killing a sacrifice, dumping out a drink offering, etc. Abraham isn't going to walk around bragging how he WORKED for his ticket to heaven while us New Covenant prima donnas got there on the roller skates of grace.

It's ALL by grace. They looked in faith forward to the Cross and we look in faith back to it.
Shame on you breaking the commandmetns of God and teaching men to do it, thinking you'll be regarded by those in heaven looking down to you as "great" when the entire universe knows what you're doing and teaching is exactly what made necessary Heaven's Commander to have to leave behind His glory and come down here to die an ignominious death on what should have been OUR Cross in the first place.
One who claims to love God but breaks any of the first table of stone "is a liar and the truth is not in him".
One who claims to love thy neighbor but breaks any of the second tables of stone "is a liar and the truth is not in him."

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I see it this way, that the Commandments are under Grace as in regards to a Christian so we are not under the Law, like the Jews were, so all the Law is under Christ Jesus as it's his Grace that one truly abides in.
The OT Law has been completely changed under Grace, we are not Socialist types who are a Letter of the Law type of moronic little twerp.
It's like this with the OT Law, oh you disobeyed the law ? so here you go you will be dealt with as such, with no regard.
It's like this with the NT Law, oh you disobeyed the law we see ? ok now what is the best way to deal with that problem, so you can grow into a worthy man and bear fruit within the community and all.

The Letter of the Law only convicts, but the Law under Grace bears fruit because of Grace and them two Laws that Jesus gave trump all Laws totally in every way, and it was all finished off in fact because there is noting more to add to it, it's done, it's the finished work as to Jesus Christ Lord of Lords King of Kings for ever end of story.

Phoneman777 said:

The law of sin and death is Romans 6:23, ""the wages of sin is death".

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Actually, this verse should read, "the wages of sin is the second death." When we speak of the consequences of sin it is always that the person will be judged unrighteous at the time of the Judgement and they will then be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death.

Any other understanding is false.