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Pentecost was an example but not the fulfillment. The prophecy was to all of Israel, not to just those at an event.
If it was an 'example' and only a small 'event', it was still for the Church, not Israel. The Holy Spirit fell that day...on the Church. Jews became believers, and part of the Church. They went out, full of the Spirit, and converted other Jews and Gentiles, who became part of the Church. And we know from the rest of Acts and other books in the NT, that believers in the Church did indeed have dreams and visions. Cornelius, the Roman centurion, whom God used to show Peter that the gospel was to go to the Gentiles, was given a vision. So...clearly this was not just for Jewish Christians.
 
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On different forums this topic has been discussed.

A common thread on every form is people not being able to differentiate their own dreams, regardless of content, from something God.

And others saying things that obviously came from demons.
 

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I had a dream the Revelation of god had Ceased... The prophets had rightly stopped over 1800 years ago. Never again would people hear from God since he had ended his revelation. I quickly wrote down Calvinism to share with others... The dream turned out to be metaphorical... It may be some sort of Miracle , we could have the top Miracle investigator look into it, the Pope or something.
 

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If it was an 'example' and only a small 'event', it was still for the Church, not Israel. The Holy Spirit fell that day...on the Church. Jews became believers, and part of the Church. They went out, full of the Spirit, and converted other Jews and Gentiles, who became part of the Church. And we know from the rest of Acts and other books in the NT, that believers in the Church did indeed have dreams and visions. Cornelius, the Roman centurion, whom God used to show Peter that the gospel was to go to the Gentiles, was given a vision. So...clearly this was not just for Jewish Christians.

There were no gentiles there. Only Jews.

And the prophecy of Joel was only to Israel, not to gentiles.

Actually, there is no mention of dreams after the gospels.

Visions are not dreams.
 

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I had a dream the Revelation of god had Ceased... The prophets had rightly stopped over 1800 years ago. Never again would people hear from God since he had ended his revelation. I quickly wrote down Calvinism to share with others... The dream turned out to be metaphorical... It may be some sort of Miracle , we could have the top Miracle investigator look into it, the Pope or something.
Sounds like the monologue of a comedian, not Dwight Eisenhower, a really great President.
 
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There were no gentiles there. Only Jews.

And the prophecy of Joel was only to Israel, not to gentiles.

Actually, there is no mention of dreams after the gospels.

Visions are not dreams.

So...Peter was only speaking to the Jews, not the Church. And when he quoted Joel there was a clear line of demarkation between the 'dream' line and 'vision' line?
Except, nothing in scripture will support either thought.

for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:26–29

remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility -Ephesians 2:12–14


So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit. -Ephesians 2:19–22

So, understanding, then, that in Christ, there is no longer Jew or Gentile, and that we are all 'fellow citizen' of the household of God because we have the Holy Spirit, how should we understand what Peter says about the new Church?


“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. -Acts 2:17–18

We see that God makes no distinction...he will pour out his Spirit on ALL flesh. And indeed, in the previous verses above we see the following things: that while before Gentiles WERE strangers to Israel, we are not anymore in Christ. That there are therefore neither Jew or Greek, just the 'Church'...his people...who are being built by the Spirit...the same Spirit Peter tells us Joel prophecies will be poured out on ALL flesh.
Joel also makes no distinction between dream or vision, either in timeframe or in ethnicity or worthiness to receive such things. Indeed, the verse would imply that every child who belongs to God and has the Spirit "poured" within them, would be a possible recipient of such gifts.
 

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So...Peter was only speaking to the Jews, not the Church. And when he quoted Joel there was a clear line of demarkation between the 'dream' line and 'vision' line?
Peter was speaking to the Jews, and that prophecy has a double application. It was partially fulfilled at Pentecost, but it will also be fulfilled after the second coming of Christ, when a large number of Jews will be saved -- for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. (Joel 2:32). A large Jewish remnant will be saved at that time.

Also there is a clear demarcation between dreams and visions in Scripture. Joseph had dreams but the apostle John had visions. It is also noteworthy in the NT that even though dreams are mentioned within this prophecy, there is not a single dream recorded in the NT. Only visions.
 

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God appears to speak to people through dreams; have you experienced this? Has God provided direction or comfort to you in your sleep? Is dream interpretation a gift from God or is it dangerous?

What is your experience with dreams?
God can use any medium to speak to people. And yes, among the looooong list of ways God has spoken to me, clarifying things in a dream is certainly among them.
 

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Peter was speaking to the Jews, and that prophecy has a double application. It was partially fulfilled at Pentecost, but it will also be fulfilled after the second coming of Christ, when a large number of Jews will be saved -- for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. (Joel 2:32). A large Jewish remnant will be saved at that time.

Also there is a clear demarcation between dreams and visions in Scripture. Joseph had dreams but the apostle John had visions. It is also noteworthy in the NT that even though dreams are mentioned within this prophecy, there is not a single dream recorded in the NT. Only visions.

Peter was speaking to the Church. When it says that "three thousand souls" were added, and baptized...that means that they became the Church. So...yes, Jews. But Paul tells us that IN Christ, there is neither Jew or Gentile. So all this nonsense about it still being about Jew or 'not-Jew' is only in the mind of some. Not Paul, and not scripture, and not, apparently, Peter, who, being led by the Spirit, used Joel's prophecy to speak to the beginning of the Church. Trying to break it back down to Jews then, and Jews in the future is not biblically permitted.

Also...you might see there is a clear demarcation between dreams and visions, but Joel's prophecy put's em together. They are both promised by the Spirit...by the filling of the Spirit. In other words....the category of "do you get dreams and visions" is not "Jew or not-Jew", it's "Spirit or not-Spirit".
As far as why dreams are not mentioned...I don't know, I didn't write scripture. I can guess....dreams seem to be of an 'encouraging' nature, where visions seem to be of a more prophetic, building the church up, sort of thing. Therefore, dreams are private and individual.
But...regardless of my guessing, Acts mentions it in light of the last days, so you can't just wave it off as "doesn't happen".
 

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I have no doubt God can and does give us dreams at times to reveal something to us. But, it is for the believer alone, for his understanding, and usually for something he is experiencing at the time or will experience. It is not given for other believers to interpret for him. He will either understand it immediately or when it comes to pass.

Because dreams are subjective in nature, we do not build any doctrine on them. They are experiential....a result of your relationship with God. Thus when you share them with other believers, we always take them with a grain of salt. You may know it was really from God, but other believers will always be left with the question.

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I dream often, probably every night. I think God tests us with dreams. And Iv'e even prayed before that he would keep me on track in my dreams. So I always thank him for not putting me in compromising situations while I sleep dreaming the night away. Pleasant dreams? Yes and a real blessing. I also dream scripture in my inner Dave voice and have gotten up to take notes so I can remember it.
 
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Hey Ron.

No doubt this thread will once again bring out the negative nay sayers , they cannot help themselves.

Yes, I have had many "God dreams" in my 50+ years of walking with God.
I can remember them all as if they were yesterday, so vivid.
Any dreams that I have woken up from and said " Was that from the Lord?"
I have thrown out...because in my experience a God dream is so powerful there is no question.

I do remember one where I walked dow a dark tunnel..and popped out into a bright place ..too long to tell...but in the dream ..a person came up to me and said " Bobby Branham died last night".
...during breakfast ( my parents also lived with our family at that time) I said.
" I believe the Lord told me that Bobby died last night. "

Two hours later we got the phone call...Bobby had gone. Maybe my just parents needed preparing..

Why? No idea, maybe just because He is our Father.

This is a good discernment technique. Thanks Helen. Spiritual warfare can happen in dreams just like in real life, so it is important to ask God for discernment.
 

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I had a dream that I think now was about the chemical plant explosion in Houston. It looked just like that. The dream was quite awhile back, but I was driving by this plant and then there smoke was filling my car and I couldnt breathe.

I don't know if that was from God or not. It sort of creeped me out. Especially when it happened.

But I had a dream after that where a lot of missiles were going off. There was a number on them, but I can't remember what that number was. And my husband and I were in a car driving away into the sun away from the missiles. Since I had this shortly after the chemical plant one, it will be a bit creepy if it happens. I think dreams from God would bring peace instead of fear. I do try now to take my dreams with a grain of salt now and not try to pick apart every single one for interpretation. Because many are just dreams.
 
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I had a lucid dream that started with timelapsed clouds racing in the sky and me standing in an empty field with Greek or Roman ruins in the distance. I was suddenly drawn extremely close to the ruins and there was a lion sitting on top of one of the columns. He was extremely frightening and loud. I was told in my dream that the ruins were human knowledge and the lion ruled over it. Then I saw a lamb in a field next to me, which look helpless, but unafraid. I tried to yell out to the lamb, but he did not hear me. The lion pounced and killed the lamb, but was unable to eat him. He tried and tried to eat the lamb, but he could not. When he turned and noticed me, the lamb disappeared and the lion moved towards me. I was petrified and he leaped at me......but is was not to be; the lion was stopped by two strands of bobbed wire separating the fields. The wire was not even the height of the lion, but he was unable to pass. He continued to try over and over again. The dream ended when I was returned to the middle of the field I started in

Wow... I'm not quick to interpret anymore, because I came to the place of considering most of what the typical Christian receives to be uninspired. But this one has a distinct feature I don't see very often aspen, and that's the part about being told what something is during the dream. That in and of itself wouldn't necessarily make it inspired, but combined with the content it makes things interesting.

So let me take a stab at it. I essentially know what it means if it is from God, because I have a copy of a vision that essentially teaches the same thing. It's talking about a future where worldly philosophies are going to try to "kill" off Christian thought and influence altogether in the Western world (including in America).

Ok, line by line:
- "time-lapsed clouds racing in the sky and me standing in an empty field with Greek or Roman ruins in the distance." = "time-lapsed clouds racing" is an allusion to the speeding up of time, and the Greek and Roman ruins represents the Western world, which is built upon the Greek and Roman civilizations. In other worlds, the dream is about the future of the Western world.
- "I was suddenly drawn extremely close to the ruins and there was a lion sitting on top of one of the columns. He was extremely frightening and loud. I was told in my dream that the ruins were human knowledge and the lion ruled over it." = This is an obvious allusion to 1 Peter 5:8 and Genesis 2:9. Satan is a roaring lion going about seeking those whom he can destroy, and in the Genesis account he is the one who first led mankind to destruction by convincing Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Humanistic philosophies are also alluded to by the columns in the Greek and Roman ruins, and scripture warns that worldly philosophies are also a danger (Colossians 2:8).
- "Then I saw a lamb in a field next to me, which look helpless, but unafraid. I tried to yell out to the lamb, but he did not hear me. The lion pounced and killed the lamb, but was unable to eat him. He tried and tried to eat the lamb, but he could not." = The Lamb here is Christ, i.e. the Word of God made flesh, so the Lion who rules over human knowledge killing the Word of God would mean Satan will completely kill off the use of the Word of God in Western society, likely through governmental and political influence (though this is admittedly supposition on my part). However, he will not be able to "eat" the Lamb, i.e. destroy the Word entirely. In other words, he will not be able to get rid of its existence; he will only be able to kill off its use and influence.
- "When he turned and noticed me, the lamb disappeared and the lion moved towards me. I was petrified and he leaped at me......but is was not to be; the lion was stopped by two strands of bobbed wire separating the fields. The wire was not even the height of the lion, but he was unable to pass. He continued to try over and over again. The dream ended when I was returned to the middle of the field I started in." = You being returned to the field you started in represents being returned to the present. You in this dream likely represent the church, aspen. I don't want to make too much out of it, but in a dream with a broad scope like this the Christian receiving the dream usually represents the church, or at least the obedient portion of the church that poses a threat to Satan, which he will try to attack. I noticed both you and the Lamb are in other fields from the Lion. This likely represents the church, which is described in scripture as the flock of the Great Shepherd, imagery which is also suggested here by Christ being represented as a Lamb. So the meaning is, Satan will try to attack the Word of God present in the church once he has eliminated its influence completely in the world. The two strands of barbed wire "separating the fields" from each other represents something that protects that the word of God in the church from Satan's power. I would have to pray about what those two strands represent.

Again, I can't promise you this dream is inspired. I'm simply giving you what the interpretation likely is if it is. But let me see if I can't find you the vision I was alluding to that teaches the same thing. I'll post it to this thread when I have some time later.

Blessings in Christ, aspen, and thanks for sharing your dream.
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Well, if that's part of Christianity, didn't it seem to die with Pontius Pilate's wife? I'm not sure why! To completely respond to the post, no that would be some odd spiritualism experience, wouldn't it?
to us prolly, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the concept has passed , so much as maybe we have lost the art, not unlike the ancient reading of hands or even Scriptural Astarology perhaps
 
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The two strands of barbed wire "separating the fields" from each other represents something that protects that the word of God in the church from Satan's power. I would have to pray about what those two strands represent.

As I stated, the Lion killing the Lamb would represent Satan killing off the use of the Word of God in secular society, but him not being able to kill off its use in the church would likely be prohibited by certain laws. This is likely what the two strands represent, though I couldn't tell you what those two laws would be, or will be.
- "The wire was not even the height of the lion, but he was unable to pass." = Though Satan has great "height" i.e. power in the earth, he will not be able to overcome or get "passed" the laws of the land.
- "He continued to try over and over again." = But through Western governments he will nevertheless try to, and not stop trying.
 
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In my time I have had many...there is the inner knowing. Can't say more than that.
I've had 'nice' ,even 'spiritual' dreams...but they were just that. Uplifting, pleasant and a blessing...but a God-dream is different. Only those who have them would know what I mean.

Who knows why...only God knows that. I don't pretend to be all wise and know everything. :)

Well put, Helen. The ones that startle me, and shake me to my core are the ones I really take notice of. Whether positive or negative, they have a feeling of importance, as if the Spirit of God is telling me that I NEED to find out what it means.

Thanks for the heads up on this thread, btw.
 

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So...Peter was only speaking to the Jews, not the Church. And when he quoted Joel there was a clear line of demarkation between the 'dream' line and 'vision' line?
Except, nothing in scripture will support either thought.

for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:26–29

remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility -Ephesians 2:12–14


So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit. -Ephesians 2:19–22

So, understanding, then, that in Christ, there is no longer Jew or Gentile, and that we are all 'fellow citizen' of the household of God because we have the Holy Spirit, how should we understand what Peter says about the new Church?


“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. -Acts 2:17–18

We see that God makes no distinction...he will pour out his Spirit on ALL flesh. And indeed, in the previous verses above we see the following things: that while before Gentiles WERE strangers to Israel, we are not anymore in Christ. That there are therefore neither Jew or Greek, just the 'Church'...his people...who are being built by the Spirit...the same Spirit Peter tells us Joel prophecies will be poured out on ALL flesh.
Joel also makes no distinction between dream or vision, either in timeframe or in ethnicity or worthiness to receive such things. Indeed, the verse would imply that every child who belongs to God and has the Spirit "poured" within them, would be a possible recipient of such gifts.

Joel was an ancient Israelite, so forget trying to put church on him in any way.

Pentecost was for the Jews, not church.

Simple fact is acts was not the fulfillment of Joel. Seen in a giant locust running around lately?

It does not say every child who belongs to God. It says sons and daughters of Israel.