Judaizers! They Live!!!! They walk among us!!!

justbyfaith said:

See Matthew 5:17-20...Jesus makes it a part of the New Covenant law here.



See Romans 7:6.



Can you please provide chapter and verse for these statements about the law. Thank you.



And is not sin the transgression of the law? (1 John 3:4) So then, if sin shall not have dominion over me, I shall not be in slavery to the violation of God's law.

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Exodus 21:7-11
Number 31:17-18
Deuteronomy 20:13-17
Deuteronomy 22:21
Polygamy and concubinage...the whole Old Testament. Most prominent figures in the Old Testament that were not prophets had multiple wives and God Himself told David that he had his wives because of Him. And there are Mosaic Laws that govern certain aspects of polygamous relationships.

justbyfaith said:

1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

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No doubt that Christ was the fulfillment of the Law, but the teaching of Christ surpasses in wisdom and morality any word in the Mosaic Law. Like you do not know this.......

The status of women as sexual property as well as the status of women in the Old Testament.
The "Ten Commandments" as one small case in point. “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male slave, his female slave, his ox, his donkey or anything which belongs to your neighbor” (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21). Because the Ten Commandments are so well known, it’s quite easy to miss the assumptions in them about gender. But the marginalization of women is clear. The wife is classified as her husband’s property, and so she’s listed with the slaves and work-animals. There’s also a striking omission in this commandment: never does it say “You shall not covet your neighbor’s husband.” The Ten Commandments were written to men, not women. There’s even more evidence, linguistic in nature. Hebrew has four distinct forms of the word “you” and these are gender and number specific. The form of “you” in every single commandment is masculine singular. The text assumes its readers are men. True, mothers are mentioned in the Decalogue as deserving of honor, but even here the Hebrew grammar assumes a male readership: the Hebrew verb for “honor” is masculine singular (Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:16). The Ten Commandments embody much that is foundational for modern society, but egalitarian they aren’t. Still keeping mind that the Ten Commandments (as some have dubbed them) are a summary of Laws and the full explanation appear in the scriptures denoting the actual Mosaic Laws. For a look at the commandments that God called the Ten Commandments and told Moses to write them on the Tablets of the Testimony see Exodus 34:11-29

The most important relation of woman in early society was that of wife. It is evident from the Genesis-stories that more than one woman in the home was dignified with the name. When there is a difference in status, the inferior wife is known as concubine. Jacob married sisters, equal in rank in Jacob's tent. The inferiority of the concubines lay in the fact that a bride-price was paid by Jacob for Leah and Rachel (Gen. 31 15) while Zilpah and Bilhah were slaves otherwise acquired (Gen. 29: 24, 29). The first place might be accorded her who had borne the first son. This was the cause of the insubordination of Hagar to the chief wife Sarah (Gen. 16:4), Hagar being the slave of Sarah, presented by Sarah herself, to the head of the household. Such was the custom of the childless wife, the son of the slave being adopted as her own

For men it was of the most significance accomplishments in life, to sire sons to continue the bloodline. So it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children. So as with wives, which often gave their maids to their husbands if they were barren. The children of the concubine often had equal rights with those of the wife; for example, King Abimelech was the son of Gideon and his concubine. Later biblical figures such as Gideon, and Solomon had concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

justbyfaith said:

There was a change of law over the change of priesthood (Hebrews 7:12).

However, in that change of law, the OT, moral law was not abolished (except in that it no longer condemns us)...see Matthew 5:17-20.

Today, the extent of what we are to obey is what is found in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and the Sermon on the Plain (Luke 6:20-49) and/or regarding the moral virtues exemplified in such verses as Galatians 5:22-23 and/or disregarding certain moral vices defined in such verses as Galatians 5:19-21.

We have a new heart and a new spirit dwelling within us; and the Lord causes us to walk in his statutes and judgments; not through seeking to obey a set of do's and don'ts; but in walking according to the Spirit rather than the flesh.

When we walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh, there is nothing in God's OT, moral law that will be violated by us (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, the OT law is still valid as a plumbline that tells us whether we are being obedient or else sinning against Him. By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20); and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

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However, in that change of law, the OT, moral law was not abolished (except in that it no longer condemns us)...see Matthew 5:17-20.

Ya I am posting their morals and then you and I will see how many are Christian and even good.

justbyfaith said:

You shouldn't be trying to do that; as you might in doing so be attempting to bring the word of the Lord into disrepute: and He is going to judge you for that.

Because it is clear in Matthew 5:17-20 that not one jot or tittle shall by no means pass from the law until after heaven and earth have passed away.

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The Truth will set you free. Judaizers get on their soap boxes and thump their Bibles like they know it and proclaim they follow the Mosaic Law or that it is anything moral by Christian standards. When they really no little of the Mosaic Law. You could not follow them today if you wanted to. If you tried you would either end up in jail or an insane asylum.

And the Jot is not going anywhere it just for the Jews.

Exodus 21:7-11
Number 31:17-18
Deuteronomy 20:13-17
Deuteronomy 22:21

justbyfaith said:

These things may be abhorrent to us today because we feel that we have "evolved from the barbarism" of those days in history.

But in this, we are making our own moral compass more righteous than God in our own thinking patterns.

On the contrary, the scripture states:

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8, The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9, The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10, More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11, Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12, Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13, Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psa 19:14, Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

There are reasons for the OT laws about slavery; as slavery is a picture of something important in the NT.

But be careful lest the following be found true of you:

Jde 1:14, And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jde 1:15, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

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They are the morality of the Mosaic Law....not just customs.....their society was established by the Mosaic Law.

justbyfaith said:

So, do you believe that God's moral law is reflective of God's moral nature and character?

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I believe that the Mosaic Law is not required to be followed by Christians. What God thinks of them, you will have to ask Him.
My point is that there is no up side to bringing them into Christianity, by letter or by spirit. The morales that Christ taught are so much more wise so much more morale that they can hardly be compared.

But we can go through the 613 Laws one by one and see how many you think Christians should follow, or even think they are good. The Mosaic Law would poison Christianity. We do not follow them and they cannot condemn us...not under the Law.