Should a President have a Morality Code of Conduct

Mayflower · Dec 22, 2019

So I was thinking. Okay. President Trump doesnt deserve impeachment. Even if he had done anything wrong, the fact that Democrats have been planning to impeach him even before he was elected, makes them guilty in election tampering. I dont believe for a second he withheld money from Ukraine for political reasons. The timing only came out after the vote, because people are too smart to buy it.

Here is what I do believe would be helpful for the future. Many jobs have morality codes. I do believe that the president should have a morality code as well. Should he use Twitter/Facebook? I think it would be better sacrificed. Because a president is the most targeted person for criticism. I believe President Trump uses his twitter finger too much. He is a great president. But I think a moral code should be passed...certain rules for presidential candidates, to protect both them and those around him. A president should have rights. But a president should also maintain certain standards. Only after these higher standards are set and given time to change things , would I consider impeaching a president. It is absolutely ridiculous how President Trump has been targeted. He has brought very good results to America. Anyway, just my thoughts on it.

farouk · Dec 22, 2019

Mayflower said:
So I was thinking. Okay. President Trump doesnt deserve impeachment. Even if he had done anything wrong, the fact that Democrats have been planning to impeach him even before he was elected, makes them guilty in election tampering. I dont believe for a second he withheld money from Ukraine for political reasons. The timing only came out after the vote, because people are too smart to buy it.

Here is what I do believe would be helpful for the future. Many jobs have morality codes. I do believe that the president should have a morality code as well. Should he use Twitter/Facebook? I think it would be better sacrificed. Because a president is the most targeted person for criticism. I believe President Trump uses his twitter finger too much. He is a great president. But I think a moral code should be passed...certain rules for presidential candidates, to protect both them and those around him. A president should have rights. But a president should also maintain certain standards. Only after these higher standards are set and given time to change things , would I consider impeaching a president. It is absolutely ridiculous how President Trump has been targeted. He has brought very good results to America. Anyway, just my thoughts on it.

I think the key is your quote from Philippians 3.20...

(I'm in Canada, BTW...)

Butterfly · Dec 22, 2019

Hi Mayflower
I dont think he helps by using Twitter in the way he does- I didn't believe it was him posting at one stage because of what he was saying, but everyone seems to think it is him. I dont think a President should be a closed book, or any leader, but I think there needs to be a level of control within a person as to what is wise to post, one small sentence can spark off so many issues, and what we write can reveal what's in our hearts - no different to when we speak without thinking, or react.
James doesnt warn us about the tongue for nothing x
Rita

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

Butterfly said:
Hi Mayflower
I dont think he helps by using Twitter in the way he does- I didn't believe it was him posting at one stage because of what he was saying, but everyone seems to think it is him. I dont think a President should be a closed book, or any leader, but I think there needs to be a level of control within a person as to what is wise to post, one small sentence can spark off so many issues, and what we write can reveal what's in our hearts - no different to when we speak without thinking, or react.
James doesnt warn us about the tongue for nothing x
Rita

If it isnt him, he hasnt cleared himself about it. But yes. I agree.

Giuliano · Dec 23, 2019

Mayflower said:
So I was thinking. Okay. President Trump doesnt deserve impeachment. Even if he had done anything wrong, the fact that Democrats have been planning to impeach him even before he was elected, makes them guilty in election tampering. I dont believe for a second he withheld money from Ukraine for political reasons. The timing only came out after the vote, because people are too smart to buy it.

So you count yourself among the "too smart" people? Or could it be wishful thinking? I can remember when Pelosi didn't want to impeach him. After all, odds are the Democrats will lose some seats in the House over it in districts where Trump won and remains popular. Some of the Democrats who voted to impeach him will be defeated. Does that explain why Pelosi wasn't eager to impeach him? Democrats in strongly Democratic districts wanted to, but she didn't.

The news this morning is that 91 minutes Trump made that call, a White House official was on the phone about it. The document was not given to Congress -- it was obtained through the FOIA by the Center for Public Integrity.

White House official ordered aid to Ukraine be withheld 91 minutes after Trump call with Ukraine president, documents show

At 11:04 a.m., an official with the White House's budget office, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Mike Duffey, sent an email to Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist, the chief of staff to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the Pentagon's chief financial officer telling them to withhold the aid to Ukraine, the documents showed.

"Based on guidance I have received and in light of the Administration’s plan to review assistance to Ukraine, including the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, please hold off on any additional DoD obligations of these funds, pending direction from that process," the email from Duffey said, according to the documents.

"Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute direction," Duffey's email stated.

Here is what I do believe would be helpful for the future. Many jobs have morality codes. I do believe that the president should have a morality code as well. Should he use Twitter/Facebook? I think it would be better sacrificed. Because a president is the most targeted person for criticism. I believe President Trump uses his twitter finger too much. He is a great president. But I think a moral code should be passed...certain rules for presidential candidates, to protect both them and those around him. A president should have rights. But a president should also maintain certain standards. Only after these higher standards are set and given time to change things , would I consider impeaching a president. It is absolutely ridiculous how President Trump has been targeted. He has brought very good results to America. Anyway, just my thoughts on it.

Why bother having a morality code if people will support you anyway?

Willie T · Dec 23, 2019

Trouble is, there is not a single candidate running who could uphold a moral code.
And, anyone who could, wouldn't want the job.... or take it.

Pearl · Dec 23, 2019

I've always thought it was very unwise of him to resort to Twitter so much. And as this man calls himself a Christian he should follow a moral code which to me he does not.

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

Willie T said:
Trouble is, there is not a single candidate running who could uphold a moral code.
And, anyone who could, wouldn't want the job.... or take it.

True. Not talking doesnt change someone's true morals. But a president should exercise discretion. I wouldnt impeach him for it though. Id agree with it if it was a set higher standard for a president to have discretion.

Willie T · Dec 23, 2019

Mayflower said:
True. Not talking doesnt change someone's true morals. But a president should exercise discretion. I wouldnt impeach him for it though. Id agree with it if it was a set higher standard for a president to have discretion.

Where would you rank Sexual Conduct on your list? And WHY would you include that, if you do? (I mean what basis or "set of rules" would you say should govern Sexual Behavior of a Presidential candidate?) And, would failing in that area be considered OK.... as long as the candidate uses "discretion", and never divulged any of it in any way?

Marymog · Dec 23, 2019

Mayflower said:
So I was thinking. Okay. President Trump doesnt deserve impeachment. Even if he had done anything wrong, the fact that Democrats have been planning to impeach him even before he was elected, makes them guilty in election tampering. I dont believe for a second he withheld money from Ukraine for political reasons. The timing only came out after the vote, because people are too smart to buy it.

Here is what I do believe would be helpful for the future. Many jobs have morality codes. I do believe that the president should have a morality code as well. Should he use Twitter/Facebook? I think it would be better sacrificed. Because a president is the most targeted person for criticism. I believe President Trump uses his twitter finger too much. He is a great president. But I think a moral code should be passed...certain rules for presidential candidates, to protect both them and those around him. A president should have rights. But a president should also maintain certain standards. Only after these higher standards are set and given time to change things , would I consider impeaching a president. It is absolutely ridiculous how President Trump has been targeted. He has brought very good results to America. Anyway, just my thoughts on it.

Should a President have a Morality Code of Conduct?

That "code" would be according to who's morale's?

Respectfully, Mary

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

Giuliano said:
So you count yourself among the "too smart" people? Or could it be wishful thinking? I can remember when Pelosi didn't want to impeach him. After all, odds are the Democrats will lose some seats in the House over it in districts where Trump won and remains popular. Some of the Democrats who voted to impeach him will be defeated. Does that explain why Pelosi wasn't eager to impeach him? Democrats in strongly Democratic districts wanted to, but she didn't.

The news this morning is that 91 minutes Trump made that call, a White House official was on the phone about it. The document was not given to Congress -- it was obtained through the FOIA by the Center for Public Integrity.

White House official ordered aid to Ukraine be withheld 91 minutes after Trump call with Ukraine president, documents show

At 11:04 a.m., an official with the White House's budget office, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Mike Duffey, sent an email to Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist, the chief of staff to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the Pentagon's chief financial officer telling them to withhold the aid to Ukraine, the documents showed.

"Based on guidance I have received and in light of the Administration’s plan to review assistance to Ukraine, including the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, please hold off on any additional DoD obligations of these funds, pending direction from that process," the email from Duffey said, according to the documents.

"Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute direction," Duffey's email stated.

Why bother having a morality code if people will support you anyway?

If President Trump doesnt care about this country, the Economy wouldnt be as great as it is now. He has fought for Israel, pro life rights, and defense in our country. He has increased trade, honored our military, and increased jobs. Do I like his mouth? No. But I would like to hear examples of what you are talking about. But if he shut his mouth, would you believe this about President Trump? What do you think about those in Congress who you don't hear about often until these days?

A lot more could be accomplished if the parties worked together and stopped focusing on how imperfect President Trump is. He is God's elect while he is in office. And you don't have to like a man personally to pray for him and submit to him. Do you think if there hasnt been so much fighting, the results would be the same in 2020? What does impeachment do except divide a country further? Over what? A phone call the man wasnt even pressured about? No, it isn't that. And if a crime isnt needed to be impeached, why not just say it like it is. President Trump says a lot of immoral things. Now do his actions reflect that and has he fought for the rights of everyone or a select few?

I might support impeachment if it is on a moral code law. There are all sorts of people at jobs and if they did speak the way President Trump did, they probably would be fired. But no, not for a crime. If it really was a crime, Adam Schiff wouldnt have said the original transcript like a parody. I dont care how bad he is. President Trump deserves respect as leader in this country and he has just about been given none with very little focus on what he has done right.

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

Marymog said:
Should a President have a Morality Code of Conduct?

That "code" would be according to who's morale's?

Respectfully, Mary

I think it would be a good question to get the whole country to thinking and repenting.

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

Willie T said:
Where would you rank Sexual Conduct on your list? And WHY would you include that, if you do? (I mean what basis or "set of rules" would you say should govern Sexual Behavior of a Presidential candidate?) And, would failing in that area be considered OK.... as long as the candidate uses "discretion", and never divulged any of it in any way?

I think his private life should be his own. That he just shouldnt talk about it or be talked about. Let people in an election be the judge.

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

I'm thinking more along the lines of how a president talks.

Bobby Jo · Dec 23, 2019

"Moral Code"?

Maybe for the Disciples, and for Paul. And how about King David?

Bobby Jo

Marymog · Dec 23, 2019

Mayflower said:
I think it would be a good question to get the whole country to thinking and repenting.

Oh goodness.....YES! I agree.

@Willie T said it best.....anyone who could (live up to a morality code) wouldn't want the job.... or take it.

Willie T · Dec 23, 2019

I doubt many of you have read much of what I have posted concerning REBT. But, it involves learning to distinguish between things we feel absolutely SHOULD or MUST be or happen.... as opposed to how we would simply RATHER, or PREFER ,that they were. I think this Morality Code might fall under such scrutiny.

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

I guess I should have been more specific since this is a broad topic. @farouk put a good verse. I'm thinking more along these lines:

"Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well. Now if we put the bits into the horses’ mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well. Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires. So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. S ee how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way."
James 3:1‭-‬6‭, ‬8‭-‬10 NASB

Mayflower · Dec 23, 2019

If we put a moral code on our leaders on their manner of speech and dealings with people, this would, in my opinion, show how well they can handle everything else.

Enoch111 · Dec 23, 2019

Mayflower said:
I do believe that the president should have a morality code as well.

Before there is a morality code for any president, there must be a morality and ethics code for Congress and the Senate. But who will enforce it? Even the Supreme Court has been corrupted. So has the DOJ and the FBI.

Why you would even bring this up at this time when Trump has been falsely accused by BLATANT LIARS is beyond me. But there was a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY which no one will address, since the those who should address it are within the conspiracy.

The real question should be "Why are all these evildoers not behind bars already?"

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