Hilarious. There's no insidious plot, John. Get over yourself. Give it a try.
Edward Fudge: Hero Or Heretic?
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As in every history of every war to get a fuller more accurate picture of what took place reading something written from the other side's point of view is a good idea. It does not guarantee encountering the truth, but it should give us a better idea if we really want the truth rather than something that supports what we already believe or want to believe. I won't post any articles, but I have read about the Mormons being discriminated against without good cause simply because they were different believing something different. The discrimination against them also at time became violent. Kind of reminds us of the history developing in our nation today, doesn't it? Who should we believe? Who among all those telling the story has Not slanted things to favor his own view? Who has not lied at all? Who among them... on either side was always on the Lord's side in what he did and said?
As to the missionaries being told to lie? Perhaps that has happened, but as Paul wrote quoting from the Psalms, "every man is a liar". Many times the lies may be unintentional but that still does not make them the truth. Has any pastor or preacher or minister or elder in any other church bearing the label, Christian, ever lied to people?
Again, "every man is a liar" until he has completely overcome the world as Jesus did!
I supplied many facts to assure you that I am telling the truth. I am also looking for a video where the guy tells hoe to lie to others, but not calling it lying.
As one who spent about 15+ years on another site, and much time in the LDS section, I assure you that what I stated above can be backed up, although I may not have access to it at present.
You are still talking about SDA specifically whereas I was responding specifically to what you thought of the word cult being a "dirty word".
Remember that God has never changed and He also inspired Solomon to write these words:
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones." Prov 3:5-8
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
Why do you want to condemn the whole group? To what purpose? Are you then working in God's stead? Will you catch something that God has missed and make a report to Him on it after a while? Did God give you the job of separating the tares from the wheat? Is it now time to separate them? Did you receive these commissions personally by revelation from God?
Bullying is about the way on conducts themselves. "Anti-cuilt" tactics are almost always that way and ... to be honest I find them downright shameful and not befitting any disciple of Christ.
And how many people have been killed by Christians overall over the centuries? Millions? How many crusades, wars, inquisitions, etc have been waged over the years - many literally done in the name of God? It's ALL wrong and sign that we're all sinners in desperate need of a Savior.
This comment is so incredibly off base i don't even know where to start with it.
Drama?
Dude, look in the mirror- read how sensationalized and over the top this post of yours is!
Again, such inaccurate sensationalized and over the top bullying I don't even know where to start with a response to this. Or frankly, if it's even worth the time to do so.
Merely being present on some venue with LDS Christians folks isn't a credential. And to be frank, some "Christian" sites out there ... suffice it to say aren't Christ-like places to be and aren't interested in facts.
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anyway to your point it's not so much whether the account is meant to be taken literally or not, as it is a comparison of the wisdom gained from that perspective v a more spiritual interpretation; the literal one just kind of becomes irrelevant, in a way. And finding Noach is a good starting point for that maybe
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Despite the objections of traditionalists, it's clear to most modern Scripture theorists that the genealogies from Adam down don't describe biological descent and don't follow a chronological and temporal axis. The "table of nations" given in Genesis 10 does not resonate with the idea that nations are defined by their political government and are limited by their political borders (which is a Roman idea). In Biblical times, nations were defined by their cultures, and cultures follow a nation's "wisdom", that is their science, technology and artistic expressions.
Ergo, the table of nations of Genesis 10 organizes and catalogues wisdom traditions, and describes the internal structure of human mentality along a complexity scale. In short: Adam represents those qualities that humans share with all other corporeal beings on earth; Eve, being the "mother of all life" (Genesis 3:20), represents the whole biosphere. The qualities that set humanity apart from animals begin to be described in Noah, and these qualities are fundamentally grouped in three categories: Shem, Ham and Japheth..."
Noah sums up mankind
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Ok, you are indeed worth responding to, bbyrd009. What part would you like me to talk about?im asking you
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ah well it was for the witnesses anyway? and im talking about a thing that just happens...in this case a pastor emphasizing every sin requires blood omitting the under the law part, stuff like that
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like there's not evil in any religion?
the eye is the lamp of the body
i mean could you pls go spread gloom somewhere else?
Oh, I misunderstood your previous comment, my bad. I thought you were asking me to respond to something -- and hence was going to respond to you. Sorry.
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pEnoch, when i see believers who fit your bargain with the grave will be annulled i cannot but be compelled to speak against it, your imaginations be damned sir; i am not the one corrutping have faith into "belief"
and i dont think you can defend those generalizations very well either
i wouldnt accuse you of the same thing
so have a good day
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Someone needs to edit some posts... Or I will do it for them with warnings!
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Yes, and you've no doubt won over many an LDS with your method of evangelism.
You forgot to say "Thou art a Samaritan and hast a devil."Telling the truth about your religion is never being a bully. You may not like it, but that is your problem
You see, while about 1000 miles separate Missouri and the Mountains Meadows Massacre, (which could have been stopped by BY) and the Mormon Wars. They both involve Mormons shooting to kill innocent civilians
Obviously (and since you have a different Mormo-god, by definition and NOT by name calling, you know not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as he is in the Bible alone.
Do you shudder at this statement? Jesus is very clear about who gets into heaven, and who does not get into heaven (and I am not referring to your tri-level "kingdoms"
John 14:
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Since when is truth-telling the equivalent of "bullying" All that is an emotion-laden word to muzzle me because you do not like it when Jesus Christ says that "I am exclusively the way into Heaven". that is because Heaven is independent of works, Temple Recommends and mandatory tithing
You need to look at the facts, and cut the drama. Having thoroughly researched the MMM and the Mormon Wars.
BTW did you know that the "Pioneers" were villages of swingers? That is one reason the locals did not like them. They flaunted the laws of the state about marriage (oh, I "forgot that Joseph had a "revelation" where "god" changed his mind about polygamy and polyandry. For the record, both BY and JS had 9 polyandrous "wives" and Mormonism was a sex cult wrapped in pseudo religious garments, and each of the members of the Mormon villages wanted a "piece of the action", which is another name for "being holy" Yeah! Lets fornicate for our god!
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Mormon leaders have acknowledged for the first time that the church’s founder and prophet, Joseph Smith, portrayed in church materials as a loyal partner to his loving spouse Emma, took as many as 40 wives, some already married and one only 14 years old.
The church’s disclosures, in a series of essays online, are part of an effort to be transparent about its history at a time when church members are increasingly encountering disturbing claims about the faith on the Internet. Many Mormons, especially those with polygamous ancestors, say they were well aware that Smith’s successor, Brigham Young, practiced polygamy when he led the flock in Salt Lake City. But they did not know the full truth about Smith.
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Please notice that this chart below comes from several MORMON sources
Your time spent there and you knowledge of the group is unlikely to change my position, which is neither pro nor con on Mormonism. I try to take people one at the time without regard to what denomination, if any, they lay hold of... Sometimes they insist on certain things because of their denomination, which may make it an issue. But... let them begin it... not me! Where is it that God is leading me... or anyone here?
This thread is closed. There is too much bullying and zero edification.
And is way off topic.
And is way off topic.
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