The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

marks said:
I would disagree with this.

God's power is revealed in me, not given to me, as if I become a creature with power independant of God.

Much love!

It is NOT independent of God. God is a part of me now. That is what it means to abide in Him, and He in me. Didn't I already respond with 1 John 3:24? I thought I did. Maybe it was someone else. No, I just looked back at the rest of the post you deleted; evidently you just didn't understand the Bible verse. I am a child of God, a completely different nature that is different than the "old man" I was born with.

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
All one needs to do is read Romans 4 and they will see that imputed righteousness is spoken of throughout the chapter.

It seems to me that you, @CharismaticLady, are willing to cut these passages out of your Bible with a pair of scissors.

To you, it is false doctrine that is spoken of in the chapter.

But it has its place in the word of the Lord.

And also, it is life-giving doctrine when understood correctly.

I will not deny that it is possible to understand it incorrectly (2 Peter 3:15-17).

If you do not read the whole teaching of Paul - Romans 1 through Romans 8, and take Romans 4 out of that context as a stand alone chapter, you will believe that the Old Testament imputed righteousness (before Christ) is all the righteousness we receive. But Christ came to make us sinless, righteous, and holy - true children of God. But you have to be willing to study better than one chapter.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
If you do not read the whole teaching of Paul - Romans 1 through Romans 8, and take Romans 4 out of that context as a stand alone chapter, you will believe that the Old Testament imputed righteousness (before Christ) is all the righteousness we receive. But Christ came to make us sinless, righteous, and holy - true children of God. But you have to be willing to study better than one chapter.

While Christ did indeed come to make us perfect (Hebrews 10:14), He did not come to make us sinless (1 John 1:8).

We can be perfect although not sinless in that sin is rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that sin no longer has dominion over us (Romans 6:14).

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
While Christ did indeed come to make us perfect (Hebrews 10:14), He did not come to make us sinless (1 John 1:8).

We can be perfect although not sinless in that sin is rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that sin no longer has dominion over us (Romans 6:14).

You are reading 1 John 1:8 as a stand alone verse. The context is 1 John 1:9 to no longer be a sinner. Otherwise, it contradicts 1 John 3:9. Study!

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
You are reading 1 John 1:8 as a stand alone verse. The context is 1 John 1:9 to no longer be a sinner. Otherwise, it contradicts 1 John 3:9. Study!

It doesn't contradict 1 John 3:9.

1 John 3:9 is in reference to practical sins; while 1 John 1:8 is in reference to indwelling sin.

That indwelling sin in 1 John 1:8 can be rendered dead is in perfect conjunction with the idea in 1 John 3:9 that the one who is born of God cannot sin.

Try to think about what I am saying.

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It doesn't contradict 1 John 3:9.

1 John 3:9 is in reference to practical sins; while 1 John 1:8 is in reference to indwelling sin.

That indwelling sin in 1 John 1:8 can be rendered dead is in perfect conjunction with the idea in 1 John 3:9 that the one who is born of God cannot sin.

Try to think about what I am saying.

In order to understand an author, you have to read according to how he is writing. John is using the eastern (you are reading as western) Semitic writing style of contrasts as opposed to parallelisms, another Semitic writing style.

John is contrasting the light verses from the dark verses. The saved from the unsaved.

5 - God is light
6 - if you walk in darkness you do not have a relationship with God.
7 - if you walk in the light
8 - if you sin and say you don't you lie
9 - how to become a Christian and filled with light
10 - if you say you were born sinless you lie

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

Good night.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
8 - if you sin and say you don't you lie

That is not what it says.

It says, If we say that we have no sin, period, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

There is no clause saying that you are exempt if you do not have indwelling sin.

It is across the board...saying that you do have indwelling sin, whether you are a believer or an unbeliever.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Good night.

Good night.

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
That is not what it says.

It says, If we say that we have no sin, period, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

There is no clause saying that you are exempt if you do not have indwelling sin.

It is across the board...saying that you do have indwelling sin, whether you are a believer or an unbeliever.

It doesn't say that to us with a western mindset, but John isn't western.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
It doesn't say that to us with a western mindset, but John isn't western.

So, you're saying that you are the bearer of the true gospel according to the eastern mindset that no one in the west would be able to comprehend apart from you bringing them that knowledge...

So, apart from you and the news that you bring, no one will be saved...

got it.

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
So, you're saying that you are the bearer of the true gospel according to the eastern mindset that no one in the west would be able to comprehend apart from you bringing them that knowledge...

So, apart from you and the news that you bring, no one will be saved...

got it.

Study to show yourself approved. There are a lot of Hebrew idioms that Jesus used, that unless you were Hebrew you wouldn't understand. Like good eye and bad eye, meaning generous and stingy.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

Also, that those who read 1 John according to a western mindset are badly deceived for believing according to a western reading of 1 John that we all have indwelling sin.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

You don't have to have a Hebrew mind to understand from Jesus' words that a good eye is generous and an evil eye is stingy.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

cont' from #273...

So, really, 1 John 1:8 ought to say, if we say that we have sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us...

You have the verse reading exactly the opposite.

I don't think that the difference between eastern and western is going to make that much of a difference in our understanding of the text.

CharismaticLady · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Also, that those who read 1 John according to a western mindset are badly deceived for believing according to a western reading of 1 John that we all have indwelling sin.

If you have been born again you are free from sin indeed. That includes indwelling sin. John 8:34-36

1 John 1:9 cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness, including indwelling sin. You must not think much of the power of the cleansing blood of Christ to believe such a blasphemous thing.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

My dear lady, you have unwittingly accepted the teachings of gnosticism into your life...

Which John was specifically dealing with in his writing of 1 John.

justbyfaith · Oct 5, 2020

justbyfaith said:
cont' from #273...

So, really, 1 John 1:8 ought to say, if we say that we have sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us...

You have the verse reading exactly the opposite.

I don't think that the difference between eastern and western is going to make that much of a difference in our understanding of the text.

@CharismaticLady

stunnedbygrace · Oct 6, 2020

If you guys could grasp that a righteous man and a holy man are not the same thing, a lot of your problems would be solved.

Of the two men who prayed, it was not a sinless man who was righteous. It was a man who spoke truthfully about himself who was righteous.

To be righteous is to walk in truth rather than deception.
To be holy is to not sin.

mjrhealth · Oct 6, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
He died for all sinners, and those who come to Him, he makes them born again with His own Spirit that HATES SIN, and has no desire to commit it. Those are not sinners any longer in reality, but God calls them His children. You believe the myth that we can go on sinning and God accepts it. God is holy, and without holiness, no man shall see God. Hebrews 12:14.

You do know God is love, and any parent who would condemn there children for being imperfect would not be a good parent, are you saying God is not a good parent, God is love, Christ came to show who God is Christ is love. Love doesnt condemn. Love is not a myth.

Come to me like litle children for such is the kingdom of heaven,

And who said God would accept it, you said yourself He did away with it all,

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