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  1. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Let's see . . .
    - You believe in the "Bible" - yet the Bible itself NEVER lists the Books that belong in it (the Canon). YOU adhere to a list of Books that the Catholic Church declared Canonical in the 4th century.
    - Here's another one: You believe in the "Bible" - yet the word "Bible" itself is never found on the pages of Scripture.
    - NOT sure if you believe in a "Rapture" - but that is not found in Scripture, either.
    - The man-made belief that the Bible Alone (Sola Scriptura) is our "sole authority" - NOT in the Bible.
    - Same goes for Sola Fida (Faith Alone) . . .
    - Eternal Security(OSAS), Accepting Christ as "Personal Lord and Savior", "Invisible" Church - ALL not found in Scripture.

    As for the Trinity - you won't find the word - but the following verses teach it:
    (Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4).


    As for President Trump - I ABSOLUTELY believe that he is controversial. That's WHY I voted for him - because it IS "controversial" to shake things up in the Washington cesspool and drain the swamp. Even people in his own cabinet didn't think he's hold to his word - and they were downright indignant that he didn't play their political games.

    This and the fact that he is vehemently PRO-LIFE is why I voted for him.
    Shame on YOU for wanting a Pro-Abortion candidate instead.

    God Bless him . . .
     
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    The word Bible is every where in Scripture, referencing either, The Law, The word, scripture, the parchemin, the letters, all denote the compilation of the Bible. The principle and synonyms are there, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    Same with sola fida, Romans expresses it, and defines it, and so do the other epistles, both in principle and terminology. And this, to a didactic, explicit, and emphatic degree (are we really questioning this???).
    Sola scriptura, the principle is there. David exalted God's word as all that he needed to live. Jesus expressed that man lives by every word of God, and not food. 2 Timothy explains that scripture is sufficient for every purpose of man.

    The principles and emphatic teachings are there, ...the rest you brought up, I don't accept.
    And now, you take, according to you, the most importing doctrine in all of Christendom, and claim that you have Biblical proof-text, ....compared to what?
    Again, you're wrong, it is not taught in the Bible, for even your most scholarly adherents will admit that much.
    Not one of the passages that you quoted teach trinity anywhere. The best that you can try to do, as all your theologians have stated, is prove that the father is God, that Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and voila, we have the trinity.
    So, you will show more seriousness and competence, if you're willing to admit that much! I have no patience to listen to anyone state that it's taught in the Bible.
    Admit that at best, it's inferred and implied through eisegesis, and then I will, at least, say that you're serious.

    And there you go jumping to conclusions again, even on the subject of Trump. I am pro-life (shame on you), ...but having one agreement with the clown, doesn't make me admire or vote for him. Reasonable people can distinguish the two, right?
    Same issue, if you voted for him for 1 reason, that's fine, we all do that, for it's all that we have to choose from sometimes. But realize that the guy's, uncouth, unrefined, unschooled, arrogant, deceitful, abusive and a train-wreck, and then we can take your other views more seriously.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Figures, an apostate buddying up with an antiChrist religion.
     
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  4. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Republics don’t end in a Red Dawn type of episode. The institutes of government become tools of the dictator - they retain their names and outer appearance - like TV channels that change format.....currently, there is no longer learning on the learning channel, history on the history channel or music on MTV. The same thing is happening to our institutes of government; justice has been replaced by cronyism in the DOJ, a rubber stamp in the Senate, and a House without the power to even subpoena witnesses; even traffic court can do this.

    “Trump unbound is not a pretty thing. Craven and vindictive firings of his putative enemies, blatant signals to the Department of Justice that it's his way or the highway. His fearful minions salute; his critics punch jello.” - Anonymous
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    I was expecting the head of John the Baptist to show up after that staged performance.
     
  6. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Exposing cockroaches to the light is never a pretty thing. And he has not even started. When the bogus Mueller Witch Hunt began, Trump should have appointed an INDEPENDENT COMMISSION to investigate Obama, Clinton, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Holder, Rice, Lynch, Mueller, Rosenstein, Wray, McCabe, and all the Deep State operatives at the DOJ and FBI. Most of them are either still there, or walking around freely instead of being behind bars.

    Now it is time to investigating Pelosi, Shiff, Nadler, and that whole bunch of cockroaches pretending to uphold the Constitution while shredding it to pieces. They should be prosecuted for sedition and treason. They all talk about the rule of law and violate the laws and the Constitution without a second thought.

    They all participated in an ILLEGAL COUP to take down a duly and legally elected president who has done what his presidential powers allow him to do. At another time and place, they would all be facing a firing squad.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    he absolutely isn’t done yet! Soon he will have complete control. You will have your King

    William Barr’s interview

     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    True story
     

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  9. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    He has done MORE for the common working American that ANY President in the last 100 years.
    And the alternative is unthinkable for a true christian.

    Abortion is THE NUMBER ONE crisis of our times and the most efficient killing machine that the world has EVER known - and President Trump has done more to fight against it that ANY other president.

    Shame on you for claiming Christ and consciously fighting to keep abortion legal.
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    WRONG.
    Time for a Bible and History lesson . . .

    NEITHER Sola Scriptura nor Sola Fide are taught or mentioned in Scripture. And Romans doesn't teach Sola Fide.
    As a matter of fact - your Protestant Father Martin Luther had to ADD the word "Alone" to Rom. 3:28 in his German translation. The ONLY place in ALL of Scripture - OT and NT - where you will see the words "faith alone" is on James 2:24, where it says emphatically:
    James 2:24

    See how a person is justified by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

    Your buddy Luther HATED the Book of James and called it, "The Epistle of straw", because of its emphasis on faith and works.
    He even tried to REMOVE it completely, along with Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation because they were "TOO CATHOLIC."

    As for Sola Scriptura - NOWHERE can this FALSE doctrine of men be found on the pages of Scripture.
    The Scriptures ARE Authoritative - but Christ Himself that His CHURCH had Final earthly Authority. He told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER it ordained on earth would ALSO be ordained in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

    THAT is SUPREME earthly authority . . .
     
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    Listen, we can go on all day whether or not something is in scripture or not, either way, i still hold to my position.
    You know that you are outrageous with you assumptions, ...Luther is not my buddy, on any level.

    Point is, the Bible teaches us ,i.e. has set the example of what a systematic theology is. The 3 main revelations in the NT are Faith over works, Gentiles into the Kingdom, and Christ as the suffering Messiah.
    The amount of prophetical attestation. The amount of didactic and explicit chapters, paragraphs and verses on the issue. The amount of implicit pericopes on the issue... All are emphatic, solicitous and incessant in trying to impress these principles on their audience.

    Trinitarian Millard J. Erickson - Research Professor of Theology at S.W. Baptist Theological Seminary (Southern Baptist) in his book on the Trinity, "God in Three Persons"
    "This doctrine in many ways presents strange paradoxes...It was the very first doctrine dealt with systematically by the church, yet is still one of the most misunderstood and disputed doctrines. Further, it is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture, yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to the Christian faith" (p. 11-12).


    Professor Shirley C. Guthrie, Jr. - (Trinitarian scholar, in his best-selling book, "Christian Doctrine"):
    "The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity. Neither the word "trinity" itself nor such language as 'one-in-three,' 'three-in-one,' one 'essence' (or "substance"), and three 'persons' is biblical language. The language of the doctrine is the language of the ancient church taken from classical Greek philosophy" (p. 76-77).

    Trinitarians Roger Olson and Christopher Hall - In their book, "The Trinity"
    "It is understandable that the importance placed on this doctrine is perplexing to many lay Christians and students. Nowhere is it clearly and unequivocally stated in Scripture. "The doctrine of the Trinity developed gradually after the completion of the N.T. in the heat of controversy. The full-blown doctrine of the Trinity was spelled out in the fourth century at two great ecumenical councils: Nicaea (325 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.)" (p. 1-2).

    Graham Greene - Noted Catholic scholar
    "Our opponents sometime claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in Scripture...but the Protestant churches have themselves accepted such dogmas as the Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels."
     
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  12. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    And again you are off to a false start.

    Faith over works is a "main revelation"?? Works are a vital component of faith - NOT an "after effect".
    BOTH James and Paul make this adamantly clear (James 2:14-24, Paul 1 Cor. 13:1-13, Gal. 5:6) as does CHRIST Himself (Matt. 7:21, Matt. 25:31:45).
    TRUE Faith = Balief + Works (obedience)
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    As for your anti-Trinitarian heresy - posting the opinions of a few people won't change 2000 years of Christian belief.
    Nice try - but there are dissidents in EVERY age . . .
     
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    No, but my point was that these are leading trinitarians, especially Milliard Erickson. He is very well known as such. The point is, that even these men acknowledge that the doctrine is not taught in Scripture, they believe it wholeheartedly, but at least they can admit that much. You, on the other hand, cannot. BTW, I have much more quotes than just those.
    This is why i cannot take you that seriously, until you begin your thesis with that point. Otherwise, it just shows naivety, incompetence, indoctrination and fanaticism. You agree, right?

    James does not teach faith-works, he taught that one cannot have authentic faith, and be licentious and wicked at the same time. He was exposing false converts.
     
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    Ahh yes, the silver tongue by which the whole world will be deceived according to the scripture. It heralds the close return of Jesus like never before . The message for all believers is, get your house in order....be aware of what constitutes the last movements of Earths history so that the overwhelming deception about to break upon humanity will not swallow you up.....the Lord is standing at the door.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    James was fairly clear that faith and works cannot be separated. As a follower of Christ, working alone (like the Pharisees Paul was speaking about) is equivalent to spinning your wheels; and faith alone, without fruit is not profitable either - like Christ tells us.

    This relationship between faith and works only becomes complicated when Protestants try to pit it against itself, viewing it as a dualistic relationship, in order to refine Catholic doctrine
     
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    So are you in favor of hatred, resentment, extremism and terrorism? Opposing these is a deception?

    Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
     
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    The history of the Roman Catholic Church re those who uphold the word of God is recorded so none need be ignorant of its designs. Their core position and attitude towards those that hold a different view has never been rescinded not withstanding their smooth words. Deception is hereby verified. Wake up.
     
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    You mean the false histories your made-in-America cult made up? Yes, I am familiar with them, and so is every historian in the last 50 years that doesn't buy your nonsense.
     
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    You are in denial illuminator because you have not a love for the truth.
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    WRONG.

    Those Trinitarians you listed simply teach that the Trinity is not EXPLICITLY taught.
    There are MANY things in Scripture that aren't EXPLICITLY taught - but IMPLICITLY taught.

    Protestants believe in a WIDE range of things that they believe are implicitly taught - like the idea that Mary had other children - when Scripture NEVER says this.
    The Trinity is IMPLICITLY taught when you see the context of the following verses:
    Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4.

    YOUR
    problem - and the problem with ALL people who adhere to "Oneness" heresy is that you cherry-pick verses of Scripture instead of taking them ALL in their proper context.
     
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