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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by aspen, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    i see you are unable to respond to the link i provided so you are flipping the board game over - whatever.

    if you do not like my addition, which is marked, then clarify it.

    And your public comments on a public thread are my public business

    grow up, man - if you can't even have a discussion don't bother posting.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    fair enough

    yet, the convinced can never be persuaded, as well
     
  3. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Dr. Wakefield, who first started this theory that vaccines caused autism was disbarred in 2010....
    Autism study doctor barred for 'serious misconduct' - CNN.com
    His research was bogus and not one scientist has been able to duplicate his bogus findings.
     
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    Prayer Warrior Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t you know that it’s not okay to question scientists, esp. doctors *sarcasm*. They are always right...until they are proven wrong. Those who call them on their folly are considered anti-science.
     
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  5. Cristo Rei

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    Grow up why, for identifying the fact that u misquoted me. It's actually illegal to make "additions" to someones quote.
    Intentionally misquoting someone is just dishonest.

    And i said my right to refuse vaccination is none of your business

    1. “Vaccines contain toxic substances such as aluminium and mercury”
    Digesting goes in and out of your body, injecting stays in your body. So that facts remains true.
    Furthermore the allowable level of these poisons are being exceeded in some vaccines

    2. “Too many vaccines can overload the child’s immune system”
    4. “Vaccines cause autoimmune disorders, asthma and allergies”

    There have been over 4 billion dollars worth in vaccine compensations including ones for the above.

    3. “Natural immunity is better”
    Indeed, for certain pathogens, naturally acquired immunity may last longer than that acquired through vaccination. It even agrees.

    Most of the child vaccines prevent diseases which are rare, treatable and/or not dangerous
    Eg, according to the CDC, for every 1,000 people who get measles, about 1 or 2 will die.
    This vaccine, like many others, were supposed to have stopped once the pandemic had ended and used only future cases.
    But they just kept it in the schedule. Mumps, rubella and Rotavirus are also not dangerous.

    God made all the animals and plants, he gave us all we need to survive and 2 people multiplied into 7.8 billion people.
    Now all of the sudden people think that we need vaccines. They've indoctrinated the public very well indeed.
     
  6. Cristo Rei

    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    U think it's not ok for experts to question each other? That's a twisted view. Science encourages debate.
    Nothing is infallible. If it was then we would still think that the sun revolved around the earth
    Scientists also say that there isn't a God so according to your logic they are right as we cannot scientifically support Gods existence

    But as i've already said the demand for people to vaccine rape us doesn't strip us of our human rights including the right to reject vaccination.
     
  7. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    The U.S. National Library of Medicine...
    Vaccines (immunizations): MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.
    Vaccines (immunizations)

    Vaccines are used to boost your immune system and prevent serious, life-threatening diseases.

    Information
    HOW VACCINES WORK

    Vaccines "teach" your body how to defend itself when germs, such as viruses or bacteria, invade it:

    • Vaccines expose you to a very small, very safe amount of viruses or bacteria that have been weakened or killed.
    • Your immune system then learns to recognize and attack the infection if you are exposed to it later in life.
    • As a result, you will not become ill, or you may have a milder infection. This is a natural way to deal with infectious diseases.
    Four types of vaccines are currently available:

    • Live virus vaccines use the weakened (attenuated) form of the virus. The measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine are examples.
    • Killed (inactivated) vaccines are made from a protein or other small pieces taken from a virus or bacteria. The whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine is an example.
    • Toxoid vaccines contain a toxin or chemical made by the bacteria or virus. They make you immune to the harmful effects of the infection, instead of to the infection itself. Examples are the diphtheria and tetanus vaccines.
    • Biosynthetic vaccines contain manmade substances that are very similar to pieces of the virus or bacteria. The Hepatitis B vaccine is an example.
    WHY WE NEED VACCINES

    For a few weeks after birth, babies have some protection from germs that cause diseases. This protection is passed from their mother through the placenta before birth. After a short period, this natural protection goes away.

    Vaccines help protect against many diseases that used to be much more common. Examples include tetanus, diphtheria, mumps, measles, pertussis (whooping cough), meningitis, and polio. Many of these infections can cause serious or life-threatening illnesses and may lead to life-long health problems. Because of vaccines, many of these illnesses are now rare.

    SAFETY OF VACCINES

    Some people worry that vaccines are not safe and may be harmful, especially for children. They may ask their health care provider to wait or even choose not to have the vaccine. But the benefits of vaccines far outweigh their risks.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Institute of Medicine all conclude that the benefits of vaccines outweigh their risks.

    Vaccines, such as the measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and nasal spray flu vaccines contain live, but weakened viruses:

    • Unless a person's immune system is weakened, it is unlikely that a vaccine will give the person the infection. People with weakened immune systems should not receive these live vaccines.
    • These live vaccines may be dangerous to the fetus of a pregnant woman. To avoid harm to the baby, pregnant women should not receive any of these vaccines. The provider can tell you the right time to get these vaccines.
    Thimerosal is a preservative that was found in most vaccines in the past. But now:

    • There are infant and child flu vaccines that have no thimerosal.
    • NO other vaccines commonly used for children or adults contain thimerosal.
    • Research done over many years has NOT shown any link between thimerosal and autism or other medical problems.
    Allergic reactions are rare and are usually to some part (component) of the vaccine.
     
  8. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Specific diseases that are deadly and debilitating to infants and children are what is the main target of vaccines...if they were to contract the disease their chance of survival is slim...their immune system is too underdeveloped at that time.
     
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    Autistics cause autism [ASD1]. There is strong evidence that fetal cell-based vaccines [mainly, rubella & chickenpox] aggravate said autism to severity levels of 2 & 3.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Checking this out and here is what I found..
    Autism Spectrum Disorder In Depth | Boston Children's Hospital
    What causes autism?
    Despite a lot of effort in research, the exact causes of ASD are not known. There are most likely different causes in different children. Researchers have identified certain risk factors, such as having a sibling with ASD or an older father, or having certain genetic conditions, but many children with ASD don’t have these factors.

    Many studies are showing that whatever the cause, the result is changes in how the connections in the brain are organized. Most scientists also agree that genetics plays a role. Although many different genes and chromosomal changes have been linked with ASD, most genetic causes are still unknown. Some of these DNA changes may be inherited from parents, while others may occur just in the child. Research at Boston Children’s and elsewhere is exploring how they may contribute to children’s symptoms.

    In a small number of cases, a prenatal infection, injury or other medical condition is thought to be involved in ASD. While it has been suggested that some vaccines may be a cause, a large amount of research shows that vaccines are not associated with ASD.

    Contact Us
    The Autism Spectrum Center at Boston Children’s is best reached through our Call Center.
    Boston Children's Hospital
    Autism Spectrum Center
    Call Center: 617-355-7493
    Fax: 617-730-4823
    [email protected]
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Causes of Autism
    Though quite a few rare genetic disorders and toxic exposures are known to cause autism (or autism-like symptoms), most cases are considered idiopathic, meaning they are without a known cause.1 A person's biology, surroundings, and other factors may be at play—likely collectively. One postulated cause that has been disproven? Vaccinations.
    Research on this issue is ongoing, with intriguing findings coming out of top institutions.

    Again, most of the time, autism cannot be associated with a specific cause. The few known causes of autism, which are relatively rare, include:


    • Depakote (also called Valproatean), an anti-seizure medication, taken during pregnancy
    • Fragile X syndrome (a genetic disorder)
    • Rubella
    • PKU
    • Tuberous sclerosis (genetic disorder)
    • Prader-Willi syndrome (genetic disorder)

    Researchers are further exploring the connection between genetics, the environment, and autism.


    Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism
    If your child with autism was vaccinated, this did not cause their condition. The medical community has soundly refuted these theories, though a very passionate group of parents and researchers continue to disagree based on anecdotal evidence.

    increased risk of having more than one autistic child.6


    Importantly, "genetic" and "hereditary" are not the same thing. Studies have shown many cases of spontaneous genetic mutation associated with autism.7 Spontaneous genetic mutation, as the name implies, just happens—usually for unknown reasons. In other words, a child can be born with genetic differences that are not inherited, but which may be associated with autism.


    Nutrition and Autism
    Children with autism are often very sensitive to tastes and textures, and thus have limited diets.8 It may be the case that they are lacking specific nutrients important to learning and social/intellectual growth. While improved nutrition may be a helpful therapy, it seems unlikely that malnutrition can cause autism.

    avoiding vaccines not only won't prevent autism, but it places your child (and other children) at risk of diseases.


    Parental temperament has also been discussed as a potential cause of autism. Dr. Leo Kanner, the man who first identified autism as a unique condition, had the idea that cold, so-called “refrigerator” mothers caused autism. He was wrong.


    But Dr. Kanner's thought impressed a major figure in psychology, Bruno Bettelheim. Bettelheim's book, "The Empty Fortress: Infantile Autism and the Birth of the Self," created a generation of parents who carried guilt for their child's disability. Fortunately, that burden is no longer.


    As you explore the question of "what causes autism," you are likely to come across many individuals who are absolutely certain they know the answer. It's important to know, though, that the subject is highly controversial and one parent's (or researcher's) passionate statements doesn't take the place of solid research.


    A Word From Verywell
    You'd think that with so much information available, someone could tell you what caused autism in your child. But the odds are you'll never know; all possibilities are still under investigation. This can be, understandably, frustrating. Remember, though, that the reality is that the vast majority of parents did nothing to cause their child's autism.


    Though you may not determine the cause of your child's autism, you can do a great deal to ensure that your child reaches their potential and lives the fullest and happiest life possible.
     
  12. Cristo Rei

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    Well as i said most of these diseases are not "deadly" as they may kill 1 in 1000 if a child fails to get treated.
    Measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, hep b just to name a few.

    You think that mankind needs vaccines. How do u think man survived and flourished for 8,000 years without vaccines?

    Also those papers are not done independently by people who are not tied in with pharma. Pharma pays the government through corruption, oh i mean "lobbying" who in turn pays doctors. Those who don't conform get ostracized and defunded.

    There has been over 4 billion dollars worth of compensation paid to vaccine injuries but they won't tell u that.
    Vaccine makers bought a lower standard of testing compared to drugs.
    And the vaccine makers have got the government to free them of any liability.
     
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    More than 140,000 die from measles as cases surge worldwide
    Worldwide more than 140,000 people died from measles in 2018, according to new estimates from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United States Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention (CDC). These deaths occurred as measles cases surged globally, amidst devastating outbreaks in all regions.

    Most deaths were among children under 5 years of age. Babies and very young children are at greatest risk from measles infections, with potential complications including pneumonia and encephalitis (a swelling of the brain), as well as lifelong disability - permanent brain damage, blindness or hearing loss.
     
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    The WHO says that "vaccine hesitancy" is the biggest problem to world health... Are you kidding me
    Over 10 million people die every year from a disease that has been around for 4,000 years, cancer and even more die from heart disease yet their not the biggest world health problem, vaccine hesitancy is...
     
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    Your trying to distort facts by including 3rd world countries...
    The CDC say themselves that in 1st world countries only 1 or 2 deaths arise from 1,000 cases... Its there in the pdf that u linked.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    The link I gave you is the U.S. alone.
     
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    Ok USA alone then. My claim still remains valid, it's not dangerous
     
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    Deaths following vaccination: What does the evidence show?
    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC4599698

    May 23, 2015 - Approximately 45 million people were vaccinated in 10 weeks with ... There was one death due to a vaccine strain viral infection: a 3-month-old infant died ... Many vaccines have been determined to rarely cause anaphylaxis.
     
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