Baptism question that seems unbiblical

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry bro but I am not a protestant and I think I was on about Pope Frances, it's not hatred at all but exposing the fact that at the end of the day all this child molester filth just does not sit well with me, as it has been covered up for years and it has been like pulling teeth to try to deal with all this rot.
The facts of it all as I see it, regardless of denomination is that it has been covered up and that all have turned a blind eye to it all and now that it has been exposed with all the trials, still one major thing I will point out is that all of this has missed the mark, fact is that many in power knew what was going on and that it still will go on, it has not solved anything truly at all, but the cunning has only got much smarter as in how to deal with such.

I will give you an example what was of our principle of my children's RC school, it would do anything to up hold the schools reputation and it would come down on anyone with total vengeance who had a complaint, they are that well trained in dealing with any case put forward.
I have pointed out that if anyone was to make a complaint, make sure you are very well informed, do not go to the school or the police or lawyers first, because they are all corrupted and will only work against you, because so many are Satanist.
I pointed out that you best need go to an organisation that deals with such only and knows how to go about dealing with such in depth and are fully dedicated in dealing with such first, or you will not have a leg to stand on and it will be like hell to deal with. if such an organisation has one to be with you when dealing with any school, police, lawyer is best.
I have been on the Grand Jury in such cases and fact is you have got bugger all hope of convicting them and the Law has got only more power in favour of the case of the molester nowadays by far.
I have seen people with a list as long as your arm with people who have taken them to court with such cases and got off every time.
What makes people lie ? well to save face and many other things I am sure.
I try to clean up my own back yard, I am a political party member and involved in my community and talk to more people than you could poke a stick at and I know what's going on.
Did I bag Pope JP 2 or Pope Ben, no !
Sad to say that you come across as such a one that just will dismiss anything that you don't want to hear.

Yes how many people just put their head in the sand when they are informed in anyway, oh do you have the proof ? well bro did all of them kids who were molested have the proof ?
I wonder what the response was when them kids came to tell what happened only to be told, you are a hater and that your are making stupid unsubstantiated attacks, or would they of said words to the effect like your ignorant and that hatred proves you lie and don't go around pointing your finger at others.

YIKES. This reads like another foil hat-wearing, conspiracy theory spouting rant.
And I suppose the Cubans, the Mob and little green men from Mars all conspired to kill JFK . . .

The first clue in this insane rant is your phrase above, "The facts of it all as I see it" . . .
Secondly, you're either a Protestant or a dissident - which is really the same thing anyway.

When you can honestly look at Christianity from ALL sides - including your own back yard - then you're just spewing nonsense.
And, until you can provide documented proof for your ridiculous diatribe about Pope Francis - you're just another shrieking noise in the asylum . . .

 

[Stranger]

Maybe if you would stop redefining Tradition, we might get somewhere. You are way off. You also keep ignoring development of doctrine.
One might loosely define tradition as the authoritative and authentic Christian history of theological doctrines and devotional practices. Christianity is fundamentally grounded in the earth-shattering historical events in the life of Jesus Christ (His incarnation, preaching, miracles, passion, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension).

Eyewitnesses (Lk 1:1-2; Acts 1:1-3; 2 Pet 1:16-18) communicated these true stories to the early Christians, who in turn passed them on to other Christians (under the guidance of the Church's authority) down through the ages. Therefore, Christian tradition, defined as authentic Church history, is unavoidable, and is a very good thing: not a “bad” thing at all. Tradition is Not a Dirty Word — It's a Great Gift

But your mental block remains.

It's obvious you have no understanding of development of doctrine, and no understanding of the foundation of the Church, just what you have read of false histories, and have no clue what "obedience to the Pope" means, just the superficial nonsense from fundamentalists and a quote from a dissident theologian.

Another definition from the catechism that's invisible to you:
75 "Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline."32

In the apostolic preaching. . .

76 In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:

- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";33

- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".34

. . . continued in apostolic succession

77 "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority."35 Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."36

78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes."37 "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."38 Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Transmission of Divine Revelation
(yet you still abuse the term "Tradition" because it's a man made tradition to do so.)

Oh yes. No one has any understanding but you and BreadOfLife. That is the crux of both your arguments. You have to be right because the Roman Church and pope says so.

Praise God the Eastern Church split away from you early on. Praise God for the Reformation saints who split away from you later. And praise God for who all else leaves you that He has opened their eyes.

Stranger

 

[Helen]

And I suppose the Cubans, the Mob and little green men from Mars all conspired to kill JFK . . .

Wow mean they didn't ???


( BTW I do strongly believe in The Conspiracy of the One World Government.)

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

YIKES. This reads like another foil hat-wearing, conspiracy theory spouting rant.
And I suppose the Cubans, the Mob and little green men from Mars all conspired to kill JFK . . .

The first clue in this insane rant is your phrase above, "The facts of it all as I see it" . . .
Secondly, you're either a Protestant or a dissident - which is really the same thing anyway.

When you can honestly look at Christianity from ALL sides - including your own back yard - then you're just spewing nonsense.
And, until you can provide documented proof for your ridiculous diatribe about Pope Francis - you're just another shrieking noise in the asylum . . .

Oh boy you are really a one to just dismiss anyone regardless.

Do you totally understand what the word Catholic truly means bro.
All Christians are Catholic but not all are Roman Catholics.

I am pointing out to you that I don't like Pope Frances at all, it's my opinion and I don't know any true Christian who does, but sadly I know so many atheist who think he is the greatest pope, now can you understand why that as ? and the little dictating Socialist Politically Correct Marxist rat bags love him and the media love him and that's a big turnaround from the past and sadly you can't even see this is going on.

Oh and you claim that I am what you are saying, now that is going to far don't you think and how did you know all this, did your mob kill JFK, well maybe they did.

As I see it meant, I am not Hercule Poirot.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh boy you are really a one to just dismiss anyone regardless.

Do you totally understand what the word Catholic truly means bro.
All Christians are Catholic but not all are Roman Catholics.

I am pointing out to you that I don't like Pope Frances at all, it's my opinion and I don't know any true Christian who does, but sadly I know so many atheist who think he is the greatest pope, now can you understand why that as ? and the little dictating Socialist Politically Correct Marxist rat bags love him and the media love him and that's a big turnaround from the past and sadly you can't even see this is going on.

Oh and you claim that I am what you are saying, now that is going to far don't you think and how did you know all this, did your mob kill JFK, well maybe they did.

As I see it meant, I am not Hercule Poirot.

And, apparently YOU don't know what "Roman Catholic" means - so allow me to educate you.

Not ALL Catholics who have the Pope as their earthly head are "Roman" Catholics. There are TWENTY Rites that comprise the Catholic Church. Some of these include the Melkite, Byzantine, Maronite, Coptic and so on - and they are ALL in full communion with each other and the Pope.
I belong to the Latin/Roman Rite. There is no "Roman Catholic Church".

A Parish might identify itself as a "Roman Catholic" Church - but it is referring to the RITE - and NOT anything else.
If you are a Catholic - you appear to be totally ignorant of this point.

As for your hatred of Pope Francis - who cares?? Certainly NOT me.
That's your problem . . .

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

And, apparently YOU don't know what "Roman Catholic" means - so allow me to educate you.

Not ALL Catholics who have the Pope as their earthly head are "Roman" Catholics. There are TWENTY Rites that comprise the Catholic Church. Some of these include the Melkite, Byzantine, Maronite, Coptic and so on - and they are ALL in full communion with each other and the Pope.
I belong to the Latin/Roman Rite. There is no "Roman Catholic Church".

A Parish might identify itself as a "Roman Catholic" Church - but it is referring to the RITE - and NOT anything else.
If you are a Catholic - you appear to be totally ignorant of this point.

As for your hatred of Pope Francis - who cares?? Certainly NOT me.
That's your problem . . .

What makes you think that I am ignorant of that or any other point,.
Who said I did not like Pope Ben or Pope JP 2.
Pope Frances is a Satanist and it sticks out like dogs balls, the fool claims that Islam is the same God as Christianity, well every other Pope before him must of been wrong, he is in bed with the Zionist so called Jews.
Do you remember JP 2 and the media hounding him for years to accept the State of Israel, fact is he never did, because the RCC regards it's Israel by inherence.
The media made out that Pope JP 2 was a idiot day in day out, simple minded TV media presenters jumping up and down ranting about a subject they truly had no idea in depth about, but for an obvious point that dilatants could only perceived about the State naming it's self Israel, a great name to be sure but is it true at all ?
Well the true educated Jews who follow the OT don't claim it is Israel, but the Satanic Zionist only make that claim and anyone who swallows that nonsense is a fool and a traitor to God, sure you can call a State what ever as a token and that maybe ok, but not insist that it is Israel when in fact it is not.
Not to mention that the Star on the Zionist flag is Satanic and has nothing to do with Israel at all but a Satanic work of man as you should very well know if you have ever read the Bible and know that the Menorah should truly be on the flag.

I think I pointed out do you know what the word Catholic means, not who claims to be.
Problem is, is Pope Frances in communion with Jesus Christ ? surely he is not, he is in cahoots with Satan and the World, peddling Socialism that's mans works that want's to destroy God for stupid Idols and gods, Pope Frances never says Jesus Christ only god, because he is serving the Political Correct god he openly worships.
Pope Frances if he was a true Pope he should be warning people about the dangers of Socialism and Political Correctness is just total folly that enslaves people under totally corrupted mad men who's ignorance and malice has all ways been unrivalled.

I am sure you are a Socialist dear bread old boy, because you should care that I don't look up to Pope Frances and that many true Catholics despise him as well and I say this because I fear for your Soul. I am a Brother in Christ Jesus and you talk of just brushing others to the side ?

Get your self a decent Catholic Bible and read up on the doctrinal guide, I know that the New catholic Bibles are rubbish, so you will have to get an old one before the rot set in with Vatican 2 diverted from the Holy Spirit first and foremost and embraced the worldly to openly.

I will pray for you to see the light.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What makes you think that I am ignorant of that or any other point,.
Who said I did not like Pope Ben or Pope JP 2.
Pope Frances is a Satanist and it sticks out like dogs balls, the fool claims that Islam is the same God as Christianity, well every other Pope before him must of been wrong, he is in bed with the Zionist so called Jews.
Do you remember JP 2 and the media hounding him for years to accept the State of Israel, fact is he never did, because the RCC regards it's Israel by inherence.
The media made out that Pope JP 2 was a idiot day in day out, simple minded TV media presenters jumping up and down ranting about a subject they truly had no idea in depth about, but for an obvious point that dilatants could only perceived about the State naming it's self Israel, a great name to be sure but is it true at all ?
Well the true educated Jews who follow the OT don't claim it is Israel, but the Satanic Zionist only make that claim and anyone who swallows that nonsense is a fool and a traitor to God, sure you can call a State what ever as a token and that maybe ok, but not insist that it is Israel when in fact it is not.
Not to mention that the Star on the Zionist flag is Satanic and has nothing to do with Israel at all but a Satanic work of man as you should very well know if you have ever read the Bible and know that the Menorah should truly be on the flag.

I think I pointed out do you know what the word Catholic means, not who claims to be.
Problem is, is Pope Frances in communion with Jesus Christ ? surely he is not, he is in cahoots with Satan and the World, peddling Socialism that's mans works that want's to destroy God for stupid Idols and gods, Pope Frances never says Jesus Christ only god, because he is serving the Political Correct god he openly worships.
Pope Frances if he was a true Pope he should be warning people about the dangers of Socialism and Political Correctness is just total folly that enslaves people under totally corrupted mad men who's ignorance and malice has all ways been unrivalled.

I am sure you are a Socialist dear bread old boy, because you should care that I don't look up to Pope Frances and that many true Catholics despise him as well and I say this because I fear for your Soul. I am a Brother in Christ Jesus and you talk of just brushing others to the side ?

Get your self a decent Catholic Bible and read up on the doctrinal guide, I know that the New catholic Bibles are rubbish, so you will have to get an old one before the rot set in with Vatican 2 diverted from the Holy Spirit first and foremost and embraced the worldly to openly.

I will pray for you to see the light.

First of all - you were ignorant of what "Roman Catholic" means because you used it incorrectly.

Secondly - I never said a thing about you disliking ANY Pope other than Pope Francis.

As for what "Catholic" means - it comes from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Finally - I can see by your final 2 remarks in RED that you are just another wacky radical Traditionalist dissident who rejects the 2nd Vatican Council.
Good luck with that . . .

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

First of all - you were ignorant of what "Roman Catholic" means because you used it incorrectly.

Secondly - I never said a thing about you disliking ANY Pope other than Pope Francis.

As for what "Catholic" means - it comes from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Finally - I can see by your final 2 remarks in RED that you are just another wacky radical Traditionalist dissident who rejects the 2nd Vatican Council.
Good luck with that . . .

No you got it all wrong once again, what is the RCC doctrine concerning the word Catholic in depth.
Traditionalist yes I do reject Vatican 2 but I do understand why they went that way and once thought it a good thing in many ways but now I know it tuned it's back on the Holy Spirit and Jesus, for a works of man nonsense and when I was born again of the Holy Spirit I came to understand this.

Good luck with you Satanic mate Pope Frances.
If the people who follow Pope Frances are correct then all the other Popes must of been wrong and all of them must of gone to Hell, but I am sure to be sure that anyone following Pope Frances is going down the wrong path that leads to Hell.

Are you a Socialist ? do you support the RCC doctrine that is called Americanism.

I can't stand this Pope and that's the point, no true Christian could support such a cunning creep that supports worldly views. he is pushing for a one world religion full of lies and no Jesus Christ as it's Head, he rejects Jesus and the Bible and only talks of god, not God.
Islam and the Jew religions do not regard Jesus Christ as the Son of God, now no one can come to the Father but through Jesus Christ.
Mans works can not cut it because they are as filthy rags. Socialism has always been a failure, not to mention murdered more people than the history of the world, it is Satanic, it only works to lead fools astray and at the helm of all this is the worship of their Idol Political Correctness madness controlling all the people under the heading of equality, that truly is just equal nothings that must obey the ones who are leading all astray we now have to put up with Satanic Marriage, bestiality Sodomites are regarded as equals, you name it and it's on the cards and where is your stupid Pope on all this, he is in bed with it all backing up so called Priest Child Molesters, what a moronic clown !

 

[BreadOfLife]

No you got it all wrong once again, what is the RCC doctrine concerning the word Catholic in depth.
Traditionalist yes I do reject Vatican 2 but I do understand why they went that way and once thought it a good thing in many ways but now I know it tuned it's back on the Holy Spirit and Jesus, for a works of man nonsense and when I was born again of the Holy Spirit I came to understand this.
Good luck with you Satanic mate Pope Frances.
If the people who follow Pope Frances are correct then all the other Popes must of been wrong and all of them must of gone to Hell, but I am sure to be sure that anyone following Pope Frances is going down the wrong path that leads to Hell.
Are you a Socialist ? do you support the RCC doctrine that is called Americanism.
I can't stand this Pope and that's the point, no true Christian could support such a cunning creep that supports worldly views. he is pushing for a one world religion full of lies and no Jesus Christ as it's Head, he rejects Jesus and the Bible and only talks of god, not God.
Islam and the Jew religions do not regard Jesus Christ as the Son of God, now no one can come to the Father but through Jesus Christ.
Mans works can not cut it because they are as filthy rags. Socialism has always been a failure, not to mention murdered more people than the history of the world, it is Satanic, it only works to lead fools astray and at the helm of all this is the worship of their Idol Political Correctness madness controlling all the people under the heading of equality, that truly is just equal nothings that must obey the ones who are leading all astray we now have to put up with Satanic Marriage, bestiality Sodomites are regarded as equals, you name it and it's on the cards and where is your stupid Pope on all this, he is in bed with it all backing up so called Priest Child Molesters, what a moronic clown !

And all of your accusations and insanely paranoid diatribes are based on nothing but your own fanciful imagination.
Not ONE single shred of evidence regarding Pope Francis's "Satanism" or Socialism or "One world Church". Just a lot of noise from a dissident Catholic.

You haven't just rejected Vatican II - you've rejected Christ himself . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

 

[mjrhealth]

You haven't just rejected Vatican II - you've rejected Christ himself .

Nah He like us is standing in opposition to the antichrist whom you keep promoting. Your church, mens religion, all of them, has nothing to do with Jesus.

1Co_6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.'

But men have

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nah He like us is standing in opposition to the antichrist whom you keep promoting. Your church, mens religion, all of them, has nothing to do with Jesus.

1Co_6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.'

But men have

2 Pet. 3:16
Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction (You), as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.

 

[mjrhealth]

2 Pet. 3:16
Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction (You), as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.

Eze_22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Do really have a LOVELY DAY

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eze_22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Do really have a LOVELY DAY

And again . . .
2 Pet. 3:16
Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction (You), as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.

 

[mjrhealth]

And again . . .
2 Pet. 3:16
Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction (You), as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.

Oh you mean this bit

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

YEs keep digging taht grave its only getting deeper. No one can agree with you, not even catholics of whom you are supposed to belong..

God bless

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

And all of your accusations and insanely paranoid diatribes are based on nothing but your own fanciful imagination.
Not ONE single shred of evidence regarding Pope Francis's "Satanism" or Socialism or "One world Church". Just a lot of noise from a dissident Catholic.

You haven't just rejected Vatican II - you've rejected Christ himself . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

What a wonderful dude you really are, if I have rejected Vatican 2 what of all them before it ? were they lost.

I believe that the Vatican was infiltrated by the same type of Mob that destroyed the Tribes of Israel and Judah, they crept in unawares, the last real Pope, Pope Paul was murdered and a imposter took his place.

WW2 was the work of Satanic cunning grubs that was all planed to set the stage so as to bring themselves up into total power over all. fanciful imagination maybe but it all lines up to look to be truth.
Hitler did his job and got the Zionist Jewish State prepared for the rule of Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) fact is that Hitler was in bed with the Zionist because he was one himself, the Zionist hated all the other true Jews and they worked with the Nazis killing them, I know this because I know a bloke who said that's what he did, saved some for good money getting them out and others who did not fit into the Zionist plan were given up.
Hitler was never killed and no evidence was ever found worth jack, but just total BS that would not stand up in court at all.
Look at the State of Israel now what is it, is it the safe haven that it was to become for the Jews ? no it's Sodom and just look at the USA now and what do you see Sodom, Europe Sodom, Australia Sodom, all the Christian Churches preach Sodom now, they are all under the power of Political Correctness, this is the trump card for Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) it's uses to destroy freedom of speech and brings morons to power over the people, like Hitler and all the Communist you name it, that's how such people got to power and it's a fact.
Democracy is worthless unless it's a healthy democracy and a stupid people only becomes Mob rule, the foundations of our democracy are under attack by Satan.

Pope Leo warned about the future of such.

Many True Jews that follow the OT in the State of Israel live in fear of the Zionist and hate what it has become, it's not a safe haven for the OT followers at all, so what's the point of the State, it was given for this very reason only, so they could protect their religion from persecution, not to become a Super power.

Bread old bean, you should comment on subjects and not just dismiss everything, I have come across many who use that type of game play that are just playing the game for their own Mob.

Al I am saying is look out things are not as they seam, the people who Jesus warned us about were murders from the beginning are still at large, they are not a race at all but a Mob like Cain was driven by their own ego and ignorance.

 

[epostle1]

Oh yes. No one has any understanding but you and BreadOfLife. That is the crux of both your arguments. You have to be right because the Roman Church and pope says so.

When and where did the Pope say any such thing?

Praise God the Eastern Church split away from you early on. . Praise God for the Reformation saints who split ................away from you later. And praise God for who all else leaves you that He has opened their eyes.
Stranger

The moral deficiencies of the original Protestant so-called "reformers" were the MOTIVE, for their apostasy. It was not merely that they were sinners. They were sinners who apostatized BECAUSE of their sins.

I think you are confused. If Henry VIII did not want to divorce his sacramentally married wife, marry his chippie mistress, steal Church lands and use the money to pay off his personal debts, England would still be Catholic. Henry VIII made himself 'head of the Church" in England. He had more mistresses than wives and he killed several of those. He used his 'religious authority' to ignore the teaching of Our Lord and Savior on divorce and serve his own lusts. he was also guilty of greed, egoism, cruelty, murder, extortion, and irreligion.

If Martin Luther did not suffer from severe bipolar manic-depressant illness with frank psychosis during his periods of mania, he would never have invented a purely formal definition of 'righteousness' that was evacuated of all moral content and inspired millions of others to settle for a sub-Christian notion of discipleship…
Luther lived with his paramour for 1 1/2 years before marrying her. He was complicit in the bigamy of Philip of Hess. He encouraged gangs of thugs to invade convents and rape the nuns therein.

If Zwingli the priest had not been a sex crazed rogue who seduced the young women in his congregation... and frequented prostitutes

If Calvin had not been an egomaniac who had murderous intent towards anyone who disagreed with him and in fact executed many people under horrendous conditions; he treated the Genevans so badly that they threw him out of town, but in the social chaos that ensued they invited him back so he could use his form of dictatorial repression to stabilize the social disaster the 'reform' had created. And there are the credible charges of his own private vices.

If Knox had not been part of the assassination team that murdered Cardinal Beaton...

- Cranmer was Henry's foil to destroy the Church. He had a secret wife in Germany while he pretended to be a celibate priest.

All in all they were total moral reprobates and hypocrites. Forgive me for not finding them worthy to challenge Historic Christianity, especially when their false doctrines were at the service of their personal vices.

The faults of the so-called "reformers" are central to their apostasy.

To turn around and complain that some Catholics may not have been nice is besides the point. No matter how mean some of them were, they stayed in the Church. Jesus said that he had come to save sinners, not righteous people. In light of that, claiming that Catholics were sinners therefore someone needed to found a new Church makes no sense! Sinners need to be in THE Church and no other.
stranger sez: Praise God for the Reformation saints who split away from you later. what a joke.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha, there's always another side to a human story huh

 

[BreadOfLife]

What a wonderful dude you really are, if I have rejected Vatican 2 what of all them before it ? were they lost.

I believe that the Vatican was infiltrated by the same type of Mob that destroyed the Tribes of Israel and Judah, they crept in unawares, the last real Pope, Pope Paul was murdered and a imposter took his place.

WW2 was the work of Satanic cunning grubs that was all planed to set the stage so as to bring themselves up into total power over all. fanciful imagination maybe but it all lines up to look to be truth.
Hitler did his job and got the Zionist Jewish State prepared for the rule of Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) fact is that Hitler was in bed with the Zionist because he was one himself, the Zionist hated all the other true Jews and they worked with the Nazis killing them, I know this because I know a bloke who said that's what he did, saved some for good money getting them out and others who did not fit into the Zionist plan were given up.
Hitler was never killed and no evidence was ever found worth jack, but just total BS that would not stand up in court at all.
Look at the State of Israel now what is it, is it the safe haven that it was to become for the Jews ? no it's Sodom and just look at the USA now and what do you see Sodom, Europe Sodom, Australia Sodom, all the Christian Churches preach Sodom now, they are all under the power of Political Correctness, this is the trump card for Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) it's uses to destroy freedom of speech and brings morons to power over the people, like Hitler and all the Communist you name it, that's how such people got to power and it's a fact.
Democracy is worthless unless it's a healthy democracy and a stupid people only becomes Mob rule, the foundations of our democracy are under attack by Satan.

Pope Leo warned about the future of such.

Many True Jews that follow the OT in the State of Israel live in fear of the Zionist and hate what it has become, it's not a safe haven for the OT followers at all, so what's the point of the State, it was given for this very reason only, so they could protect their religion from persecution, not to become a Super power.

Bread old bean, you should comment on subjects and not just dismiss everything, I have come across many who use that type of game play that are just playing the game for their own Mob.

Al I am saying is look out things are not as they seam, the people who Jesus warned us about were murders from the beginning are still at large, they are not a race at all but a Mob like Cain was driven by their own ego and ignorance.

I've engaged in conversations with enough with paranoid dissidents and frantic conspiracy theorists like YOU in the past to know that a lack of faith is not your only problem.

Suffice it to say, I will pray for you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh you mean this bit
Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
YEs keep digging taht grave its only getting deeper. No one can agree with you, not even catholics of whom you are supposed to belong..
God bless

And again, you have proven my pont about ignorant and unstable people like you perverting the Scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16) . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

And again, you have proven my pont about ignorant and unstable people like you perverting the Scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16) . . .

ye BOL just undoing yourself again. Like a stuck record.

God bless