Born Again = Not a Sinner

[Michiah-Imla]

Sin is not found in the Born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation in Christ"

Yet we are warned:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)

And what is a “Born again Spirit”?

More unbiblical “Political” talk I see…

 

[Michiah-Imla]

1.) Those Hebrews are not saved.

THE WRITER OF HEBREWS WAS SAVED!!!!

HE SAID:

“For if we WE WE sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

IF WE SIN!

US!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Also, a Minister often uses "WE"< when he is talking to a GROUP.
He does not mean himself, every time, as often he means THEM.

When did this happen?

When someone says “We” he means “them”?

This is just more ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED crazy talk!

 

[Behold]

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, …

Paul said to "reckon the old man dead" as it is "crucified with Christ".

Your body, reacts to what your eyes see, and your ears hear..but that is not who you are, if you are born again.
The body is dead because of sin.
The Spirit, is circumcised from the body, by unseen hands, and it exists "In Christ" "one with God". = Born again.

So, you only want to preach that you are your body and you are the old man.
And that is what you believe, and that is why you are not able to see what im teaching.
You prefer to think not in a renewed mind, and so, that is why all you post is self, and works, and concerns about losing Salvation.
Its where your faith lives, and that is broken faith.

 

[Behold]

When did this happen?

Start here.. Christian Noob.

1 John 1:9

Hebrews 10:26

See, if you studied your bible, instead of living on a fourm trying to ruin the real faith of real believers, i would not have to deal with you as if you've only been saved for 30 minutes.
But, that's what you brought to me.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Spirit, is "circumcised from the body

This is unbiblical.

The word SPIRIT and CIRCUMCISED don’t even appear together in the same sentence in the Bible.

 

[Behold]

This is unbiblical.

The word SPIRIT and CIRCUMCISED don’t even appear in the same sentence in the Bible.

Its Colossians 2:11 ...

Try reading that instead of Hebrews 10:26 all the time., tho you wont understand it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Its Colossians 2:11 ...

Try reading that instead of Hebrews 10:26 all the time.

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:” (Colossians 2:11)

Where’s the word SPIRIT at?

:smlhmm:

 

[Behold]

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:” (Colossians 2:11)

Where’s the word SPIRIT at?

:smlhmm:

See, it was in the bible......and you didnt know it......AGAIN.

And were is the Spirit found in that verse?

Its the word "YE".

See, this is a spiritual circumcision, "not made with HANDS"......= GOD DID IT inside the person.

This is the New Birth, Michiah-Imla.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Christian Noob.

1 John 1:9

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

Good point.

But the “we” in Hebrews 10:26-29 were blood sanctified saints as the text says.

John also said “he” here, not “we”:

“…he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

See, it was in the bible......and you didnt know it.....

No it wasn’t.

Its the word "YE".

You’re ADDING to scripture:

“In whom also ye SPIRIT are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:” (Colossians 2:11)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

See, this is a spiritual circumcision, "not made with HANDS"......= GOD DID IT inside the person.

But You said:

The Spirit, is "circumcised from the body

The text says:

“In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Colossians 2:11)

And that’s all well and good.

But:

“…Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

 

[Behold]

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
Good point.
But the “we” in Hebrews 10:26-29 were blood sanctified saints as the text says.
John also said “he” here, not “we”:
“…he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)

So, because John said He and not we, you now believe that He is not talking about Himself, as that would make as much sense as you thinking and believing that when he say WE to the Christ rejecting Hebrews, He is talking about himself.


Listen,
It really just comes down to one aspect.

If you can't see, or understand that Salvation, is Christ on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and this is not anything you can do or keep......its only something you can receive and then become "made righteous"...by this Salvation that was Completed..
Until you can see that first basic revelation of "CHRIST IS SALVATION", if you have Him in you, is WHY You have Salvation......= Hebrews 13:9, then the bible will not help you, and you will continue exist as " fallen from Grace."

 

[Taken]

It doesn’t matter if you can’t comprehend it, but the fact remains O proud one:

You already proved with your own words, your lack of understanding, the differences between receiving knowledge and receiving baptism of the Holy Spirit.

You already proved yourself incapable of understanding when expressly shown your error.

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

WE = BORN AGAIN (like the inspired writer).

And you continue to affirm you do NOT Know, in DIRECT contrast to Scripture, the Born Again are Converted and CAN NOT SIN.
(1 John 3:9)

You teach OUT of Context and invalid application.
Step by step were shown your error.
It is called admonishing.
And again OUT of Context you arrogantly accuse Pride.

If you are your own teacher, for you to do well, seek another teacher.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the Born Again are Converted and CAN NOT SIN.
(1 John 3:9)

Correct.

So if he does sin, it will be a willful act on his part. Because he can longer hide under the umbrella of sin having dominion over him.

 

[Taken]

So, because John said He and not we, you now believe that He is not talking about Himself, as that would make as much sense as you thinking and believing that when he say WE to the Christ rejecting Hebrews, He is talking about himself.


Listen,
It really just comes down to one aspect.

If you can't see, or understand that Salvation, is Christ on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and this is not anything you can do or keep......its only something you can receive and then become "made righteous"...by this Salvation that was Completed..
Until you can see that first basic revelation of "CHRIST IS SALVATION", if you have Him in you, is WHY You have Salvation......= Hebrews 13:9, then the bible will not help you, and you will continue exist as " fallen from Grace."

@Michiah-Imla Obviously Can NOT understand the VERY BASICS of a Preachers JOB, is to preach ONE Sermon, and the individual LISTENER is supposed to KNOW what does and does not apply to him.

A first time listener, should know the Preacher Speaking of the Born Again, is NOT speaking to the first time listener.
A man listener, should know the Preacher speaking of a Pregnancy is not speaking to a man.
A Male Preacher saying we should be caring husbands, is contextually True...even though the Male Preacher is unmarried.

It matters not if the Preachers says, we, us, IF WHAT the Preacher is saying Doesn’t Apply to the Individual listener, it Doesn’t Apply!

Simple and long time concept. Disturbing that is not a common understanding.

 

[Taken]

Correct.

So if he does sin, it will be a willful act on his part. Because he can longer hide under the umbrella of sin having dominion over him.

NO! Do you understand what Can NOT means?
It means NOT POSSIBLE!

Do you know WHY it is NOT Possible?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if he does sin, it will be a willful act on his part. Because he can longer hide under the umbrella of sin having dominion over him.

NO! Do you understand what Can NOT means?
It means NOT POSSIBLE!

Yes.

He cannot sin.

And in light of all scripture this obviously means that he cannot sin as long as he sows to the Spirit (Galatians 6:8), he continues in God’s goodness (Romans 11:22), grounded and settled in the faith (Colossians 1:23) keeping Christ’s commandments (John 14:21).

And if he walks in the integrity of his heart God can even PREVENT him from sinning!

“And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.” (Genesis 20:6)


Voila!

It all fits together without twisting or making any scriptures void.

 

[robert derrick]

If you are a prophet, then blue pigs can fly, Robert.

So, here is what Paul says about a perfected Discipleship..

"Christ, ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".... over the flesh, the world and the devil.

What is that Victory?
Its to live above what you are talking about, and not to exist in it or as it.

See, religious people, and the deceived Christians were told, were led to believe, or just decided.....that Its not possible to live holy.

Remedy they were taught ??? = Sin a little then confess it all away.

See that lie?
Millions of believers bought that lie and OWN IT.

This problem with that concept is that God is able to live through You, His Holiness, but YOU, and any other person, or believer.....can not live God's holiness by trying to do it.

Why?
because when you try to do what God can only do through you, then you exit here, ...."apart from me you can do NOTHING"... Jesus said.

Prophecy fulfilled: no answer.

You were a sinner saved by faith alone, and now you are not a sinner by doctrine only.

The only feet you have on the ground are unclean ones, like every other sinful worker of the flesh on earth.

 

[Taken]

Yes.

He cannot sin.

And in light of all scripture this obviously means that he cannot sin as long as he sows to the Spirit (Galatians 6:8), he continues in God’s goodness (Romans 11:22), grounded and settled in the faith (Colossians 1:23) keeping Christ’s commandments (John 14:21).

And if he walks in the integrity of his heart God can even PREVENT him from sinning!

“And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.” (Genesis 20:6)


Voila!

It all fits together without twisting or making any scriptures void.

And in light of all scripture this obviously means that he cannot sin as long as he....

No. “NOT as long as he”... <—- THAT makes a mans Salvation keeping Dependent upon a Converted mans EFFORT.

AS LONG AS he....applies to a believer, who is not converted.