Taken
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Your statement supports the slow degradation of a God fearing, religious, Christian world.....Satan is winning.....
My statement supports Freewill.
Are you only supportive of your Freewill and not others?
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My statement supports Freewill.
Are you only supportive of your Freewill and not others?
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Your statement supports the slow degradation of a God fearing, religious, Christian world.....Satan is winning.....
why do you care if the Pope wants legal protection for people who are traditionally marginalized? He is not advocating for church recognition or making it a sacramental union.
and, are you planning to break away from the authority of the Vatican?
Devil you. Did I say all people are as you claimed.thanks for the reply, second, that, as a christian should not concern you.......
is that your opinion?
again is that your opinion?
again, is that your opinion?
so you think all people are Slaves ! dupes ! or atheist or is it Satanist? what about you, you believe in three person, when the Lord Jesus clearly states that God is a "he". so do you include yourself in the list you gave?
we all have been decieved at least once, and before we can tell our brother or sister to get the mote out of their eyes, we need to get the beam, the WHOLE beam out of our eyes first.
now before calling the pope Satanis, look in that mirror of righteousness and see if any horns are on your head first.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
I do not believe in three person ? that's your opinion. not to mention I agree with the RCC doctrine as to the trinity.
The Media did say that he is the peoples Pope, just like they called Crown Prince Charles 1st wife, The peoples Princess, yes they did ! and that is because the media were truly claiming that they owned her and they sure did, just like they own Pope Frances, they have him in their pocket, just like they did with Obama and that's why you see they slag off at them people they do not own, because they can't own them and control them in fact. but Trump they do not own and the other Popes before Pope Frances were slag off on 24/7 remember that. them Popes were not owned.
Why do you tell me what should concern me, does your mob say to it's followers X Y and Z does not concern you ? such comes across just like Nazi Germany or Communism to me. they tell you what is your concern and what is not, oh and Political Correctness is a follower of that same line of Satanic dribble. do your horns bother you 101G, is that your tag number 101 and G is for Goat is it. not to mention what is this nonsense about you claiming to be, The Spiritual Saboteur. that sounds Goat like act too me.
We all know that degenerates that reject Jesus Christ are tempers and so we should have partnerships unions for non Christians and Marriage only for Christians, when Jesus Christ came he pointed out the facts about Marriage, remember the Law was given to divorce only due to the hardness of ones heart only.
Lawful unions is one thing and Christian Marriage is another, one is under Christ Jesus and the other is of this world, this world is winning taking power over Christians by every means of stealth to bastardise everyone.
Remember all Socialist demand that everyone must be classed as equal, now on the fact of this that sounds good but it's only when one bothers to delve into such deeper, then you will find that you have only been duped into the lowest denomination and became only a number too your Godless captives. not to mention that Communism sounds good as well on the fact of it, but it's just like the Bible says it's likened to a Kike a shining white washed pyramid that people have a desire to touch and have but when one touches on such in reality you will find it's full of dead mans bones and the stench of death, that it is in fact. such is Mans works.
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The pope should be lead those gay or lesbian into a group of charity and pray for them to the Lord for their spiritual health, gay or lesbian are "brainwashed" victims that should be released from evil domination of their brain. Because gay marriage are the devil's work against the creation of man & woman. He should be aware of the sins & evil works behind those regulations, and he should repent and cancel those regulations.
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Good Morning Taken,
I believe God gave man the freewill to choose good or evil. To sin or not to sin. Freewill too support Him and his agenda or support Satan and his agenda!
According to God the homosexual act is a sin. Man has the freewill to agree with or support or vote for laws that promote sin. You have used your freewill to agree with or support laws that pro sin! I have used my freewill to do the opposite.
Do you believe it is the will of God that man (governments) legally recognize same sex unions OR is it the will of Satan?
You said that it was "disgusting" that they demanded their same sex union commence in Gods house! Why is it disgusting if they are allowed to be 'married' in Gods house but not disgusting if they are standing on the sidewalk out in front of Gods house? Does the change of location by 50' make it NOT disgusting?
Keeping it focused on Him...Mary
Taken
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You start off with an accusation...
But
You neglected to Quote me regarding your accusation.
Cheap.
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HI Aspen,
I care because it goes against Church teaching and Christian values. Do you care if a person promotes something against your values and Christian values?
The pope is not the authority on nor does he decide Catholic teaching. What he is promoting is his teaching. The Magisterium is the authority. So the real question is why did the pope break away from the authority of The Magisterium and the teaching of The Church?
Do you agree with his stance?
Curious Mary
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Hi taken,
You used your freewill to "AGREE with the Pope". The pope has used his freewill to promote laws that are pro sin (the act of homosexuality).
You used your freewill to publically affirm that you don't care "If two people of the Same Gender choose to be Yoked Together in a BINDING Legal Agreement"!
You said that "Not once Does God Promote or Condone or Offer His Blessing OF two persons of The Same Gender Willingness to Engage In a Sexual Relationship between those Two persons" but you then go on to promote legal same sex unions which is the opposite of what God promotes!
You used your freewill to say YES to the "Recognized Lawful Civil unions partnerships for SAME genders persons" when God says NO to it!!
Enough quotes for ya'?
Cheap Mary
Taken
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Dear Cheap Mary,
I used my Freewill to express acknowledgement of other people's FreeWill.
I used my Freewill to express
A desire that other people using theirs Freewill, would Not in the process Trample the Sacredness of a marriage between a man and a woman.
I used my Freewill to express TO you to not talk for me, but quote my own words, to which you respond with your own words.
Not in one instance of me exercising my Freewill did I Speak Against God.
Learn to be considerate of other people's Freewill to speak for themselves and use the Quote feature!
The Pope is Apostate, as there were earlier reports that he denied Deity of Jesus!
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Hi taken,
Ummmm...I did quote you.
Every sentence in my response to you that had quote marks around it is what YOU wrote kiddo. ;)
None the less.....are there any other sins that you think should be promoted/supported by legalizing them?
Curious Mary
Taken
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Hi taken,
Ummmm...I did quote you.
Every sentence in my response to you that had quote marks around it is what YOU wrote kiddo. ;)
None the less.....are there any other sins that you think should be promoted/supported by legalizing them?
Curious Mary
Not rocket science.
Acceptable quote;
Unacceptable quote;
"Ummmm...I did quote you"
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Oh...I see. So if I would have hit the multiple quote or reply button that would be acceptable to you???
Sooooo.....what other sins would you like to promote by supporting the legalization of them?
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If those Catholics who disagree with the Pope's statement, calling him a heretic and saying the Pope should not be believed or followed in this, doesn't this make these dissenters in effect Protestants?
It would seem that they are protesting the Pope's teaching authority in a manner that reflects the early years of the Reformation when the ex-Catholics were leaving that magisterial authority and moving into something new. Many of these supposed conservative Catholics are actually Protestants of the Old Catholic sect variety. They seem to have the patina of Catholicism but have left it for a Mary-centered liturgical religious cult.
I think that behind Pope Francis' statements is that he is thinking about the Catholic church's teaching on conscience. See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, numbers 1777-1782.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.
1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:
Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise.... [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.50
1779 It is important for every person to be sufficiently present to himself in order to hear and follow the voice of his conscience. This requirement of interiority is all the more necessary as life often distracts us from any reflection, self-examination or introspection:
Return to your conscience, question it.... Turn inward, brethren, and in everything you do, see God as your witness.51
1780 The dignity of the human person implies and requires uprightness of moral conscience. Conscience includes the perception of the principles of morality (synderesis); their application in the given circumstances by practical discernment of reasons and goods; and finally judgment about concrete acts yet to be performed or already performed. the truth about the moral good, stated in the law of reason, is recognized practically and concretely by the prudent judgment of conscience. We call that man prudent who chooses in conformity with this judgment.
1781 Conscience enables one to assume responsibility for the acts performed. If man commits evil, the just judgment of conscience can remain within him as the witness to the universal truth of the good, at the same time as the evil of his particular choice. the verdict of the judgment of conscience remains a pledge of hope and mercy. In attesting to the fault committed, it calls to mind the forgiveness that must be asked, the good that must still be practiced, and the virtue that must be constantly cultivated with the grace of God:
We shall . . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.52
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53
I think that the crux of this issue is as follows: Pope Francis is sensitive to religious freedom and the conscience. I think that his idea of an acceptance of civil unions for homosexuals has its roots in the basis of the Catholic teaching regarding conscience, and that matters which involve disputes concerning conscience which have especial weight. I doubt that the Pope is really seriously questioning his church's teaching about marriage as only being between one man and one woman. I think that, ultimately, he is concerned about religious and civil freedom for homosexuals. I think that he views civil unions as civil legal contracts merely and not as marriage in the ecclesiastical sense.
It would seem that they are protesting the Pope's teaching authority in a manner that reflects the early years of the Reformation when the ex-Catholics were leaving that magisterial authority and moving into something new. Many of these supposed conservative Catholics are actually Protestants of the Old Catholic sect variety. They seem to have the patina of Catholicism but have left it for a Mary-centered liturgical religious cult.
I think that behind Pope Francis' statements is that he is thinking about the Catholic church's teaching on conscience. See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, numbers 1777-1782.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.
1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:
Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise.... [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.50
1779 It is important for every person to be sufficiently present to himself in order to hear and follow the voice of his conscience. This requirement of interiority is all the more necessary as life often distracts us from any reflection, self-examination or introspection:
Return to your conscience, question it.... Turn inward, brethren, and in everything you do, see God as your witness.51
1780 The dignity of the human person implies and requires uprightness of moral conscience. Conscience includes the perception of the principles of morality (synderesis); their application in the given circumstances by practical discernment of reasons and goods; and finally judgment about concrete acts yet to be performed or already performed. the truth about the moral good, stated in the law of reason, is recognized practically and concretely by the prudent judgment of conscience. We call that man prudent who chooses in conformity with this judgment.
1781 Conscience enables one to assume responsibility for the acts performed. If man commits evil, the just judgment of conscience can remain within him as the witness to the universal truth of the good, at the same time as the evil of his particular choice. the verdict of the judgment of conscience remains a pledge of hope and mercy. In attesting to the fault committed, it calls to mind the forgiveness that must be asked, the good that must still be practiced, and the virtue that must be constantly cultivated with the grace of God:
We shall . . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.52
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53
I think that the crux of this issue is as follows: Pope Francis is sensitive to religious freedom and the conscience. I think that his idea of an acceptance of civil unions for homosexuals has its roots in the basis of the Catholic teaching regarding conscience, and that matters which involve disputes concerning conscience which have especial weight. I doubt that the Pope is really seriously questioning his church's teaching about marriage as only being between one man and one woman. I think that, ultimately, he is concerned about religious and civil freedom for homosexuals. I think that he views civil unions as civil legal contracts merely and not as marriage in the ecclesiastical sense.
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Hi taken,
You used your freewill to "AGREE with the Pope". The pope has used his freewill to promote laws that are pro sin (the act of homosexuality).
You used your freewill to publically affirm that you don't care "If two people of the Same Gender choose to be Yoked Together in a BINDING Legal Agreement"!
You said that "Not once Does God Promote or Condone or Offer His Blessing OF two persons of The Same Gender Willingness to Engage In a Sexual Relationship between those Two persons" but you then go on to promote legal same sex unions which is the opposite of what God promotes!
You used your freewill to say YES to the "Recognized Lawful Civil unions partnerships for SAME genders persons" when God says NO to it!!
Adam and Eve used their freewill to eat from the tree of knowledge! Was God happy with them?
Enough said....Mary
Taken
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The "Quote Feature" distinguishes who said what!
It would be considerate to all for you to use the QUOTE FEATURE!
Sooooo.....are you still putting off becoming Converted?
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Hi bukka,
The answer is NO, it does not make the dissenters Protestant. You got it backwards. Let me help you out.
The Magisterium makes doctrine/dogma or what is approved teaching for The Church. The Pope does not.
Since the Pope's statement is OPPOSITE of what The Church teaches then it is the Pope who, according to your scenario, would be the dissenter and in effect a Protestant.
Hope that helps!
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thanks dodge ball......I knew you wouldn't answer.
I see when you get backed into a corner and can't defend what you have said or your logic you become condescending sooooooo I will end it here kiddo!
Respectfully, Mary
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