Can a tare become saved?

[Behold]

Why are you twisting John's words? When he said "we" that includes him.

John does not have sin.

His sin is found on Christ who died for it.

See, you dont understand The Cross of Christ., yet., much less what it means to be born again. @Spiritual Israelite

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are obviously not a Pastor, Apostle, or Evangelist or Teacher.........

That is not up to you to decide. But, you think you are? The person who tries to change "we", "ourselves" and "us" into "they", "themselves" and "them"? You are delusional if you think anyone would even dream of considering you, a person who is full of himself and imagines himself to be sinless, to be a pastor, apostle, evangelist or teacher.

So, let me show you...

When an Evangelist or Teacher (Me) or any Pastor is giving an "alter call"..
That is where the Pastor or Minister, offers unbelievers in their Church, the opportunity to trust in Christ and be forgiven and become a Chrisitan...........they will say..........."So, we all need Jesus....we all need to be forgiven.. we all need to be saved".

See that?
I do that....and any real Minister will, including the Apostles, when they are leading (unbelievers) men/women, to Christ.

LOL. No true teacher twists the word of God the way you do. Do you not think that you need Jesus anymore?

WE use.........>"WE".........when we are talking to THEM about their need for Jesus.....yet we dont need to be saved, as WE are already saved, but we say.....>"now WE need to trust in the Lord"....to them.............yet WE already have trusted in Jesus, @Spiritual Israelite .

LOL. Total nonsense. You don't think you need to continue trusting in Jesus after you first become born again/saved? You are delusional. You are a false teacher.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually, becoming a "new Creation" in Christ means you are "in Christ"......and joined to God and Christ as "one with God".

This is "spiritual Union" with them, and there is no sin found there, or you could not have spiritual Union with God and Christ.

So, you dont understand The Cross, or the blood atonement, or the new covenant... or what it means to be born again.

So, thats As i thought........and now you'll just keep proving it, with more posts.... @Spiritual Israelite .

You have no understanding of grace! Grace doesn't stop once you are born again! We need God's grace and the blood of Christ to be saved in the first place and we continue to need it afterwards to help us keep our faith until the end. You have no idea of what you're talking about.

Tell me, what are warnings like the following about if we are sinless after being born again and don't have to be concerned anymore about being deceived?

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

I believe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. I suppose you will try to say that when he says "we" and "our" here, he's not including himself? LOL! I can't take you seriously.

 

[Behold]

That is not up to you to decide.

It is for me to discern, you.
So, God does not put people into the Ministry, who can't even understand The Cross of Christ.
Beleive it........and fella, you dont understand the Blood Atonement, or the New Covenant, or what it means to receive ""the gift of righteousness".
Now maybe some on this forum who are spiritual kiddies can't figure you out, but i did, in about your first post, today that you sent to me.

Im talking miles over your head, and all im doing is teaching "baby christian" ...... understanding of what it means to become born again.

But, you think you are?

In the Ministry, For longer then you've been alive, more then likely.

See, i only teache "Pauline theology"......Paul's doctrine.
You have none of this as your understanding....yet.

The person who tries to change "we", "ourselves" and "us" into "they"

i didn't change it......I just explained that some verses in the NT, are not directed to the born again, as doctrine.
You dont know this, because you are not a real student of the NT yet

 

[Behold]

You have no understanding of grace! Grace

God's Grace is The Cross of Christ.
Its "the Gift of Salvation" that is the "blood Atonement".
Its the "imputed righteousness of Christ".

Its the FREE = "Gift of Salvation" and the "Gift of Eternal life".

We need God's grace and the blood of Christ to be saved in the first place and we continue to need it

Listen little one.

The same blood of Jesus that washed away the sin of a beleiver 2000 yrs ago, will be doing it for Christians in 2025, until forever.

Think on that before you waste more of your time confessing your sin so that you can try to keep yourself saved.

Tell me, what are warnings like the following about if we are sinless after being born again and don't have to be concerned anymore about being deceived?

The reason that a Chrisitan is "sinless" is because "God hath made Jeuus TO BE SIN for us"..........and also because of the "imputed righteousness of Christ".

This never ends.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Being saved has happened......its not something you hold unto.......its something that is called "born again".
You can't stop being born again.

Also......"GOD who began SALVATION = in all the BORN AGAIN.......will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to Complete it".""""""


And also..

if we believe not, yet God abideth faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
ASV
if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself.
AMP
If we are faithless, God remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself.
AMPC
If we are faithless [do not believe and are untrue to Him], He remains true (faithful to His Word and His righteous character), for He cannot deny Himself.
BRG
If we believe not, yet God abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
CSB
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
CEB
If we are disloyal, he stays faithful” because he can’t be anything else than what he is.
CJB
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
CEV
If we are not faithful, he will still be faithful. Christ cannot deny who he is.”
DARBY
if we are unfaithful, *he* abides faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
DLNT
if we are faithless, that One remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
DRA
If we believe not, he continueth faithful, he can not deny himself.
ERV
If we are not faithful, he will still be faithful, because he cannot be false to himself.

I believe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. I suppose you will try to say that when he says "we" and "our" here, he's not including himself? LOL! I can't take you seriously.

Im not concerned about what you think, as ive read your theology and its not mature nor does it indicate that you are an actual NT student.

Listen,
Paul probabiy wrote the book of Hebrews...

And in Heb 6 & 10 you find Him dealing with unsaved JEWS (Hebrews) .. who are "willfully sinning".....
That means they are knowingly rejecting their Messiah...and Paul tells them....if you do that, there is "no more sacrifice for your sin".........as Jesus is the only sacrifice available, and they are rejecting Him.

If you read Acts 28:28, you find the same situation.......and its Paul and the unbelieving Jews, as you find it again in Hebrews 6 & 10

Now, heretics, teach that these verses are "given to Christians" and of course that's not true, but Heretics are not dealiing in truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is for me to discern, you.
So, God does not put people into the Ministry, who can't even understand The Cross of Christ.
Beleive it........and fella, you dont understand the Blood Atonement, or the New Covenant, or what it means to receive ""the gift of righteousness".
Now maybe some on this forum who are spiritual kiddies can't figure you out, but i did, in about your first post, today that you sent to me.

Im talking miles over your head, and all im doing is teaching "baby christian" ...... understanding of what it means to become born again.





In the Ministry, For longer then you've been alive, more then likely.

See, i only teache "Pauline theology"......Paul's doctrine.
You have none of this as your understanding....yet.



i didn't change it......I just explained that some verses in the NT, are not directed to the born again, as doctrine.
You dont know this, because you are not a real student of the NT yet

Look here, fella. The Holy Spirit is my teacher, not you. You are a false teacher who tries to teach that someone cannot be considered to be born again and saved unless they are not sinning, which blatantly contradicts the fact that immature Christians struggle with sin and need to work on being more mature while pursuing holiness and righteousness. But, that is something we continue to pursue throughout our Christian lives. You think you have already arrived at perfection and sinlessness when the reality is that only Jesus was sinless! You think you don't need Jesus anymore! You are deceived and a false teacher!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

See, i only teache "Pauline theology"......Paul's doctrine.

What does "Pauline theology" mean exactly? You only accept Paul's teaching and not the teaching of the rest of scripture or what? Is Pauline theology any different than Jesus theology or Peter theology or John theology? Paul did not teach anything that is different than what Jesus taught or what Peter taught or what John taught or what is taught in the rest of scripture. He may have wrote about a few things that no one else wrote about, like the mystery of us all being bodily changed at the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:51-52), but it's ridiculous to refer to "Pauline theology" when we should use all of scripture, including Paul's letters but not exclusively Paul's letters, to form our doctrine and theology.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 6
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

11 Likewise you also, [a]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Anyone who is in Christ 'does not sin', 1 John 3: 5-9 teaches us .
But what part of us is that> It is the part of us as a New Creation in Christ.
This is nothing to do with our body of flesh and blood, our carnal side can sin, our body dies-is dead because of sin, but the sins are all forgiven us, as in not recalled unto judgment of eternal death as we if we are New Creation in Christ, spiritually alive to God, in the Spirit and we are 'not in the flesh. regarded that way by God any longer.

It is also why we are PERFECTED in the New Covenant, we have been perfected FOREVER.

Some supporting doctrines on that.
Hebrews 10

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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1 John 3, and how bout that v5-9 verses, Apostle John is defining sin differently than how we tend to think of sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of [a]God! Therefore the world does not know [b]us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Sin and the Child of God​

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

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Especially so in verse 9!
v9, and the Holy Spirit creation of you as a NEW Creation in Christ, that part of you is without sin.
That is the part of you that God saves. All the other stuff, well it can and may burn at the judgment seat, but you, you spirit will be saved.

1 Cor 3

Watering, Working, Warning​

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone [b]defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

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2 Corinthians 5

The Judgment Seat of Christ​

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

Be Reconciled to God​

12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to boast on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not [d]imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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I have no idea if anyone will read these scriptures, agree or disagree, say they agree but don't like the way I said them, but they are there and you have to come to grips with the TRUTH yourself, hopefully the Spirit of God is working within you.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

This is a truth that if you have been made spiritually alive, then you LIVE according to the Spirit, you do not live according to the FLESH, you have been given eternal life and will never perish. You have been PERFECTED spiritually, you have been conveyed out of the kingdom of Satan and death, into the kingdom of Life and Love of His dear Son.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
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[Scott Downey]

Part 2,
Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Sonship Through the Spirit​

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e] Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

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LONG POSTS!

 

[PinSeeker]

Ive not met a Christian who is saved 40 yrs, who at some point does not get into "worldly stuff", at some point.
So, any move into this direction, is a situation where their heart is not focused correctly.

Agreed. But that does not mean they are no longer Christians, even though they may think for a time they are not. And if they are actually not, then they never were, even though they may have thought they were for... forty years, which is exactly what John is saying in 1 John 2:19... "(t)hey went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."

So, what im showing you, is the loss of faith...

It's not a loss of faith, Behold, because God is the Giver of faith... His assurance. One cannot lose what God has given, and He will not take it away. Now, one may think for a time that his or her faith is weaker than it once was, but this is because, even for Christians, as Jeremiah says, "(t)he heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" (17:9) If one thinks he has lost faith, then if he or she is worried about it, I would call that a good sign, and actually proof positive that he or she has it.

You just lied.

LOL! No... <smile>

I have not stated to you, or to anyone that "faith is manufactured".

Well, good. I didn't say you said it, but your words seem to have implied it, and I just stated such. Thank you for affirming.

I told you that Paul teaches that every person has "the measure of Faith"...

Right, but not God-given faith. Only Christians born again of the Spirit of God have this God-given, salvific faith. All others place their faith in... all sorts of things having ultimately to do with creation, which they worship instead of the Creator, because they have exchanged the truth for a lie, as Paul says in Romans 1.

So, we choose what we BELIEVE...

Humanly speaking that's absolutely true. But at any given time in our lives, we believe according to our heart, and who (or Who) we are of, who (or, again, Who) our father (or Father) is. So, to what you say here, why do we choose what we believe, Behold? Oh, because we have free will, right? Well, okay, yes, but... <smile> ... read on, here... <smile>

...and whom we believe in, and when we Trust in Christ then GOD WILL accept our faith, to save us.

See, I don't necessarily disagree with this. Except that if we have God-given faith, He's always going to accept it, precisely because He has given it. The way you state it seems to insinuate that God's "accepting us" as His depends first on us...

NOTE: ...which, if we were to say that, then that would be directly opposed to what Paul specifically says in Romans 9:16, that "...it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy"...​

...on us manufacturing our faith and giving it to Him as some sort of gift, and thus meriting our salvation, which would be to make faith a work of man, and in that case making grace out to be something very different from grace, which is exactly what Paul says in Romans 11:6... "at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace." And at the end of that chapter, Paul says, quoting Isaiah, "who has given a gift to Him that he might be repaid?"

So, yes, all this would be very contrary to what all the apostles, especially John, Paul, and Peter say about it... and even Jesus, Who, in John 15:16, says to His disciples ~ and again, to us by extension ~ "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide," which is exactly what Paul is saying, even referring to, in Ephesians 2 when he writes, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." So again, we may be in perfect agreement/alignment on this, but the way you state it is a bit of an issue.

Your NT understanding of "not under the Law, but under Grace" is missing...

Not at all; we are to fulfill the law of Christ, as Paul says in Galatians 6:2. But we still fail at least occasionally... <smile> ... because the "old man" o is still in us, as Paul puts it in Ephesians 4:22-24 ~ "put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." Paul acknowledges this of himself in several of his letters, to the Roman Christians in Romans 7:22-24 ~ "I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am!" ~ and to Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:15 ~ "The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost." ~ and as the writer of Hebrews in Hebrews 12:1-2 ~ "...since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the Founder and Perfecter of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."

Study 1 Jn 3:9, as that one is for the Christians, not 1:9.

John was writing to Christians in all three of his epistles; specifically in 1 John 3:9, John says Christians don't "make a practice" of sinning, which is to say they don't make a habit of it, or dwell in it. But they still fall into it at least from time to time. And so was James, who calls his hearers sinners almost twenty times in his brief epistle.

The reality is......"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law"...

Absolutely. But in this life, 'redemption from sin' and 'freedom from sin' are two very different things. One great day we will be absolutely free of sin, but in this life still struggle against it. If you don't, or if you don't think you do, then... Well, I'll just leave it at that. Do you believe there to be no longer any need for repentance? I hope not...

So, once the law is removed...

The law is not removed, and it is very relevant to us even now, not because we are under it but because it acts now as a "mirror" that points us to Jesus because of ~ among other things ~ our inability to fulfill it perfectly, and our need of a Savior, Who did, on our behalf.

, then it has no dominion, and that means the Law can't define you, as anything, ever again, if the Reader is truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious.

"You are NOT UNDER THE LAW.......but under GRACE".....and Grace defines all the born again as "made righteous" = Forever, based on The Cross of Christ.

Agreed. Absolutely. See, that's the strange thing... We agree on so much, yet you lecture me as if we don't. Yes, that's very strange. But such is being puffed up can do strange things to folks, even Christians... And sin, really... specifically pride, is surely tough to overcome... impossible in this life, really.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Behold]

Agreed. But that does not mean they are no longer Christians,

Becoming a Christian is a spiritual birth.
Its eternal.

It's not a loss of faith, Behold, because God is the Giver of faith..

God is not the giver of Faith in Christ.

God is only the giver of "the measure of Faith".

Right, but not God-given faith. Only Christians born again of the Spirit of God have this God-given, salvific faith.

You have put your theology into Calvinism overdrive.

Calvinism is a "doctrine of devils".

Dont believe it, and dont teach it.

Humanly speaking that's absolutely true. But at any given time in our lives, we believe according to our heart,

Again.......once a person has given God their Faith in Christ......God then redeemes them with Christ's Sacrifice.

If later the person has no faith, that has no bearing on what God has already completed.

= Once born again, = always born again.

says to His disciples ~ and again, to us by extension ~ "You did not choose Me, but I chose you

Yes, this is a specific situation, regarding them.
We are not them.....so, when Jesus said they were chosen.........He is not talking about becoming a Christian, as that time none of the aposltes were Christians, they were just disciples.

So, what we have to do, is never apply a Jewish verse, as doctrine for a Christian, as if you do that, you have created a false theology.

Paul teaches us to "rightly divide" the word...........and that means.......you have to discern, if the verse is applicable as doctrine to the NT Body of Christ, or not.

Not at all; we are to fulfill the law of Christ,

Jesus has fulfilled the law for us.....and now we are to "present our bodies as a living sacrifice to God".

This does not mean, as the heretics teach.......>"ok, now that you are saved by the New Covenant, you go back under the law and try to keep it as your discipleship".

John was writing to Christians in all three of his epistles. So is James, who calls his hearers sinners almost twenty times in his brief epistle.

Not true.
For example, 1 Jn 1:9 is the Apostle talking to unbeleivers about their UNFORGIVEN sin.

He knows that JESUS has dealt with ALL the sin of a Christian, so he would not be talking to a born again, about "if we say we have no sin".

Absolutely. But in this life, 'redemption from sin' and 'freedom from sin'

Freedom from sin and redemption, are the same.

Its walkling in the freedom, that is the failed discipleship of people who do not understand their salvation.

Paul says we are "dead to sin" so if the person is confessing it, that is because they have never learned anything about "the righteousness of God in Christ". They dont understand who they have become "IN Christ" as "ONE with God".
In other words they have not "worked out their salvation"....they are still without any real revelation regarding what this means = : "As CHRIST is.......so are the born again, in THIS world".

The law is not removed, and it is very relevant to us even now, not because we are under it but because it acts now as a "mirror" that points us

The law points the unbeliever to the Cross.
The born again have already been there and are become ... """not under the Law.......but UNDER GRACE"".

you lecture me as if we don't.

I dont lecture.

I just teach Pauline Theology to the student, and it does not allow anything else.....such as guessing or opinion or false theology.