Character

[ScottA]

That's your prerogative Scott. Remember: people are not always as they seem. I dealt with a person who was very corrupt one time. I spoke with a neighbor who said "so-and-so drove their kids on the bus and said they're really nice." But how well did the bus driver really know this person? Only on a casual basis. She talked to her for perhaps 5 minutes every few days when the bus driver picked up her kids. It's when you have up-front dealings with a person when you truly get to know their character. I had an up-front dealing with the person and they were NOT nice. I know someone who was extremely nice to me - but she didn't want my husband - she wanted a friend's. I could say: "I know Kate - she's really nice!" But was she? She didn't think twice about stealing someone's husband. It's all in your dealing with them. You spoke with Trump for a few minutes and he seemed like a regular guy - Kate seemed like a regular gal. But you don't really know Trump.

I researched this for several years and I was formerly very pro-Trump so I understand where you're coming from. I was just like you several years ago and I vociferously defended Trump. As I've said - I could be wrong - I just don't think so. There are too many things that don't add up. There is mass deception used on the American people. I urge you to read Vigilant Citizen and The Rutherford Institute. Hollywood's aim is youth.

Hebrews 5:14

“But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

I've tried hard to exercise my senses to discern good and evil. Maybe you have too. But after doing countless hours of research and copious prayer I believe that we are being led like lambs to the slaughter. It's up to God to show us the truth.

I don't mind healthy discourse - I just want things to stay civil. We're professing Christians and I don't think that any truly regenerated person would believe that God wants us to mistreat a brother who we disagree with. Arguments become heated because each person holds strong views - but we can still be civil.

I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Arthur Schopenhauer

Don't know you, or your motives. But Trump's history gives us a lot of information on which to judge him. Assaulting women and bragging about how he gets away with it. Getting nailed with a multimillion dollar judgement for fraud. Repeated bankruptcies. Betraying three wives, one after the other. Paying off a porn star to protect his candidacy, and then lying about it. Abusing children to get at their parents, including one in his own family.

Stuff like that.

And David, and Solomon...by the same approach, you would have a field day.

And then there is Mike Pence. Perhaps you should post some dirt on him.

But, no, you should not be looking for dirt, but for God; and because you found only what you were looking for, you have missed the unseen.

 

[aspen]

And David, and Solomon...by the same approach, you would have field day.

And then there is Mike Pence. Perhaps you should post some dirt on him.

But, no, you should not be looking for dirt, but for God; and because you found only what you were looking for, you have missed the unseen.

So you are comparing Trump to David and Solomon? Why? because Trump is a man after God’s own heart? And the wisest ruler we’ve ever had?

 

[Enoch111]

Actually, we make a huge profit on illegal aliens. They are actually less likely to commit crimes than are native-born Americans. And since many of them come here legally, and then just overstay and work illegally, they aren't even committing a crime by being here illegally.

What kind of NONSENSE is this? Do you really believe this or are you totally confused about the difference between legal and illegal? Why don't you try and enter any country without a proper visa and demand to be accepted without any problems? Without being put behind bars.

The migrant invasion of any country is a violation of its immigration laws as well as its national security. But the Left-Liberals of America want a lawless and anarchistic country where criminals have all the rights and privileges, while the actual citizens pay for this violation of their country. This is unprecedented and unheard of in any part of the world (except Western Europe).

 

[aspen]

No. The Texas comptroller's report was the profit made after all costs were considered. The reason no one does anything substantial to stop this immigration, is that it greatly benefits the United States to have it.



That's the other thing. All the taxes they pay, such as social security taxes, go to us, and most of them will never see a penny of it. The property taxes they pay for homes or rents are also mostly to benefit us, not them.

You seem knowledgeable about this subject, Yehran - I appreciate your posts

 

[Yehren]

Yehren says:
Actually, we make a huge profit on illegal aliens. They are actually less likely to commit crimes than are native-born Americans. And since many of them come here legally, and then just overstay and work illegally, they aren't even committing a crime by being here illegally.

What kind of NONSENSE is this? Do you really believe this or are you totally confused about the difference between legal and illegal?

A lot of people don't realize that while it's a crime to come here illegally, it's not a crime to come in legally and just never go home. If you get caught, it can affect your chances of every being allowed to return, but it's a civil offense, not a crime to overstay a legal visit.

Why don't you try and enter any country without a proper visa and demand to be accepted without any problems?

Read what I wrote. Carefully. Would you like me to show you why it's not a crime to overstay?

 

[aspen]

The migrant invasion of any country is a violation of its immigration laws as well as its national security. But the Left-Liberals of America want a lawless and anarchistic country where criminals have all the rights and privileges, while the actual citizens pay for this violation of their country. This is unprecedented and unheard of in any part of the world (except Western Europe).

You sure need someone to blame, don’t you Enoch?
Liberals are your scapegoat every time.
Your rabid partisanship is exhausting
Give us a break and open your eyes!

Dualism is not compatible with Christianity
It is also manufactured by politicians to safeguard votes
There is a good reason it fits your black and white doctrine
It is cut to fit

 

[Yehren]

And David, and Solomon...by the same approach, you would have field day.

Yeah, David was not someone I'd care to have living in my neighborhood. Deplorable morals, and willing to kill so his adultery could continue. And it hardly needs to be said that someone with a huge number of wives is not as wise as he's made out to be.

And then there is Mike Pence. Perhaps you should post some dirt on him.

What has Pence done that's remotely as wicked as some things Trump has done?

But, no, you should not be looking for dirt, but for God; and because you found only what you were looking for, you have missed the unseen.

Proverbs 4:14 Be not delighted in the paths of the wicked, neither let the way of evil men please thee.

 

[ScottA]

So you are comparing Trump to David and Solomon? Why? because Trump is a man after God’s own heart? And the wisest ruler we’ve ever had?

I was only comparing based on potential for dirt...I could have named anyone, even you.

 

[ScottA]

What has Pence done that's remotely as wicked as some things Trump has done?

My point of mentioning Pence, is that you who are criticizing Trump did not mention him, but only pointed out what you see as bad.

There has been no righteous or respectable argument here. If you are against Trump, there are better ways to speak against one whom God has chosen. Have you not seen what God sees in this leadership scenario? If you did, you would have named all that is good, instead of all that is bad. As such, you may as well criticize God.

 

[Yehren]

My point of mentioning Pence, is that you who are criticizing Trump did not mention him, but only pointed out what you see as bad.

Yeah I think adultery, fraudulent business practices, payoffs to porn stars, and sexual assault are bad things. But what has Pence done that's even remotely like that?

There has been no righteous or respectable argument here.[/quote[

Proverbs 4:14 disagrees.

If you are against Trump,

I'm against the anti-Christian behaviors he's done. I pray for him to repent and change his ways.

there are better ways to speak against one whom God has chosen

.

As I understand it, God failed to register, and so did not vote in the last presidential elections. Americans have no one to blame but themselves.

Have you not seen what God sees in this leadership scenario?

Yehren checks...

Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan.

1 Timothy 3:1-2 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Galatians 5:19-26 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

As such, you may as well criticize God.

Donald Trump is not God. Nor does his behavior give any indication that he cares about God.

 

[Yehren]

But we wanted to get to the bottom of whether undocumented immigrants were committing a crime by just being in the country.

According to legal experts, the answer is that most of the time, unlawful presence is not a crime.

When we checked with the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops, Michele M. Taylor, the group’s associate director for communications, pointed to the 2012 Supreme Court case Arizona vs. United States. The majority opinion found that "as a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States."

Experts agreed. Unlawful presence is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor, said Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. It is a civil infraction that results in removal and a bar on re-entry for a certain period of time.

"Not everything that’s illegal — meaning against the law or violating the law — is a crime," Shapiro said. "There are civil violations, like when you get a parking ticket. ‘Unlawful presence’ is one of these. You don't go to jail or receive any other criminal punishment for being in the country illegally — you get deported."

Gabriel (Jack) Chin, a professor and director of clinical legal education at the University of California-Davis law school, echoed this analysis.

"It is not a crime to be present in the United States without authorization, such as by overstaying a visa," Chin said. "But such a person is subject to being deported."
Is being in the United States unlawfully a 'crime'?

 

[ScottA]

Yeah I think adultery, fraudulent business practices, payoffs to porn stars, and sexual assault are bad things. But what has Pence done that's even remotely like that?

That's not my point.

My point...well, I already explained my point.

 

[ScottA]

But we wanted to get to the bottom of whether undocumented immigrants were committing a crime by just being in the country.

According to legal experts, the answer is that most of the time, unlawful presence is not a crime.

When we checked with the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops, Michele M. Taylor, the group’s associate director for communications, pointed to the 2012 Supreme Court case Arizona vs. United States. The majority opinion found that "as a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States."

Experts agreed. Unlawful presence is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor, said Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. It is a civil infraction that results in removal and a bar on re-entry for a certain period of time.

"Not everything that’s illegal — meaning against the law or violating the law — is a crime," Shapiro said. "There are civil violations, like when you get a parking ticket. ‘Unlawful presence’ is one of these. You don't go to jail or receive any other criminal punishment for being in the country illegally — you get deported."

Gabriel (Jack) Chin, a professor and director of clinical legal education at the University of California-Davis law school, echoed this analysis.

"It is not a crime to be present in the United States without authorization, such as by overstaying a visa," Chin said. "But such a person is subject to being deported."
Is being in the United States unlawfully a 'crime'?

If their Yeah is not yeah and their nah is not nah, they should not get any Christian votes.

 

[Yehren]

Yehren says:
Yeah I think adultery, fraudulent business practices, payoffs to porn stars, and sexual assault are bad things. But what has Pence done that's even remotely like that?

That's not my point.

It was my point. If Pence hasn't acted that way, why should we criticize him as we criticize Trump?

 

[ScottA]

Yehren says:
Yeah I think adultery, fraudulent business practices, payoffs to porn stars, and sexual assault are bad things. But what has Pence done that's even remotely like that?



It was my point. If Pence hasn't acted that way, why should we criticize him as we criticize Trump?

Your point accomplishes nothing. You can drop it. But you are not paying attention, and you are missing the point of me bring Pence up.

If you have no reason to criticize Pence, don't criticize him.

But my point was that instead of criticizing God's choice of leaders, you could/should be complimenting His placing Pence, a Christian, in the White House.

 

[aspen]

Your point accomplishes nothing. You can drop it. But you are not paying attention, and you are missing the point of me bring Pence up.

If you have no reason to criticize Pence, don't criticize him.

But my point was that instead of criticizing God's choice of leaders, you could/should be complimenting His placing Pence, a Christian, in the White House.

Except that Pence is a lapdog

 

[ScottA]

Except that Pence is a lapdog

Oh...like "nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt?"

It's just amazing how characters like yourself have a way of hanging themselves. Just amazing!

 

[aspen]

I was only comparing based on potential for dirt...I could have named anyone, even you.

Hmm..
Well, how about Obama? Clinton? Both had the media dogging them....then again, neither whined about it daily, like Trump....never mind

 

[aspen]

Oh...like "nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt?"

It's just amazing how characters like yourself have a way of hanging themselves. Just amazing!

Or like, “I am rubber, you’re glue”?

 

[ScottA]

Hmm..
Well, how about Obama? Clinton? Both had the media dogging them....then again, neither whined about it daily, like Trump....never mind

Oh, no, you bring up a good point...

True, the guilty don't make as much noise.