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Joshua David

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Duckybill,

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[font="tahoma][size="2"][sup]14 [/sup]Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. SIN NO MORE, lest a worse thing come upon you." [/size][/font]


Let's look at the scripture.

John 5:5-9 [sup]5[/sup]And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
[sup]6[/sup]When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
[sup]7[/sup]The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
[sup]8[/sup]Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
[sup]9[/sup]And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

John 5:14-16 [sup]14[/sup]Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
[sup]15[/sup]The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole. <a name="16">
[sup]16[/sup]And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

This took place before the cross, so the church, as well as the Age of Grace had not even come into effect yet. Jesus was proving his identity as the Messiah here. Here is the other thing.. The guy had to have faith that Christ would heal him. Therefore, Christ told him to sin no more after he had accepted by faith that Christ could do what he said he could. So either way. This is not the same thing. I believe that this person was truly made whole, spiritually and physically. And it was after he was made whole, that Christ told him to go and sin no more. When are we made whole spiritually? When we come to Christ and enter into the Church and become a part of the Bride. Is it appropriate to tell someone in the church that they should not be sinning? Yes! I had already admitted as much.

[font="tahoma][size="2"]"These people"? Sounds like you are judging.[/size][/font][font="tahoma] [/font][/color]
[color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma][size="2"]Those who defend living sinful lives will also be held accountable.[/size][/font]


You are absolutely right I am judging. But who am I judging? I am judging those people who call themselves Christians. Just as Paul judged those 'christians' in the Corinthian church. Have I ever stated that Homosexuality was not a sin? Let' see. Allow me to quote from my own posts.

[font="tahoma][size="2"]Here is the thing. Do I believe that homosexuality is a sin? Absolutely.[/size][/font]

So I ask you, in what way do I defend living sinfully? Please quote where I said it was ok to live sinfully.

Foreigner,

[font="tahoma][size="2"]-- The gospel states that we are all sinners but that Jesus died to pay the price for our sins. It teaches that all we have to do is TURN AWAY FROM OUT SIN, accept Him as your personal Savior, and you will be saved. [/size][/font][font="tahoma] [/font][/color]
[color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma][size="2"]If you tell them to accept Jesus, but don't tell them what it entails, you are in fact being dishonest with them.[/size][/font]


Close, the gospel is that the Holy Spirit calls to us, and that we can respond to the Holy Spirit because he first called to us. Once we respond to the Holy Spirit and we accept our sinful state, and acknowledge our need for a savior, once we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, then the Holy Spirit will enter us and we become born again. It is at this point that we become Justified and are sealed unto the Day of Redemption. Then the Holy Spirit begins a Sanctification work in us, breaking the chains of sin, and allowing us to be overcomers. And one day, when we receive our glorified bodies, we will experience the Glorification, where our sin nature will finally be permanently removed.


[font="tahoma][size="2"]If the person who led me to the Lord hadn't pointed out to me that living with the woman I love outside of marraige was a sin, I would have continued to do it, assuming that since God is love and I love her then He would be fine with it, I would have continued in that sin and would have either fallen away from God due to seperation from the Holy Spirit and/or died in my sin and gotten a rude surpise when standing before God.
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I am so glad that you put that in your post because you gave a perfect example of the proper way to do it. Did this person share with you the fact that living, and more importantly sleeping with this woman was a sin before or after you came to believe on the Lord? I would bet that before you came to the church, imagine if someone would have held up a sign that said, God hates fornicators. Living in sin is getting ready to burn. If you don't leave this woman then you are going to Hell. What would have been your response? Would it have given you that nice warm fuzzy feeling? Or would you have marched out there and tell this person that if he doesn't leave you were going to punch his lights out. Would the person holding the sign have changed your mind? No! But the person that led you to the Lord. After you were led to the Lord, this person lovingly shared what God put on their heart. You might not have seen anything wrong with it at the time, but you can't tell that the Holy Spirit wouldn't have convicted your heart. But whether it is through the word of a brother or sister, or though an inward conviction, or just opening your mind up to his word, The Holy Spirit was the one who worked out your Santification in dealing with your living situation.

You witness to homosexuals just like everyone else: Let them know that you too were a sinner but that you have turned from that and you now have Jesus as your savior and are going to heaven.
You let them know that God loves them as much as He loves you and wants the best for them.


If you have ever witnessed to someone who is homosexual, though you find out that, unlike practices of other sins, many are unwilling to accept that what they do is an actual sin and they become upset because you won't agree with them.

I disagree. Try telling someone out of the church that is running around on his wife that adultery is a sin and he needs to go back to his wife. He will more than likely tell you to shut up and mind your own business, or someone who is alcoholic, or addicted to drugs, or watches porn. Homosexuality is not a special type of super sin. Sin is sin. People who are bound by sin can only be set free by coming to the church. What you have to consider is are you drawing people to Christ or pushing them away.

Christ met people where they were. He loved them, ate with them, healed them, and then told them to sin no more. He did not tell them to sin no more and then only accepted them if they were perfect and sinless. Shouldn't we do the same?

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"You are absolutely right I am judging. But who am I judging? I am judging those people who call themselves Christians." - Josh

-- So you are qualified to judge....but no other Christian is...because judging is wrong....


That about right?

LOL Did you hurt yourself with that one?
 

Joshua David

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"You are absolutely right I am judging. But who am I judging? I am judging those people who call themselves Christians." - Josh

-- So you are qualified to judge....but no other Christian is...because judging is wrong....


That about right?

LOL Did you hurt yourself with that one?

It depends on who you are judging, and what they are being judged for. As in the scriptures that I provided, Paul judged the Christians in the church at Corinth because they allowed a man to have his father's wife. He judged them for not judging that person. So when you are doing something that disparages God, or acts in a way that interferes or prevents the sharing of the gospel, then you are absolutely right, I am going to judge them. Now ultimately, does my judging them mean anything to them? No. They could care less. But they will be judged by Jesus himself, for pushing people away from a God that loves them.

1 Cor 5:11 [sup]11[/sup]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [sup]12[/sup]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? [sup]13[/sup]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]What is Paul saying here. He is saying that if a man calls himself a brother, ie a Christian, sins unrepentantly, then judge this person and do not eat with him ( do not accept him ). He is saying that He does not judge those out of the church. He expects us to judge those in the church, and to leave God to judge those outside the church. [/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]That is the problem with the people with the signs. They are judging people outside the church, instead of showing them the love of Christ. It is not our place to judge those outside the church. That place belongs to God. We are to share the gospel, and allow the Holy Spirit to change them, much like that person did who led you to Christ. What did they do. They loved you. They told you that God loved you. They told you that God desires a relationship with you. Then you saw your spiritual condition and your need for a savior. You accepted Christ and the Holy Spirit entered you. THEN after you had come to Christ, they lovingly told you that what you were doing was a sin, and the Holy Spirit allowed you to overcome that sin. [/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]This is how it is suppose to be done. This is the grace of God. It is just too bad that so many 'christians' who have been the on the receiving end of that grace are not willing to extend that same grace to someone else. God may have accepted them just as they were, sin sick, and needing a savior, but homosexuals must change before they can come to Christ. [/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]But anyone who points out this double standard must be advocating the homosexual lifestyle. [/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]Foreigner, please don't misunderstand me. I have never said, on this forum or off of it that homosexuality was not a sin. And every time I was asked, no matter who was asking, I will tell them the truth, that homosexuality is a sin. I don't support, nor do I advocate the homosexual lifestyle. But neither do I advocate what these Christians are doing either, and would challenge anyone who thinks this is acceptable behavior. There is [/color][/font]
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Excuse me. The point I'm trying to make is the state that the church is in. I don't have time to go in depth, but I have the stubborn tendency to do so. lol. It's like I can't just give you a synopsis in one or two sentences. I'm in the process of writing some letters to... But I can't really go into it now, as far as what I believe is happening throughout the body of Christ. But you will probably get a better synopsis just by reading the comments at the bottom of these videos. The videos should be working. But the major point I was making is to use your own discernment on the messages in the videos. Do you think that these ministers were preaching out of their flesh or in the Spirit?

I think my computer is having video issues. I keep getting a pop up saying, "Display driver has stopped."
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Anyway, judging by the top comment on the Todd Hall video, "You are telling the truth. If you are a homosexual. You are not save." It's probably something I would disagree with.
 

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I think my computer is having video issues. I keep getting a pop up saying, "Display driver has stopped."
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Anyway, judging by the top comment on the Todd Hall video, "[font="arial]You are telling the truth. If you are a homosexual. You are not save." It's probably something I would disagree with.[/font]
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[size="3"]Yea, that was the biggest thing I think I was trying to get across. I wanted to see if you spotted that without me telling you.

There may be something wrong with your computer. But I'll post the videos again. You may need to download flashdrive again, or whatever media player you have.

Todd Hall Speaks Against Homosexuality @ ncfjcogic.org COGIC

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JA_cz34sY3U

Prophetic messages of... scandal by Brian Carn April 2010

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6WYGmHcVgVQ

In this message, I was a little concerned with how the preacher came across, calling people derogatory names like "sissies", "punks", "booty bandits", like he was just having fun with it. I don't see how this is any different from what the says "I want you to feel bad about what you do."... but to be fair, how about we use this same rule that is talking about in this video with all sin? How about we call mean old men/ladies in the church "old hags" or "old farts", a nasty church usher a "grinch", a prostitute or woman who dresses inappropriately, a "skank", a fornicator a "slut"... Let's just have fun with it. Let's not stop there. How about we call "love offerings", "seeds" and tithing gimmicks really what they are--'fund raisers' and 'hustles'. Let's call lying cheating psychics, preachers and politicians "criminals". I'm just saying, if we're going to use derogatory terms and slang to "tell it like it is"... let's tell it all, and not have a double standard.











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Joshua David

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I have some questions for everyone who does not see anything wrong with any Christian picketing homosexuals. Please provide supporting scriptures with your answers when you can, and I promise to provide scriptures in my replies.

1) Must any sinner, including the homosexual, clean himself up before coming to Christ?

2) Is it our job to judge the sinner?

3) What will send a person to Hell, is it their sinful lifestyle or their lack of a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ?

4) Hasn't Satan quoted scripture in the past to further his own plans?

5) Assuming that you answered number 4 with a yes, couldn't you say that you can quote scripture and still not follow the Will of God?

6) and lastly, In your honest opinion, Does Christians holding up sign condemning homosexuals, are they drawing people to God, or pushing people away from them?


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1) Must any sinner, including the homosexual, clean himself up before coming to Christ?

-- Of course not. But all sinners, upon coming to Christ must acknowledge their sin and turn away from it.
If they do not, they they will not be counted among the saved.


2) Is it our job to judge the sinner?

-- Of course not. But we are called by Christ to preach the Gospel, teach the unsaved that we are all sinners, and we must turn away from sin if we are to be counted as children of Christ and avoid eternal damnation.


3) What will send a person to Hell, is it their sinful lifestyle or their lack of a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ?

-- Six of one, half dozen of another. A sinful lifestyle means a lack of relationship with Jesus Christ. A lack of relationship with Jesus Christ opens the door to a sinful lifestyle.


4) Hasn't Satan quoted scripture in the past to further his own plans?


-- Hasn't Jesus quoted scripture in the past to further his own plans?


6) and lastly, In your honest opinion, Does Christians holding up sign condemning homosexuals, are they drawing people to God, or pushing people away from them?


-- I have noticed that any Christian who doesn't support homosexuality and answers honestly when asked, is (conveniently) lumped into the group of sign holders.

Convenient trick but that is simply not the case. I have never held a sign, shouted scripture, pointed at to publically identify or ridicule a homosexual, etc. etc. etc.

Encounters I have witnessed or been involved with have ALWAYS involved being approached by a homosexual, having them DEMAND to know why I feel the way I feel, laying it out very simply but succintly, letting them know all along the way that God loves them as much as he loves me, I was a massive sinner and had to sacrifice to come to God, and God loves them enough to die for them if they will but give their lives to him.

It is the members of these groups that are then swearing, threatening violence (oh yes, they do indeed) and in the same breath calling me intolerant, hateful, homophobic, etc. etc. etc.


Please quit blanketing all Christians with the same wide behavior brush. It simply isn't the case.
 

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-- Of course not. But all sinners, upon coming to Christ must acknowledge their sin and turn away from it.
If they do not, they they will not be counted among the saved.
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[font="tahoma][size="3"]I agree with you, but look at the process that you just spelled out. All sinners (1) come to Christ (2) acknowledge their sin and (3) turn away from it. It is our job to first draw them to Christ. Then, with the Holy Spirit's help, they deal with their sin. This is how it works. Why is it important that we understand this, because if while we are 'witnessing' we concentrate on their sin, before bringing them to Christ, then all we do is drive them further away from God. This isn't sharing the gospel. This is sinful. And it is just as sinful as the homosexual practicing their lifestyle, and my be worse because we should know better. Now does this mean that we ignore sin? No... I have witnessed to homosexuals in the past. And when they asked me, I told them exactly what the bible says about the issue. I didn't shy away from it, I didn't water it down, but told them straight up that God considered it a sin, but I also told them that I was no better than them, I told them how I was a fornicator, I stole, I cheated, I did all these things and worse, so I am not there to judge them, and I didn't. I told them that I loved them, and God loved them, and that love is unconditional. I told them that God wants a relationship with him. But no matter what, he will always love them, whether they changed or not. I had friends who were gay. I loved them as a friend. They knew what I believed, and that I would love them no matter if they changed or not. Now did all of them come to God? No. But neither did my straight friends. The point is that unless they feel love, they will never listen to anything else we have to say.[/size][/font]
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-- Of course not. But we are called by Christ to preach the Gospel, teach the unsaved that we are all sinners, and we must turn away from sin if we are to be counted as children of Christ and avoid eternal damnation.
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-- Six of one, half dozen of another. A sinful lifestyle means a lack of relationship with Jesus Christ. A lack of relationship with Jesus Christ opens the door to a sinful lifestyle.
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[size="3"][font="tahoma]I disagree, they are not the same thing. Maybe I phrased it wrong.. my point was that even if they could change their lifestyle on their own, unless they have a relationship with Jesus, then they will be just as lost as if they continued in their sinful lifestyle. So it is not their quiting their lifestyle that we should be focusing on, it should be their lack of relationship with Jesus. And if that is our focus, then how does picketing signs, that say, that "God hates you" ever going to win someone to Jesus? How does demonstrating against homosexuals ever going to win them?[/font]
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[size="3"][font="tahoma]Yes, he has, but that wasn't my point. My point is just quoting scripture is not enough to say that you are doing God's work. You have to take into consideration the effect that this scripture will have on the person that you are trying to reach. Are you drawing the person closer to God with the scripture or are you driving the person away from God. Does the person feel loved, or hated? See that is the crux of the matter. Sometime as Christians, we get so focused on communicating that God hates the sin, that we never communicate that he loves the sinner. We are to reach out in love. Unless they first feel the love of God, they are going to take our message of "God hating the sin", as "God hating the sinner". In other words that "God hates them". And if that is the message that we are communicating then I see that is being sinful, because it is doing harm to the Kingdom of God.[/font]
[/size][font="tahoma] [/font][color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma] [/font][/color][quote][color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma][size="3"]-- I have noticed that any Christian who doesn't support homosexuality and answers honestly when asked, is (conveniently) lumped into the group of sign holders.

Convenient trick but that is simply not the case. I have never held a sign, shouted scripture, pointed at to publically identify or ridicule a homosexual, etc. etc. etc.

Encounters I have witnessed or been involved with have ALWAYS involved being approached by a homosexual, having them DEMAND to know why I feel the way I feel, laying it out very simply but succintly, letting them know all along the way that God loves them as much as he loves me, I was a massive sinner and had to sacrifice to come to God, and God loves them enough to die for them if they will but give their lives to him.

It is the members of these groups that are then swearing, threatening violence (oh yes, they do indeed) and in the same breath calling me intolerant, hateful, homophobic, etc. etc. etc.


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[size="3"][font="tahoma] I have tried to direct all my comments to those Christians who feel it is their God given right to demonstrate against homosexuals, or who support those that do. If you feel I am directing my comments to all Christians then I am sorry. And yes there are going to be those militant homosexuals who are just looking for a fight. And no matter what you say or no matter how you say it, they are going to swear or threaten violence. But not all homosexuals are like that. Just as not all Christians are like those people at West Bro. church. All I am saying is that we should take care how we witness, for we all will give an accounting.[/font]
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[font="tahoma][size="3"]Let me say again, I am not advocating living a sinful lifestyle. I am not saying that we should call a spade a spade. A sin is a sin. But what I am saying is that we should be careful in how we witness to people.[/size]
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The beast, the final anti-christ may be a gay man.

Consider this passage in the book of Daniel. It begins with 11:31 identifying him with the "abomination of desolation". Jesus verified this identification during His ministry.

In verse 36 it says that this person "will speak monstrous things against the God of gods".

In verse 37 it seems to reveal his sexual preference as well as his religious background.

"And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all"

The verse would be interpreted better in this way.

And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or regard for the desire(s) of women.
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I know that a lot of people interpret it the way you described but I don't believe it.

That verse may imply the oppressive and degrading nature of Islam toward Muslim women. I would be more inclined to believe that the man of sin would impose an Islamic law of widespread female genital mutilation which is a common practice in many Islamic cultures....as he will change times and laws.
 
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Some background information might be useful. The homosexual movement had to nullify the response of the church to make headway as it saw it as its strongest opponent. Satan, being as clever as he is, saw the need to distort the truth so he has orchestrated a campaign using the scriptures in two ways.

The first was to reinterpret the scriptures that talk about abberant sex, including homosexuality. Whenever the subject of what the scripture says about abberant sex, they bring up all sorts of meanings contrary to the accepted norm to justify their perverted way of life. Having done a study of this in the Greek, I know enough to know that what they say is a pack of lies and as we all know that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.

The second campaign's success is evident here. He took scripture and used it to make it a sin to mention sin. After all, they say aren't we supposed to love everyone? Isn't God a God of love so he wouldn't condemn the sinner let alone the sin. Unfortunately under this barrage of you are intolerant or a bigot because you have the audacity to mention sin we seem to spend inordinate amounts of time and words trying to justify ourselves justifying the truth of scripture.

We wilt under a barrage of accusations that we hate and are not like Jesus who never condemned anyone. He just loved them.

Now the homosexuals do not believe their own words. They are merely tools to keep you quiet so that they can sin with impunity.

Jesus was not equivical about anything. if anything he called a spade a spade. He spoke more about hell than love for the simple reason that it was a place that you didn't want to make home.

To talk about sin is to give a WARNING. it has nothing to do with a lack of love. Jesus asked the question himself "who has WARNED you to flee from the wrath to come."

The OT says that if you don't discipline a child you HATE him. That means discipline = love.

To warn a homosexual about the consequences of sin = love. To warn anyone about the consequesnces of sin = love.

The people who are unloving are those who do not WARN people about the consequences of their actions.

if you are accused of not being loving by talking about sin, there is only one answer. It would be unloving of me not to WARN you about the consequences of your sin. Doing that nullifies their argument because you are not condeming them or judging them. You are being loving as how can they know if you don't WARN them? What they are usually saying is that I enjoy my sin and I don't want to be reminded of it.

By doing this you give the Holy Spirit permisison to then convict the person of sin, righteousness and judgment.
 

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He took scripture and used it to make it a sin to mention sin.
BINGO!

To warn a homosexual about the consequences of sin = love. To warn anyone about the consequesnces of sin = love.

The people who are unloving are those who do not WARN people about the consequences of their actions.
Amen and Amen! Today's 'Christian love' is a counterfeit for Biblical love.

Satan doesn't want us to warn the wicked of their future in Hell. He wants us to leave them alone.
 

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Some background information might be useful. The homosexual movement had to nullify the response of the church to make headway as it saw it as its strongest opponent.

I think it was the anti-sodomy laws in a free society that first convinced people who are homosexual to unify into a political movement. People who are marginalized find a voice in our society by following this blueprint.

Satan, being as clever as he is, saw the need to distort the truth so he has orchestrated a campaign using the scriptures in two ways.

Why would Satan care about standing up for the rights of American citizens who have been traditionally marginalized - he hates everyone.

The first was to reinterpret the scriptures that talk about abberant sex, including homosexuality. Whenever the subject of what the scripture says about abberant sex, they bring up all sorts of meanings contrary to the accepted norm to justify their perverted way of life. Having done a study of this in the Greek, I know enough to know that what they say is a pack of lies and as we all know that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.

Hmm...I am not sure why you seem to be unwilling to consider alternate interpretations of those scriptures...they seem reasonable to me. It also seems reasonable that homosexuals have the ability to study greek too. Mel White has received advanced education in Greek and Hebrew and he doesn't share your opinion on those scriptures at all.

The second campaign's success is evident here. He took scripture and used it to make it a sin to mention sin. After all, they say aren't we supposed to love everyone? Isn't God a God of love so he wouldn't condemn the sinner let alone the sin. Unfortunately under this barrage of you are intolerant or a bigot because you have the audacity to mention sin we seem to spend inordinate amounts of time and words trying to justify ourselves justifying the truth of scripture.

It is not considered a sin. It is considered rude. Today it is just as rude to point out personal sin in others, which does not affect you as it is to speak in a derogatory manner to, or about minorities. I agree that in the recent past, it was only rude to point out the faults of white males in polite society; now we are more considerate and include women, minorities, and children.

We wilt under a barrage of accusations that we hate and are not like Jesus who never condemned anyone. He just loved them.

If you think you are enduring a barrage of accusations.......try putting yourself in the shoes of a member of a marginalized population for a second. What you are being asked to do is to follow a new norm.....about as inconvenient as wearing your seatbelt when driving or not smoking in a restaurant. Under previous norms, marginalized people were being told that they could not share the same rights and privileges as other Americans because they were despised for their behavior or appearance.

Now the homosexuals do not believe their own words. They are merely tools to keep you quiet so that they can sin with impunity.

Homosexuals do not care what you believe about their behavior because they are adult citizens of the United States of America and are endowed with the same rights to sin as you are. If you really cared about sexual purity laws, you would criminalize adultery and fornication. They craziest part is that I see nothing on this board or hear nothing about the sin of fornication or adultery from the pulpit, but I cannot say the same for the Christian's favorite sin to talk about...the one they are not tempted by.....homosexuality. How ironic it is to hear the Republican talkingpoint - keep the government out of our bedrooms - unless it is a homosexual's bedroom.....

Jesus was not equivical about anything. if anything he called a spade a spade. He spoke more about hell than love for the simple reason that it was a place that you didn't want to make home.

Really? How many times did He talk about Hell? I've heard this statistic for years, yet when I actually look up the word Hell in the gospels - I only counted 5 instances. Now I realize that Jesus also talked about Hades, and referred to Hell in parables where the actual word was not mentioned....so I added another 5 instances. Conversely, Jesus mentioned love 16 times in the gospel of Mathew, alone - that doesn't count all the instances where He acted in love or spoke about love, without using the actual word.

To talk about sin is to give a WARNING. it has nothing to do with a lack of love. Jesus asked the question himself "who has WARNED you to flee from the wrath to come."

When does a warning become harassment? Also, if warnings are the same thing as love, why did Jesus waste so much time cultivating relationships with sinners, when He could have been spending the time warning everyone about God's wrath to come?

The OT says that if you don't discipline a child you HATE him. That means discipline = love.

Homosexual adults are not your children.


The people who are unloving are those who do not WARN people about the consequences of their actions.

Yeah, why build relationships and love your neighbor through service, when we are obviously suppose to be loving them through warning.

It would be unloving of me not to WARN you about the consequences of your sin.

Ok. How often should you warn a person about the same sin? This is the part where you need to think about how many times you would liked to be warned of the consequences of your own sins. As soon as you produce a homosexual who has never heard the Christian message of Hell, I will be the first to warn, him or her.

Doing that nullifies their argument because you are not condemning them or judging them. You are being loving as how can they know if you don't WARN them? What they are usually saying is that I enjoy my sin and I don't want to be reminded of it.

Or, I have never experienced romantic love in the traditional manner and never will so I am trying to fulfill this foundational desire in the best way I know how? Without being harassed, bullied, or marginalized for it, in a free society?

By doing this you give the Holy Spirit permisison to then convict the person of sin, righteousness and judgment.

The Holy Spirit does not need my permission to convict any sinner of their personal sin - this statement is not Biblical.
 

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I can't believe those people, they make christianity look so bad ..... sometimes those alternate lifestyle types do ask for it though. I don't know we don't have a lot of rainbow parade types in Alberta Canada though.


Posted 30 January 2011 - 10:33 PM

"Hi everyone,

After returning from a wonderful retreat at my monastery, God has convicted my heart in several areas and it has lead me to a decision. After re-reading The Imitation of Christ, I have decided that God is more concerned with me spending my free time loving and serving others rather than posting on this board so I want to let everyone know that I enjoyed my time here and reading all your interesting posts, but I am going to be moving on.

God Bless!" -- Aspen


-- Apparently that whole "loving and serving others" thing didn't pan out for you. Two whole weeks, huh?

But thanks for admitting that you were never actually doing that while you were here.

Wow foriegner would you like to brag about how much you tithe now ?
 

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Daniel 12:1-13
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
Then I, Daniel, looked, and behold, two others stood, one on this bank of the stream and one on that bank of the stream, "How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?" And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that WHEN THE SHATTERING OF THE POWER OF THE HOLY PEOPLE COMES TO AN END all these things would be finished. I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, "O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?" He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. MANY SHALL PURIFY THEMSELVES AND MAKE THEMSELVES WHITE AND BE REFINED, BUT THE WICKED SHALL ACT WICKEDLY. AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND, BUT THOSE WHO ARE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND. And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days."




Revelation 22:10-11
And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."
 

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Wow foriegner would you like to brag about how much you tithe now ?

-- You come in at the end of a very long discussion between he and I, covering multiple posts over various threads...

....and that is what you come up with.


Please read up, get a clue, and come back.

Or don't. Your opinion to me holds the same level in either case.
 

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Being 'gay' is an ABOMINATION! There is no TRUE CHRISTIAN that would be willing to defend these disgusting creatures. I dont care how you put it, if you try to JUSTIFY these people, you are an ANTI CHRIST, plain and simple. Yahweh, doesn't accept EVERYONE. The bible doesn't teach that, sure you can pick a verse here, or a verse there, but you have to keep it in context with THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD. TO do otherwise, is anti-Christian as well. SODOM and GEMORRAH were destroyed because of homosexuality, interracial marriage(adultery), and drunkenness. Those cities can be found alive and well today in places like Amsterdam, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Washington DC, etc. Im quite certain the list is extensive.

They can stand on TV and accuse us of BIGOTRY, destroy our temples by somehow being allowed to preach, and blatant blasphemy directed towards the GOD OF ISRAEL, but again, we cannot speak OUR minds or else we get charged with HATE CRIMES...

Yet people STILL defend them, as if they are their own people.

Yah Bless
 

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Israelsson - are you gay? I am wondering because you seem to be so over the top in your disgust and hatred for a sin that is just as bad as any other sin.....it is often a sign of overcompensating for homosexual desires.
 

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Israelsson - are you gay? I am wondering because you seem to be so over the top in your disgust and hatred for a sin that is just as bad as any other sin.....it is often a sign of overcompensating for homosexual desires.
Why would someone who tells what God said about gays be gay? One could also say that homosexual sympathizers have homosexual desires, which seems more likely.