religusnut
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Quote "I will always look out for the rights of all citizens of the USA, in the public arena. No one should have less rights than someone else unless they give their rights up by breaking the law."
I will not comprise my beliefs as a Christian, not for anyone.
Quote: " God's laws are for God's people. He does not force His laws on others, and neither should we. The law of God takes precedence over the law of the land for Christians - not for nonbelievers. If we lived in a Christian Theocracy like the people of the OT, then the externalized law of God would be applicable to all people."
The Bible says not to be a part of our children's sin. I don't want to help any one sin.
Quote: "The Pharisee's enforced the Law, without love. As Christians we are supposed to be sharing the Love of Christ as a fulfillment of the Law. What this means is that we are supposed to share an internalized law to others in the form of love through service. Instead, many Christian continue to share the externalized law, just like the Pharisees, believing it alone is love. Unbelievers view Christians that all only sharing the law as people who just want to point fingers and demand them to follow an arcane set of rules because a God they do not believe in has created laws they do not believe in to control people He does not love. Letting people know that God is love first and then introducing the law promotes the freedom of the law, rather than bondage."
Christians who call sin "sin", they get falsely accused of being like the Pharisees. This should not be. The Pharisees did not believe in Jesus. The Pharisees followed man-made rules. Christians who call sin "sin" and say that homosexuality is a sin, these Christians are not doing anything wrong, they are speaking the Truth, and they should not be compared to the Pharisees for doing so.
Mark 7
[sup]5[/sup] So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
[sup]6[/sup] He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
[sup]7[/sup] They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’ [sup]8[/sup] You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
Quote: "Christ calls us to serve the lowly and downtrodden, not convert the lowly and downtrodden before we serve them. I think a lot of us look at the sinners Jesus ministered to as grateful and meek and compliant - when probably many of them were proud, and obnoxious and could have even flaunted their sin. Jesus still loved them - they may have walked away from him like the rich man did, but He did not walk away from them. The only time Jesus told the disciples to walk away is when people were not receptive to the gospel - internalized law in the form of love and service. The sinners had to reject the gospel before the disciples moved on to serve others."
I've heard other Christians say almost this exact same thing. But what people fail to realize, is that all were baptized with John's baptism of repentance, all except the teachers of the law and the Pharisees, that's what the Bible tells us. John the baptist prepared the way for Jesus. If the Jews repented of their sins and were baptized, and this was a preparing of the way for Jesus.....then this tells us that they admitted sin. So, I don't think you give a good account by saying many of them "were proud, and obnoxious and could have even flaunted their sin.." Also, Jesus did tell people what sinning was, and he also told people to stop sinning. So we as Christians should continue to say homosexuality is sin, as well as tell what other sins there are.
Luke 7
[sup]29[/sup] (All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John. [sup]30[/sup] But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
Luke 1:17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Read here what John the baptist says to the sinning Pharisees... He called them "vipers." And you say that Christians who say homosexuality is a sin are like the Pharisees? I think you got that turned around.
Matthew 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? [sup]8[/sup] Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. [sup]9[/sup] And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. [sup]10[/sup] The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Read here what John the baptist says to the sinning Pharisees... He called them "vipers." And you say that Christians who say homosexuality is a sin are like the Pharisees? I think you got that turned around.
I agree with that phrase becasue every time I have tried to enter into any type of dialogue here it was always tured around to mean what it did not mean and say what I did not say.