Christians and the Law of Moses

[mjrhealth]

You didn't come to Christ...you came to an imaginary version of Him that does not exist. For the Jesus that you believe in is not God...and the Jesus of the Bible is God.

You really should read you bible and than go to Christ, you paint a rather odd picture of Him. But that is what religious men do. As I said, you set your standard and by it you will be judged, Are you sure you are not SDA,becasue all teh go on about is the law.

 

[justbyfaith]

We are held as you say, to His standard, but by "your" standard we are all already dead. By your standard no man will be or could be saved, not even you. The standard you set for everyone else is teh one you will be judged by.

And that is the point. If you are going to try and save yourself by what you do (i.e. works / performance / law-keeping / obedience), you are going to fall miserably short.

The only way to enter in is through faith in Jesus Christ....through accepting His death on the Cross as a substitute...Him dying in your place, taking the penalty for your sins...and His perfect life and righteousness being applied to your account through faith.

<Blood Bought 1953> the Law has NO POWER to SAVE

To be more accurate, the law does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21). It does have the power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)) as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ (Galatians 3:24), showing you that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20).

Those misleading others are those who tell us to keep the letter of the Law, including the Sabbath. Is that what you are doing? But without the Spirit of Christ, a person does not belong to Christ.

I would just point out to you that the spiritual mind is at peace with God because it is subject to the law of God and cannot be otherwise (inverse of Romans 8:7).

So, there is an extent to which we even keep the sabbath as born again believers in Christ.

Are you sure you are not SDA,becasue all teh go on about is the law.

I read some of their books early on in my Christian life; so I cannot say that I am completely uninfluenced by them.

 

[mjrhealth]

To be more accurate, the law does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21). It does have the power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)) as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ (Galatians 3:24), showing you that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20).

The law cannot convert teh soul only Christ can do that. The law brought judgement in, no more no less, it has no power over anyone, Christ removed that when He was resurrected. It served it purpose. You keep putting that yoke around mens necks just like the SDA,


This part I agree

The only way to enter in is through faith in Jesus Christ....through accepting His death on the Cross as a substitute...Him dying in your place, taking the penalty for your sins...and His perfect life and righteousness being applied to your account through faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

The law cannot convert teh soul only Christ can do that.

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[mjrhealth]

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And which part is scripture and which part is mens babbling. But if anything keeps you from God its an idol, you think because yo read the bible you have all the answers just like all the others who read the bible and draw the same conclusion that come here and bicker and argue over whos right, simply mens wisdom and understanding which is foolishness to God.

Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

What was it Paul said

Php_3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Thna what was it Christ said

Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Still today men stay away from Him in droves.

Mar_7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Have you ever considered putting down your bible walking away from religion and seeking Him.

Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Everyone has an excuse not to.

 

[justbyfaith]

My friend, I have a relationship with Jesus Christ through His word.

And also, He has called on me to preach His word as a means by which the people who pay attention to my ministry might come to faith in Him:

2Ti 4:2, Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[mjrhealth]

My friend, I have a relationship with Jesus Christ through His word.

And also, He has called on me to preach His word as a means by which the people who pay attention to my ministry might come to faith in Him:

2Ti 4:2, Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Rom 10:17, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The bible is no relation ship, what you went to bible college, you are supposed too preach the Gospel not teh bible, you are supposed to lead men to Christ. not keep them in prison.

 

[Enoch111]

you are supposed too [to] preach the Gospel not teh [the] bible...

Do you realize how NONSENSICAL that sounds? Where do you think the Gospel is other than in the Bible? You have been pitting Christ against the Bible for ages, which makes you a wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[mjrhealth]

Do you realize how NONSENSICAL that sounds? Where do you think the Gospel is other than in the Bible? You have been pitting Christ against the Bible for ages, which makes you a wolf in sheep's clothing.

And men have replaced teh one who is teh truth, Jesus Christ with a book, and refuse to go learn from Him, that is far worse, making Him less than mens understanding, thats why there are so many wolves out there devouring His sheep, read the bible think because the read it they know every thing but know nothing, still today rejected by men.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where do you find the testimony about Christ if not the Holy Bible?

...and these are they which testify of me...

 

[mjrhealth]

Where do you find the testimony about Christ if not the Holy Bible?

For one thing the bible is not Holy, God is Holy even Christ and the angels with the Holy spirit are holy, but you speak from a religious flesh point of view, and if you had that relationship with Christ you claim you would know that answer.

...and these are they which testify of me...

but you wont

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

 

[Brakelite]

Motives, all your posts so one thing, put a heavy burden around the necks of men, As I said, you are unwilling to leave your religion and its doctrines for Christ, untill you do your motives will not change, what did that post say about fighting God, for that is what you do. You wont win.

You would have it that I turn to Christ? You think I have not?
What did Christ say as the foremost of His commandments?
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind.

Solomon wholeheartedly agreed with this because obedience and service surely is the greatest expression of love...

KJV Ecclesiastes 12
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Why should obedience therefore to God's commandments not be evidence of love for God and neighbor?
You said yourself...

Rejected Gods commandments, who would do such a thing,

And I ask again,

Can we possibly have a reasonable conversation without you trying to read my mind and judge my motives?

Apparently not.

 

[mjrhealth]

What did Christ say as the foremost of His commandments?
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind.

Exactly and what was it Christ said,

Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Why should obedience therefore to God's commandments not be evidence of love for God and neighbor?
You said yourself...

go ask Christ how many of His commandments you have broken, The law is not of love, what do you not understand. it is all based on the works of men. And no matter how you spruke it, you will not be standing there before God 10 out of ten maybe one out of ten.

Apparently not.

How can it be possible when all you do is,

Act_15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But you think and your SDA mates and all those foolish law keepers think you are better than them, you know that bit

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

We are justified only by Grace and teh works Christ has done, all you do is try make teh

Mat_23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

But you wont leave your religion because you see a piece of cloth in a tub of red dye will always be red, unless you remove it from that tub and clean it, if you cannot understand such a simple thing,??

 

[Brakelite]

Can we possibly have a reasonable conversation without you trying to read my mind and judge my motives?

But you think

Just can't help yourself.

 

[mjrhealth]

Just can't help yourself.

What to trust God, know Im sorry wont give Him or Christ up for men there religions or there foolish doctrines, and you wont change nor give up your religion and its doctrines for Him, so dont expect any of the others too, none of it is from God, not one.

Mat_15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

“Many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments. But as you can see in above scripture, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments are all separate. And it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.

EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.

Theres one of the feast days (holy days) which are to be kept by ordinance. The Lords passover

NUMBERS 28 [16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20] And their MEAT OFFERING shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [21] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [22] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [23] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his DRINK OFFERING.

Here we see the Lords passover and the meat and drink offering which are in the handwriting of that ordinance

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary...... [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

JOHN 6 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

“Many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments.

This is done to extreem in the book of Galatians. The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned once. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that were nailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments will also try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simply parts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that they will point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply that scripture to Gods 10 commandments.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND....

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

 

[amadeus]

Where do you find the testimony about Christ if not the Holy Bible?

...and these are they which testify of me...

Do you personally not have a testimony about Jesus? If you have met him and know him and are following him, surely that should be your testimony? Studying the Bible can be a good thing, but if your heart is empty, what good are the words you read or quote from it to someone else?

 

[justbyfaith]

For one thing the bible is not Holy, God is Holy even Christ and the angels with the Holy spirit are holy, but you speak from a religious flesh point of view, and if you had that relationship with Christ you claim you would know that answer.



but you wont

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

I have.

The law is not of love, what do you not understand.

Love does in fact fulfill the law; and the law is the specifics of God's love (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

Do you personally not have a testimony about Jesus? If you have met him and know him and are following him, surely that should be your testimony? Studying the Bible can be a good thing, but if your heart is empty, what good are the words you read or quote from it to someone else?

Yes, I definitely have a testimony about coming to Jesus Christ.

It had to do with how the Lord laid hold of me through something in His word.

And He has called me to preach His word in season and out of season (2 Timothy 4:2).

My heart is definitely not empty; I will say to you verily that it is filled with the love of the Lord.

This is my motivation for preaching God's word, in fact.

For I know that a man is saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8); and also that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of the Lord (Romans 10:17).

 

[amadeus]

I have.



Love does in fact fulfill the law; and the law is the specifics of God's love (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).



Yes, I definitely have a testimony about coming to Jesus Christ.

It had to do with how the Lord laid hold of me through something in His word.

And He has called me to preach His word in season and out of season (2 Timothy 4:2).

My heart is definitely not empty; I will say to you verily that it is filled with the love of the Lord.

This is my motivation for preaching God's word, in fact.

For I know that a man is saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8); and also that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of the Lord (Romans 10:17).

Thank you!
I only wanted clarification that you had a testimony. I am glad to hear that you do. The Bible certainly contains testimonies of others, but they are men we cannot readily talk to these days. If a person comes to us with no testimony of his own, but lots of Bible knowledge, should we listen to him?