What good is there in having one JW's call Jesus heading your congregation if He (Jesus) is not THE God but a god according to your doctrine? It seems you have not a Saviour because only THE God can give life!
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What good is there in having one JW's call Jesus heading your congregation if He (Jesus) is not THE God but a god according to your doctrine? It seems you have not a Saviour because only THE God can give life!
Behold
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The cross if fulfillment of the Covenant promise ordained in heaven from creation between God the Father, God the Son (Word), and God the Holy Spirit!
1 John 5:6-7 (KJV) This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 1:1-2 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:14 (KJV) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
How about you, do you believe the Scriptures? Have you been born again?
Behold
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"without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin"
This "Foreknowledge" of God, reality, is not stating that all will be saved.
Its just showing you the WHY.
The HOW, is....."All that BELIEVE", and this is based on Free Will.
The Foreknowledge of God, KNEW before we are born, WHO is going to trust in Christ, or not.
The TRUSTING is not pre-determined.......but it is KNOWN by God, before we did.
In the mind of God the Lamb's blood was shed from the foundation of the world! If not Christ would not have been the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That's why we read in Hebrews 4:3 says, "....the works were finished from the foundation of the world." And all ordained to eternal life had their names written in the Lamb's Book of life from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) For those who believe the promises of God shall NEVER fail, understand all who are foreknown of God from creation were already saved before they existed. IOW all who are ordained to eternal life are born to be saved by the blood of the Lamb according to Covenant Promise shed from the foundation of the world. And not one promise of God shall ever fail!!!
Behold
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The verb "know/knew" in both the OT Hebrew and the NT Greek, when used in the context you're speaking of here, is virtually synonymous with "love/loved." Adam "knew Eve," as we read in Genesis 4, which is to say he... well, loved her. It has to do with a purposeful action towards, and a sovereign choosing. When Paul says "those whom God foreknew" in Romans 8:29, he is talking about a limited group of people that God foreknew. It cannot mean a mere cognitive "knowing beforehand," because in that sense, He knows everyone without exception. God foreknew not everyone, but only those He chose ~ His elect~ to have mercy/compassion on, which is exactly what Paul goes on to expound upon in Romans 9-11.
Grace and peace to you.
Behold
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God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent.
He has no beginning or end.
His Knowledge, is the Same.
This means God knew you would be here today, but He didnt cause it. = FOREKNOWLEDGE.
In the same regard, He knows before we are born, everything we will ever do.... such as trust in Christ, or not.
So, this KNOWING, this FOREKNOWLEDGE< is not the same as CAUSING., and that is where Calvin failed in his "pre-destined elect" cult, Cross denying, Theology.
Calvin and those like him, can't understand that KNOWING is not the same as causing.
That God knowing it all, before it happens, (God's Foreknowledge) = is NOT the same as CAUSING it all to happen.
What commentary? I quoted from Scripture. Perhaps you don't recognize that what I've said comes from the Bible because you are the one using commentaries or perhaps the NWT of Scripture, therefore you don't recognize the words from Scripture?
The seven days of creation are certainly included in the finished works of God. However the Gospel of Christ like as a lamb slain (Isa 53) was preached even to those who lived and died before the first advent of Christ. Like you, the Gospel did not prosper many of them because they did not believe, so they did not enter into His rest, although the works (Gospel) for entering into His rest were finished from the foundation of the world. The works of Christ (the Gospel) according to Covenant promise was finished from the foundation of the world. Proof that what was ordained and finished according to promise in heaven, from the foundation of the world, Christ literally came in the Day ordained for Him to be born of man, be without sin, give His life to all who are ordained to eternal life through Him, resurrect from the dead, and ascend to heaven.
Hebrews 4:1-8 (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
David in NJ
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the WORD who was God in the Beginning was never created for HE has "no beginning and no end."
a physical body was created for God to dwell in = "and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"
"Firstborn over all creation" is only speaking of the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead
God, who has no beginning and no end, became a man that HE might taste death for every man and thru HIS sinless life HE conquered Death by the Power of HIS Resurrection and has become "the Firstborn over all creation".
Therefore the Scripture says: Revelation 1:4-8
Grace and peace to you from Him who is and was and is to come, and from the seven Spirits before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.
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You believe 1 single passage over Jesus and his real teachers-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-Coll 1:3, 2 Cor 1:3, Eph 1:3-1Pet 1:3-- Thomas was confused. But its fact, the Israelites knew Jesus has a God like us- Psalm 45:7--and would NEVER call him God. Nor give worship to one who has a God--there is only 1 God. YHWH(Jehovah) and every Israelite knew it and knows it.
Firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15) Gods image= not God)--No God did not become a man if you believe Jesus-John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ---- The Only true God sent another named Jesus as a mortal. And Jesus tells all there one must know the Father as THE ONLY TRUE GOD to get eternal life--satans deception through the religion that came out of Rome has mislead billions to serve a non existent trinity, they will not get eternal life. Because they will not believe Jesus who is 100% clear there-The Father is the only true God.
David in NJ
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Read carefully, over and over, until you SEE
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
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David in NJ
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Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He emptied/humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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