Depression

[bbyrd009]

diff+anarchy+chaos

https://www.google.com/search?q=dif...rome..69i57.5584j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Helen]

if i did nowadays, i would find the behavior that caused the headache and refrain from doing that again myself, but i also understand seeking what seems to be a miracle to relieve reaping what i have previously sown, i did that most of my life too.

Try breathing and living in SMOKE as we have had here from all the forrest fires....
How am I reaping what I have sown to "get a headache"?

 

[Nancy]

if i did nowadays, i would find the behavior that caused the headache and refrain from doing that again myself, but i also understand seeking what seems to be a miracle to relieve reaping what i have previously sown, i did that most of my life too.

Are a wholistic healthcare worker? You speak as one...I do know several but, never paid much mind to what they said. I too worked in the HC field for a long time but, my lifestyle eating habits/choices were very bad. So, today with diabetes (which I have been able to control and be pulled off of Metformin for 3 months now) High Chol. -which is now in normal range after MANY years on the evil statins-yay. There is my anxiety meds and 25mg Hydrochlorithiazide for HBP. And, I do believe my next month's visit might show that I will no longer need them. From there-Vit-d and Calcium and whole foods and exercise. These ailments have ALL been brought on by my own "seed sowing" and, I have to live with those consequences now. But as God is good, He restored much of my life back to me

 

[bbyrd009]

Try breathing and living in SMOKE as we have had here from all the forrest fires....
How am I reaping what I have sown to "get a headache"?

well, you are free to leave, i hope, but you do bring up a good point, that being that there are always exceptions, and my perspective is as limited as any, yes. But tbh, when i see smoke coming, i leave

ps, your deteriorating health, that prayer request on the other thread?
Maybe you found the problem?
i honestly mean no offense here ok Helen, but pls imagine how ridic you are going to sound trying to justify why you stayed after you are dead, ok?
all the prayers in the world will not allow you to breathe smoke and thrive

 

[Nancy]

diff+anarchy+chaos

https://www.google.com/search?q=dif...rome..69i57.5584j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So, how will order be kept if everybody is doing their own thing? Is each individual held accountable to anyone? I am curious as to how it works. I did know someone who labeled herself with being an Anarch...and from what I knew and could see, she was very peaceful within herself (she was NOT a Christian tho) I'm just wondering how something like Anarchy would pan out in real life.

 

[Truth]

Our dear friend Aspen has not been on the Site since Saturday evening.

I hope that we are all PRAYING for him.

I will continue to Pray, I also have been looking for Him, I really do not think anyone was Questioning His Faith!
Some time's when we are in turmoil, we take thing's from a wrong prospective!

 

[Nancy]

I will continue to Pray, I also have been looking for Him, I really do not think anyone was Questioning His Faith!
Some time's when we are in turmoil, we take thing's from a wrong prospective!

How true that last statement is Truth. During these kinds of periods, we can be very sensitive to even well-meaning statements from others, and some like"pull up your bootstrap" kind of comments is like telling a cripple from birth to get up and run! I only wish those who have NO idea what these things can do to our hearts, minds and souls...there is oppression and then possession...Christians, more than others are the target for this oppression...the enemy looks at our weaknesses everyday just to find the tinyist foothold and grabs on tight, it is the most helpless and hopeless feeling. But God will always bring His Children back to Himself. So @aspen , if you are reading any of these posts, just know we are praying continually for you and are here for you always Brother.
In Him always,
-nancy

 

[bbyrd009]

Are a wholistic healthcare worker?

no, started down that path, but realized the inherent conflict in "healthcare" and "worker" so i only do it for free now. i am not even interested in the field tbh, and most of them are charlatans imo, well-meaning or not. i am just a survivor who more or less blindly stumbled onto some things that are apparently working, and this is what keeps getting put in front of me. i do have a small list of...clients, i guess you would still call them, that resisted all of my attempts to dissuade them, and ponied up $1000 conditionally refundable deposit, but that model is not really doing it for me either, don't want any more. Arg, it is producing results though i guess. You are forcing me to make a very unpleasant decision here lol, i guess that is the point. Really all i got is gut repair and omega 3, with maybe a few unconventional therapies for getting over the humps, that those motivated enough to plop down a grand don't even need me for tbh, and i don't want their fake money either

 

[Nancy]

no, started down that path, but realized the inherent conflict in "healthcare" and "worker" so i only do it for free now. i am not even interested in the field tbh, and most of them are charlatans imo, well-meaning or not. i am just a survivor who more or less blindly stumbled onto some things that are apparently working, and this is what keeps getting put in front of me. i do have a small list of...clients, i guess you would still call them, that resisted all of my attempts to dissuade them, and ponied up $1000 conditionally refundable deposit, but that model is not really doing it for me either, don't want any more. Arg, it is producing results though i guess. You are forcing me to make a very unpleasant decision here lol, i guess that is the point. Really all i got is gut repair and omega 3, with maybe a few unconventional therapies for getting over the humps, that those motivated enough to plop down a grand don't even need me for tbh, and i don't want their fake money either

"a survivor who more or less blindly stumbled onto some things that are apparently working, and this is what keeps getting put in front of me." If it works...! Do yu believe it was God who led you to honour His temple and brought those things for you to "stumble upon"? I know it HAD to be Him who totally changed a lifetime of bad "Temple-care" on it's head and...I generally feel better than I have in decades! Other than all my muscoskeletal problems-from neck to the feet and much in between-all from 2 separate accidents. BUT-His grace is sufficient and I do not complain but, thank Him that I can still walk and use my hands and arms...and the extra weight I lost over the last year plus, has definitely helped with the ortho pains...rarely will I take any kind of pain pill...there are other options for me and I will accept His grace if they do not help, but they usually do-Ice, heat, Biofreeze ,Caspacian (SPARINGLY,lol)

 

[bbyrd009]

So, how will order be kept if everybody is doing their own thing? Is each individual held accountable to anyone? I am curious as to how it works. I did know someone who labeled herself with being an Anarch...and from what I knew and could see, she was very peaceful within herself (she was NOT a Christian tho) I'm just wondering how something like Anarchy would pan out in real life.

ah well, many diff interps there, many Chaos agents calling themselves Anarchist, etc, so i would recommend finding some Anabaptist person first, for a primer, a Bruderhof would also serve, and they are much more inviting even. Now none of these are true anarchist, all of them still want to tell you how you "Have to" do stuff, so Fascism in a dress basically, but you will find the real ones in there with the fake ones, and you can come to your own conclusions, the best way.

"everybody is doing their own thing" implies the Decalogue is being ignored, so this is...not the best perception i guess. Um, imo each individual is accountable to everyone, but opinions will prolly vary there, too, what i would recommend is establishing a good subjective definition for yourself and then seeking those who do those works already, work like that, and tweak as you go. I have found anarchists who insist that they are accountable to no one, and then they go give an accounting right after that, and i've found the exact opposite too, so really just like the "real world."

How did God expect "order" to be kept without a human king in 1 Samuel 8?
are you really experiencing "order" right now, do you think? Would everyone in your nation agree? Would all perceived enemies agree? Regardless of their rhetoric, they might provide valuable insight to truth if considered strictly on the merits of their claims

these are qs that might be contemplated i guess; tbh the "real world" is utter Chaos imo, and you might consider truth from a perspective other than WASP, not that it doesn't work great for the winners ok. Remember, you have had all of the good things in your life. Right?

 

[Nancy]

ah well, many diff interps there, many Chaos agents calling themselves Anarchist, etc, so i would recommend finding some Anabaptist person first, for a primer, a Bruderhof would also serve, and they are much more inviting even. Now none of these are true anarchist, all of them still want to tell you how you "Have to" do stuff, so Fascism in a dress basically, but you will find the real ones in there with the fake ones, and you can come to your own conclusions, the best way.

"everybody is doing their own thing" implies the Decalogue is being ignored, so this is...not the best perception i guess. Um, imo each individual is accountable to everyone, but opinions will prolly vary there, too, what i would recommend is establishing a good subjective definition for yourself and then seeking those who do those works already, work like that, and tweak as you go. I have found anarchists who insist that they are accountable to no one, and then they go give an accounting right after that, and i've found the exact opposite too, so really just like the "real world."

How did God expect "order" to be kept without a human king in 1 Samuel 8?
are you really experiencing "order" right now, do you think? Would everyone in your nation agree? Would all perceived enemies agree? Regardless of their rhetoric, they might provide valuable insight to truth if considered strictly on the merits of their claims

these are qs that might be contemplated i guess; tbh the "real world" is utter Chaos imo, and you might consider truth from a perspective other than WASP, not that it doesn't work great for the winners ok. Remember, you have had all of the good things in your life. Right?

Bottom line is, this world has skewed the true meanings of words, same goes for the true meaning of Socialism, Liberalism...we tend to put certain people in our own little box and close our minds to true revelation about the ROOT of EVERYTHING!!! IMB, <---figger that one out, lol...nothing on this earth will be truly united in goodness until The Perfect comes to settle debts

 

[bbyrd009]

return to Me, and I will return to you
be perfect, as I am perfect

you strike me as far and away the best man for the job wadr

 

[Nancy]

ah well, many diff interps there, many Chaos agents calling themselves Anarchist, etc, so i would recommend finding some Anabaptist person first, for a primer, a Bruderhof would also serve, and they are much more inviting even. Now none of these are true anarchist, all of them still want to tell you how you "Have to" do stuff, so Fascism in a dress basically, but you will find the real ones in there with the fake ones, and you can come to your own conclusions, the best way.

"everybody is doing their own thing" implies the Decalogue is being ignored, so this is...not the best perception i guess. Um, imo each individual is accountable to everyone, but opinions will prolly vary there, too, what i would recommend is establishing a good subjective definition for yourself and then seeking those who do those works already, work like that, and tweak as you go. I have found anarchists who insist that they are accountable to no one, and then they go give an accounting right after that, and i've found the exact opposite too, so really just like the "real world."

How did God expect "order" to be kept without a human king in 1 Samuel 8?
are you really experiencing "order" right now, do you think? Would everyone in your nation agree? Would all perceived enemies agree? Regardless of their rhetoric, they might provide valuable insight to truth if considered strictly on the merits of their claims

these are qs that might be contemplated i guess; tbh the "real world" is utter Chaos imo, and you might consider truth from a perspective other than WASP, not that it doesn't work great for the winners ok. Remember, you have had all of the good things in your life. Right?

Seems the true Anarchy looks allot like living off the grid. Self sufficient (or, in my case God sufficient, lol) It also seems a bit commune like...which, IMO, i not a bad thing in itself...I bet during the Trib., there will be any Christian communes out of necessity.

 

[Nancy]

return to Me, and I will return to you
be perfect, as I am perfect

Are you speaking about our "first love" here?

 

[Truth]

How true that last statement is Truth. During these kinds of periods, we can be very sensitive to even well-meaning statements from others, and some like"pull up your bootstrap" kind of comments is like telling a cripple from birth to get up and run! I only wish those who have NO idea what these things can do to our hearts, minds and souls...there is oppression and then possession...Christians, more than others are the target for this oppression...the enemy looks at our weaknesses everyday just to find the tinyist foothold and grabs on tight, it is the most helpless and hopeless feeling. But God will always bring His Children back to Himself. So @aspen , if you are reading any of these posts, just know we are praying continually for you and are here for you always Brother.
In Him always,
-nancy

Great Post! I don't think it can be said better! Ditto @aspen as Nancy said in Her last line!

 

[bbyrd009]

I am def codependent on Christ in my life.

i think we are using the term differently, you might rely on Christ and not be codependent imo.

you might depend on Christ without codependently expecting Him to cover your realized but unconfessed sins, for instance.

 

[Nancy]

i think we are using the term differently, you might rely on Christ and not be codependent imo

Oh no, I mean exactly what I said...I am always co-dependent of Christ, as I do try to always acknowledge God in all my ways. So, I think there is a difference between co-dependence on a human as opposed to God...JMO

 

[bbyrd009]

you might depend on Christ without codependently expecting Him to cover your realized but unconfessed sins, for instance.

I am always co-dependent of Christ, as I do try to always acknowledge God in all my ways.

i'm buried covering...potential worm tracks the rest of the day, lol, not ignoring your previous posts ok, manana for those i guess. As to this, imo when you acknowledge God in a work you are being interdependent, in my understanding anyway. Not too sure how to clarify this except for maybe the example there above, but since i am not the arbiter of the def of codependent either i would ask for any better term that describes someone who relies on a third party for their happiness, specifically? Whereas we know that depending on God will sometimes bring trials and even some transient sorrow, by way of illustration.

This isn't the best def of Coda i've ever heard, but it will work perhaps, "Codependency is a controversial concept for a dysfunctional helping relationship where one person supports or enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement."

i guess equally possible is that Coda is just a model meant to apply to interactions with other people, and maybe we should use a diff syntax for God

 

[Nancy]

i'm buried covering...potential worm tracks the rest of the day, lol, not ignoring your previous posts ok, manana for those i guess. As to this, imo when you acknowledge God in a work you are being interdependent, in my understanding anyway. Not too sure how to clarify this except for maybe the example there above, but since i am not the arbiter of the def of codependent either i would ask for any better term that describes someone who relies on a third party for their happiness, specifically? Whereas we know that depending on God will sometimes bring trials and even some transient sorrow, by way of illustration.

This isn't the best def of Coda i've ever heard, but it will work perhaps, "Codependency is a controversial concept for a dysfunctional helping relationship where one person supports or enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement."

Yes, I have read that description as well and, to me it is totally different if one is co-dependent on another PERSON as opposed to God. Interdependent is a fine word as well, I suppose.

 

[GodsGrace]

lol
plenty of real chicken out there, just so you know. A seven pounder should run you about $30, but you will buy it over and over, no lie. You might have to drive a half hour to get it though

If you eat a REAL chicken, all you have to put on it is some salt...but there aren't too many of those around over here either.

Some tasty memories came back...