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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Behold, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. Renniks

    Renniks Well-Known Member

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    Simply not biblical.
    You sound like the Catholics trying to make baptism and communion part of your salvation.
     
  2. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Dunking, man?

    Peter got them dunked, man?

    C'mon, man!
     
  3. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Okay, let's do that....

    29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

    30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

    31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

    33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.



    36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

    37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
     
  4. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    So, being buried with Christ by baptism per Romans 6 has nothing to do with being born again?

    Being baptized INTO Christ per Romans 6 has nothing to do with being born again?

    Then what else does Romans 6 imply?....


    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:


    We can skip the highlighted and still be born again?

    Does water frighten you?
     
  5. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Lost in Acts 2:38?....


    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


    According to Peter, they are saved by obeying Acts 2:38.

    Modern Christendom made Acts 2:38 into "lost".
     
  6. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Peter's water cult?...

    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....


    16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)...


    47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

    48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord....



    Pray for Peter. Thanks.
     
  7. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Baptism is indeed salvational.

    The RCC is smarter than you guys.

    Now, what they have to do to fix it is start baptizing repented adults in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins per Acts 2:38, then they will really be starting on the right track.

    Unfortunately, they are voluntarily blind like you folks are.
     
  8. Renniks

    Renniks Well-Known Member

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    That proves that they were already saved before getting baptized.
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    No, it means the Holy Ghost wanted the Gentiles to immediately be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins like the Jews had to per Acts 2:38.

    I think you realize that deep down.
     
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    @Truther does one get saved before they get baptized or do they get baptized before they come to faith.

    Which comes first?
     
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    Renniks Well-Known Member

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    Peter thought they should be baptized.
    This was after they had received the Holy Spirit, which amazed the circumsized believers present. Why were they amazed? Because they had not previously realized that salvation was truly for all and not just those who performed certain rituals and had certain ancestors. Peter was just starting to get it himself.
    No one recieves the Holy Spirit before salvation.
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    They must believe with all their heart to qualify for remission of sins via baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    No...Peter COMMANDED them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

    C'mon, man!
     
  14. Eternally Grateful

    Eternally Grateful Well-Known Member

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    Yep

    and who is them?

    those who repented and recieved the gift of the spirit, and based on their reception of remmision of sin, he commanded them according to matt 28 to be be baptized, because they were now disciples of Christ
     
  15. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    No, THEM were those that Peter accused of murdering Jesus.

    They were pricked in their heart, not because they were saved, but because they were lost.

    They asked Peter.."what shall we do"...

    Peter told them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...to get rid of the guilt.
     
  16. justbyfaith

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    Was the Philippian jailer not baptized in water?

    Nope, again I think that you are misunderstanding me. I am saying that the water doesn't have any magical qualities.

    The only reason why water works is because in going under the water, that is an accurate representation of being buried and risen with Christ. If there were any other way to make that representation, it would also be valid.

    Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
    Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


    The person must die to self through repentance and then buried and then risen with Christ, through water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins. The application of water in the name of Jesus Christ does bring the remission of sins; not because of any magical qualities in the water but because perfect representation is made of the person's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, in that the person goes underneath the water and then comes up out of it, as though he himself is being buried and risen.

    This is a valid way of confessing Jesus before men; and as such, it can indeed be salvational (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

     
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  17. Eternally Grateful

    Eternally Grateful Well-Known Member

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    No

    them are those who repented and recieved the gift of the spirit,

    this is proven by what Peter said next.

    41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and

    they repented, we know this because they received the word in faith (faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God) and because of this, they did what Peter said they needed to do earlier,

    21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of theLord Shall be saved.’

    this is that day, that day had come to pass, and whoever calls on the name will be saved (see romans 10, whoever believes and calls out ). Those who,got baptized are those who repented, who heard the word, who recieved the word in faith, and called out on the name of the lord, they were saved the moment they trusted (eph 1: 13-14). And because they recieved the spirit, they were obeying the command to be baptized.

    again the command to repent went to everyone, the command to be baptized only went to some. It is even shown in the old English text, repent ye (plural) and let everyone of you (singular) be baptized

    the command to repent went to everyone there

    the command to be baptized only went to an induvidual,

    who the induvidual is is explained by the term, unto remmision of sin, ie, those who recieved remmision of sin, it’s not rocket science, you just have to do your homework and research the text, it took me many years to figure this out, I pray it does not take you that long
     
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    You are busted!

    You skipped Acts 2:38 completely.

    Shame on you!
     
  19. justbyfaith

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    It wasn't their faith that appropriated for them the remission of their sins.

    It was being water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins, that brought them remission of sins.
     
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    Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
     
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