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Come one come all to the true biblical JESUS . Learn well HIS sayings , having them engrained
by the SPIRIT upon our hearts and in our minds .
FLEE the voice of the harlot . For even her daughters now cry , alas , alas ye are our mother
come and let us join hands with the mother harlot . FLEE her
and partake not her all inclusion delusion . Partake not of her unity
and heed not her voice . For her chambers lead wide into the bowels of hell and the second death shall be her end .
COME and learn OF CHRIST , Learn and find the true peace which is of GOD .
The peace whereby and the only peace whereby a man can be reconciled to GOD .
Learn those bibles well . Feasting and loving every word .
 
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You falsely claim that your church is "the" church.
You speak of is as if it is the authority.
Well, to you, im sure it is.
To me, is nothing. Its just one more well dressed extremely rich man made demonic fake.
So
Your claim is false, so your response is the same.
Your "water cult" is not "the Church".
Your "water cult"... is a Mary Worshiping insult regarding the Truth.

Let me give you some advice, Philip.
Recognize that you are not on a "cult of the Virgin" forum.
Recognize this, immediately, and no longer talk to members here as if the "cult of the virgin" has anything to offer a real born again Christian.

only one church! Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16
no jn 3:16 the whole world
Jn 1:29 sins of the whole world
Lk 2:10-11 savior for all people

catholic universal world

Major covenants!

Adam
(Marriage covenant)

Noah
(Family covenant)

Abraham
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18

Universal (Catholic)
World universal

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal)

Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people

Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world

Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Tim 2:5 one mediator

Jn 10:16 One new covenant church

Kingdom

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

the holy Catholic Church

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

sweet heart of Mary be my salvation! Lk 1:30
Blessed art thou amoung women Lk 1:48
 

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only one church!

When that verse was written, there was no Pope.
There was no "cult of the Virgin".
There was no "church" building with a steeple on it.

In those days, 1AD..... the believers got together in someone's house.
Why?
Because the Believers are the "body of Christ"....= Each born again Person is the "church".
 

theefaith

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When that verse was written, there was no Pope.
There was no "cult of the Virgin".
There was no "church" building with a steeple on it.

In those days, 1AD..... the believers got together in someone's house.
Why?
Because the Believers are the "body of Christ"....= Each born again Person is the "church".

no
There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9:4 why persecute me?


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) same power mission and authority as Christ!
 

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There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10!


Listen.

The Body of Christ is the Bride of Christ.
Its ALL the Born again.
ALL the born again, are "the Church".
 

theefaith

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Listen.

The Body of Christ is the Bride of Christ.
Its ALL the Born again.
ALL the born again, are "the Church".

Bible says the baptized?

matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jn3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
(So Jn 3:5 means Baptism)

Jn 4:1
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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Jesus said you "must be Born Again".

"again", means, a 2nd time.

the 1st time was when you were birthed by your mother.

The 2nd birth, is SPIRITUAL. "born again", = Spiritually.

how?

scripture say by water AND the spirit
Baptism
 

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Jesus said you "must be Born Again".

"again", means, a 2nd time.

the 1st time was when you were birthed by your mother.

The 2nd birth, is SPIRITUAL. "born again", = Spiritually.

Born again!

“Faith Alone”

Or

“Baptismal regeneration”


The initiation into the new covenant!
The only means of grace and salvation!

Metaphorical or implied meaning of baptism!

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

The blood signifies the infinite merits of Christ!
The water signifies baptism!

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations;

Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

1 pet 3:20-21

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

New Testament

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

Mk 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16
he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 1: 11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)

John 1:26
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(Saved by baptism)

Acts 8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Gal 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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2 Births required. "you must be........#2 = born again".

1. Born of water = by your Mother

2. Born by the Spirit = Born again, BY the Holy Spirit

John 3 says nothing about mother?
Jn 3:5 say born again BY WATER AND THE SPIRIT

both and
Both required
Mk 16:16 faith and baptism
Acts 8 faith and baptism

it is the initiation into the new covenant
There must be an outward sign
“Faith alone”
No!
 

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John 3 says nothing about mother?
Jn 3:5 say born again BY WATER AND THE SPIRIT
!

Nicodemus talks about going back into his mother's womb, (to be born a second time), as he didnt understand what "born again", means.
Then Jesus told him that the 2nd Birth, is the Spiritual.
"born again" is the 2nd birth, which is a Birth of your Spirit.
So, that is 2 births.

1. Mother
2. By the Holy Spirit.
 

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Nicodemus talks about going back into his mother's womb, (to be born a second time), as he didnt understand what "born again", means.
Then Jesus told him that the 2nd Birth, is the Spiritual.
"born again" is the 2nd birth, which is a Birth of your Spirit.
So, that is 2 births.

1. Mother
2. By the Holy Spirit.

no Jesus says the new or 2nd birth is by baptism
Water AND the spirit
Vs 22 where do they go? To the river
What do they do? Baptize

Mk 16:16
Acts 2:32
Acts 8:38
Acts 22:16
Rom 6:3-4
1 cor 16:13
Gal 3:27
Eph 4:5

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

baptism
Or baptismal regeneration

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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No He doesn't.
The Water Cult that owns you says that, teaches that..... but Jesus never did, and never would.

And the early church fathers don’t agree with you

St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
 

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And the early church fathers don’t agree with you

St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).

That's cult teaching. "water cult".

= Jehovah's Witness and Cult of the Virgin.....and some others.


Listen...
God forgives sins, based on the DEATH of CHRIST and the SHED BLOOD of Jesus..

What has water to do with that? = NOTHING.

"without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no REMiSSION of SIN"...- there is no way to forgive it.
 

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That's cult teaching. "water cult".

= Jehovah's Witness and Cult of the Virgin.....and some others.


Listen...
God forgives sins, based on the DEATH of CHRIST and the SHED BLOOD of Jesus..

What has water to do with that? = NOTHING.

"without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no REMiSSION of SIN"...- there is no way to forgive it.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 

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That's cult teaching. "water cult".

= Jehovah's Witness and Cult of the Virgin.....and some others.


Listen...
God forgives sins, based on the DEATH of CHRIST and the SHED BLOOD of Jesus..

What has water to do with that? = NOTHING.

"without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no REMiSSION of SIN"...- there is no way to forgive it.

that’s a lot of scripture you scratch out of your bible!

scratch our Lk 1:43 too
No mother of God there