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It says He works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure.Thanks JBF,
Traditionally theologians have connected that passage from Ezekiel with water baptism in the NT. Once a person believes AND is baptized (sprinkled with clean water) they will do those things. It doesn't say once you start believing you will automatically do good work. The devil believes also (James 2:19). Does he do good works?
I am not sure how those passages from Philippians 2 proves that one will automatically do good works once they start believing. It doesn't say you will start doing good works as soon as you start believing...It simply is not there!
Thanks EG,So do you believe it or not?
lets get to the bottom if the issue!
Your wrong, It is not initial salvation.
once again, DO you believe one can have true saving faith and never do any works? yes or no?
lets stick to our conversation and not go off on rabbit trails
Thanks JBF,It says He works in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure.
If He is working in you to will according to His good pleasure, then He is affecting your will so that you will be obedient. If He is working in you to do His good pleasure, then He is causing you to do according to His will.
That seems to me to say that you will be doing good works if you have faith in Jesus; for He is working in you both to will and to do according to His good pleasure.
REALLY????? So you are the pillar and foundation of truth???Im the church, and i dont teach water cult nonsense..
Thank you for admitting that I am right to believe Ezekiel's words.
Why don't you?
You are certainly welcome ....I believe the words of Anybody or any THING that is in the Bible....That would include anything from Ezekiel to Balaam’s Ass.......I just don’t believe YOU or your Confused interpretation of much of God's Word.....
In all honesty , these quotes of Ezekiel who you Turn to instead of Jesus or Paul? I really don’t understand what the hell you are trying to get across.....is it just me?
It’s one thing to read and study and cherish a book in the Bible .....that does NOT mean you get your Doctrine from it
Duh.....gee thanks ....I never heard of that quote from 2 Timothy Before.......NOT! Please give me a break
Lol.....OK...I know nothing about Catholic Theology. You crack me up kiddo.
Let me once again educate you since you refuse to educate yourself.
1. We are talking about "traditional teaching from Christianity" not the 1950 Assumption dogma.
2. There were widespread “Transitus Stories” that date from the sixth century that teach Mary’s Assumption.
2 Peter 3:16
wow, just wow
REALLY????? So you are the pillar and foundation of truth???
F a s c i n a t in g....
So one is changed from a dog to a prince, made a new creature in Christ, but will keep acting like a Dog?Thanks JBF,
Traditionally theologians have connected that passage from Ezekiel with water baptism in the NT. Once a person believes AND is baptized (sprinkled with clean water) they will do those things. It doesn't say once you start believing you will automatically do good work. The devil believes also (James 2:19). Does he do good works?
I am not sure how those passages from Philippians 2 proves that one will automatically do good works once they start believing. It doesn't say you will start doing good works as soon as you start believing...It simply is not there!
Thanks EG,
Well, I asked you to give me the post# in which I said what you alleged I said. You didn't/couldn't do that sooooooo are you going to at least acknowledge that fact? I am not asking for an apology. Just an acknowledgment that I didn't say what you thought I said. It's hard to have a conversation with someone when they make false allegations.
No rabbit trail from this girl.
I have made it very clear what Scripture teaches and what I believe. Truly though, it is not a matter of what you or I believe. It is a matter of what Scripture says. I believe Faith without works is DEAD! If all you have is faith, with no good works EG, how can you be saved with a dead faith?
Not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but rather he who does the will of my Father
This is descriptive, not prescriptive, Gods people do his will, he who is born of God can not sin, because they have been born of God, he who sins has never seen or known god, the apostle John makes this clear." (Matthew 7:21) That means doing the will of God is a necessary component of one's faith. Do you think it is Gods will that we do good works?
Having only faith, with no works, means giving God lip service. God demands actions from us, not just lip service. ("This generation honors me with their lips, while their heart is far from me", Matthew 15:18). For you see EG, a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone (James 2:24).
I hope you are now very clear on what Scripture teaches about faith AND works.
Bible Study Mary
The people in James went to church yet he called some of them out for not doing any work at allThanks JBF,
That makes sense. A person of faith should be doing good works. I know many Christians who have faith, believe in Him and regularly go to Church. They don't do good works. Do you know anyone like that?
I guess the difference is the one who does the good works has a true, deep abiding faith and the one who doesn't do the good works only has faith. Does that make sense?
I wonder if both will obtain salvation.....
I have answered. I thought you read post’s #486 #515 #523 #524. That’s four times. How many more times would you like me to say it?do you believe someone can have faith and never do any works period?
please answer,,
Dear EG,So once again we have a discussion in where you will not answer me, is your faith in what you believe that weak that you are afraid to answer questions?
Dear Dear Behold,You said i consider myself the "pillar of Truth">
I didnt say that..
I said that im the "church", which is the "bride of Christ"< .. which is the "Temple of the Holy Spirit""".
Who is this that i am?.......= Born again.