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“The bottomless pit is the Vanity (EVIL) in (Romans 8:20). Let me explain.Vanity, according to Webster, is: excessive pride, conceit, lack ofusefulness, worthlessness, something vain or futile. According to theGreek, it means: depravity, empty, profitless, idol, vain, through the ideaof tentative manipulation, unsuccessful search, folly, to no purpose, tochew, gnaw.
Okay, so here we have a definition. Great. No problems there. I don't see how you link "the bottomless pit" to that verse, since it's not mentioned, but okay. So you're making an arbitrary connection between them. Great.(logabe;59799)
Okay…here we go. The bottomless pit is your belief system. What you believe or eat is what you become. Adam ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and he broke the LAW of GOD. We were all in Adam and we have to suffer the pain and heartache of that act. We are paying for Adam’s sin. That’s why JESUS came. He came toget us out of the pit of our thinking. It’s called the carnal mind.
Again, you're arbitrarily linking the concept of original sin to this "bottomless pit." Where is the justification for this? At any rate, my question to this would be, "Why is God punishing us for Adam's sin?" Seems like an act of cruelty to punish Person 2 for Person 1's mistake. But at any rate, we'll set that aside.(logabe;59799)
Paul said…“to be carnally minded (thinking the way the world system thinks) is death.” This means you are dead to the things of God because of your interpretation of God. It is impossible to please God in the carnal mind. Until you have been begotten of God, you cannot help butbelieve what the carnal mind is telling you.
Oh, so we can't help but believe our carnal mind before God changes things. So it is
God's fault that unbelievers do not believe? Well isn't that just sweet. He doesn't change their minds, and then he punishes them for not believing in something they can't believe in. Again, nothing but cruelty here. You have not redeemed your God's morality.(logabe;59799)
Back in the 80’s I saw on the front page of a magazine a man that was in the middle of a desert buried in the sand with just his head sticking up.The sun was beating on top of his head and he was sweating profusely,but he thought that was going to save him. Now…this guy believed inwhat he was doing. My question is…Where did he get that from? I thinkhe got it from the carnal mind. What do you think?
I don't see what this has to do with the "carnal mind" at all. He obviously was in a desperate situation and made a decision. A bad one, yes, but so what? At least he chose something and followed through with it. When you're stranded in a desert, following through could be the difference between life and death. But at any rate....why did you mention this?(logabe;59799)
Now we have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of ways in the world to be saved. Some people believe that cows will save them. Where do you think they got that from? Some think the sun will save them. Some think that if they kill enough infidels, they will get 100 virgins. Some think that they are the only ones that are going to be saved because they are living for God, while all the sinners are going to hell forever becausethey deserve it.
Where did they get this? From their own minds, where else? You really think that your religion has more justification than worshipping cows or blowing yourself up to get to heaven? The only criteria you have for classifying these as "carnal" is this: I don't believe it, therefore it's from the carnal mind. You fail to realize that all these other religions say the exact same thing about you. The ones who worship cows believe that you are out of your mind and being "carnal" too. So who says which one is right? Obviously we need some outside justification here.(logabe;59799)
Are you getting the point? Sounds like a bottomless pit to me. Exodus 21:33-34 states…“If a man opens or digs a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; the OWNER of the pit shall make itgood, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beastshall be his.”
Cool. Alrighty then.(logabe;59799)
God dug a pit and did not cover it. In essence, HE allowed the serpent in the Garden. According to GOD’S LAW, the OWNER (“GOD”) is responsible. That’s why God sent JESUS to pay for the beast (man’s nature), and the ass (man’s stubbornness), and the dead beast shallbe His. When God paid the price we were still dead. While we were yetin sin CHRIST died for us. He paid the wages of sin which is death. Healso had a plan to bring us out of the pits of hell. I haven’t heard thatphrase since the 90’s, but I’m going to use it anyway.
So you say that God allowed the serpent into the garden, huh? This single act is what is responsible for (according to Christians, anyway) all the suffering in all of human history. You're saying that God either a) set up this problem for some odd reason, or
made a mistake and then had to go and correct it. Why else would God "dig a pit and not cover it" in the first place? By saying this you have done nothing but put the blame for sin and suffering square on the shoulders of God.(logabe;59799)
In other words, God is changing the way we see Him. We have been seeing Him through the wrong mind, which is bottomless. You can come up with anything in the carnal mind that you and I think is ofGod, but until you study HIS WORD you have absolutely nothing tostand on. Studying HIS WORD does not save you, but it does put afoundation under your feet. It gives you something to stand on. It’s notbottomless.
Circular reasoning. You are assuming that the Bible is true, then using it to justify itself. Let's use some outside justification here. Why should I believe the words of a book that do not match up with our observations about this world? What confidence can I have in such a book? Simply asserting its truth does not solve anything.(logabe;59799)
I have one last point to make. It is this: Jonah prayed from the fish’s belly (Jonah 2:6), and the earth with her bars was about him forever (olam: undetermined time). In Jonah’s case it was three days. He sawhimself in prison on the earth. The point is that he recognized wherehe was without God. He said…“yet have You brought “UP” my lifefrom corruption.” Jonah gets specific and says in verse eight…“they thatobserve “LYING VANITIES” forsake their own mercy.” In other words,(according to Logabe) those that eat, believe, or walk in excessive pride,emptiness, vanity, conceit, folly, manipulation, or worthlessness are inthe prison of their own mind (the bottomless pit). There's our "
evil" thats keeping us from God.
You are again arbitrarily connecting this verse to your whole "bottomless pit" thing. What justification do you have for this? But even if we are in this "prison of our own mind," then we have no escape unless God does something. Since he has not, it is his responsibility, and he is to blame. You consistently fail to provide any justification for your God's actions that rescue him from the charge of cruelty - or at least neglect.(logabe;59799)
God is in the process of bringing every man and woman out of the bottomless pit of their carnal minds. The carnal mind has nobottom. Some will come sooner, and some will come later, but everyonewill come in his own order (out of the bottomless pit)!” God has Promised that ( Act's 3:26).
Then by your reasoning, I have no choice but to argue against you on this matter until God does his little thing. You had better hope for your own sake that that moment is sooner rather than later, because right now I don't see you as having even a leg to stand on with this issue. You cannot accept that your God is cruel, so you make ridiculous rationalizations to try and justify his actions - none of which completely cover all of his hideous deeds. Face it - your God is not full of love. His actions completely show otherwise. Is not someone who murders a murderer? Is not someone who lies a liar? Is not someone who steals a thief? God, who is apparently in control of all things, has done all these and more. His actions have no justification that could allow for one to call him "loving".
