Entering Into His Rest

[Robert Pate]

"There remains therefore a rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4:9.

After wandering in the desert for 40 years God told the Israelites that they should enter into the promised land. This was the land that God had promised to Moses for the nation of Israel. Some of the Israelites were afraid to enter into the promised land and would not enter in because they were afraid of what was there. They didn't believe God and rebelled against him. This was an analogy of our salvation. Many cannot enter into salvation because of unbelief, they don't believe God.

"So, we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief" Hebrews 3:19.

"For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3.

What is this rest that God is talking about? We enter into his rest when we stop trusting in our works and in our religion to save us. We rest in the righteousness of Christ to save us. We rest in his atonement to save us. "For he that has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

"There remains therefore a rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4:9.

After wandering in the desert for 40 years God told the Israelites that they should enter into the promised land. This was the land that God had promised to Moses for the nation of Israel. Some of the Israelites were afraid to enter into the promised land and would not enter in because they were afraid of what was there. They didn't believe God and rebelled against him. This was an analogy of our salvation. Many cannot enter into salvation because of unbelief, they don't believe God.

"So, we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief" Hebrews 3:19.

"For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3.

What is this rest that God is talking about? We enter into his rest when we stop trusting in our works and in our religion to save us. We rest in the righteousness of Christ to save us. We rest in his atonement to save us. "For he that has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

Correct, rest from sin and our dead works!!

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

 

[ScottA]

"There remains therefore a rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4:9.

After wandering in the desert for 40 years God told the Israelites that they should enter into the promised land. This was the land that God had promised to Moses for the nation of Israel. Some of the Israelites were afraid to enter into the promised land and would not enter in because they were afraid of what was there. They didn't believe God and rebelled against him. This was an analogy of our salvation. Many cannot enter into salvation because of unbelief, they don't believe God.

"So, we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief" Hebrews 3:19.

"For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3.

What is this rest that God is talking about? We enter into his rest when we stop trusting in our works and in our religion to save us. We rest in the righteousness of Christ to save us. We rest in his atonement to save us. "For he that has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

That certainly works as a simple analogy of what is meant by God's rest. But the greater reality, is that God's rest is biblically defined as Oneness with God, as being "in God" and as eternal or everlasting life.

The "promised land" then is really just a worldly object or example of what the actual subject is, which is actually not of this world. Just as the temple of stone is not the temple that the stone temple only points to, the promised land speaks well beyond the lots of tera firma given to Israel. It speaks rather of that kingdom that is without end, also of that kingdom only given to David for analogy, but rather regarding the kingdom of heaven and earth given to Christ Jesus.

 

[Robert Pate]

That certainly works as a simple analogy of what is meant by God's rest. But the greater reality, is that God's rest is biblically defined as Oneness with God, as being "in God" and as eternal or everlasting life.

The "promised land" then is really just a worldly object or example of what the actual subject is, which is actually not of this world. Just as the temple of stone is not the temple that the stone temple only points to, the promised land speaks well beyond the lots of tera firma given to Israel. It speaks rather of that kingdom that is without end, also of that kingdom only given to David for analogy, but rather regarding the kingdom of heaven and earth given to Christ Jesus.

Entering into his rest means to cease from your own works and religion and rest in what Christ has accomplished in our name and on our behalf. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

 

[ScottA]

Entering into his rest means to cease from your own works and religion and rest in what Christ has accomplished in our name and on our behalf. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

It would appear that you are mixing or confusing the rest of God with the fact that we can rest assured in what Christ has done for us. They're two different topics.

Indeed, we can rest in what Christ has done for us, and the comparison to God resting when His work was complete is good. But Jesus clarified that He (meaning we who are His also) and His Father work unto the end. In other words, the comparison only applies to a point--because that rest comparison really only points to the rest that awaits those who "remain" in the work of Christ, which is the point stated in Hebrews 4:1.

 

[Mink57]

"There remains therefore a rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4:9.

After wandering in the desert for 40 years God told the Israelites that they should enter into the promised land. This was the land that God had promised to Moses for the nation of Israel. Some of the Israelites were afraid to enter into the promised land and would not enter in because they were afraid of what was there. They didn't believe God and rebelled against him. This was an analogy of our salvation. Many cannot enter into salvation because of unbelief, they don't believe God.

"So, we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief" Hebrews 3:19.

"For we which have believed do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Hebrews 4:3.

You are correct in this regard.

What is this rest that God is talking about? We enter into his rest when we stop trusting in our works and in our religion to save us. We rest in the righteousness of Christ to save us. We rest in his atonement to save us. "For he that has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

You are NOT correct in your interpretation. It's not about "rest", it's not about religion, and it's not about "works" as YOU see 'works.'

Heb. 4:9 has been translated by MANY to include the word "sabbath" BEFORE the word 'rest.'

Start from Heb. 4:4:
"For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that SABBATH rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[d]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience."

God commanded 'us' to REST from our 'works' during the week. That is, to rest from doing works that would profit. Christ came, and performed 'works' on the Sabbath, and even said, (paraphrase) "It is good to do good on the Sabbath."

Christ was not contradicting God; he was expounding on what God meant.

 

[Robert Pate]

It would appear that you are mixing or confusing the rest of God with the fact that we can rest assured in what Christ has done for us. They two different topics.

Indeed, we can rest in what Christ has done for us, and the comparison to God resting when His work was complete is good. But Jesus clarified that He (meaning we who are His also) and His Father work unto the end. In other words, the comparison only applies to a point--because that rest comparison really only points to the rest that awaits those who "remain" in the work of Christ, which is the point stated in Hebrews 4:1.

As far as our salvation goes "It is finished". Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, making us complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Having provided salvation for the whole world, he now sits in heaven as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Revelation 19:16.

 

[Robert Pate]

You are correct in this regard.

You are NOT correct in your interpretation. It's not about "rest", it's not about religion, and it's not about "works" as YOU see 'works.'

Heb. 4:9 has been translated by MANY to include the word "sabbath" BEFORE the word 'rest.'

Start from Heb. 4:4:
"For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that SABBATH rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[d]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience."

God commanded 'us' to REST from our 'works' during the week. That is, to rest from doing works that would profit. Christ came, and performed 'works' on the Sabbath, and even said, (paraphrase) "It is good to do good on the Sabbath."

Christ was not contradicting God; he was expounding on what God meant.

The Catholic church is works happy. If you don't do the works, then you think that you are lost. The scripture says, "For he that has entered into his rest, he also HAS CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS as God did from his" Hebrews 4:9. You are not able to cease from your own works because it is not possible for you to live by faith, Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

The only ones that are able to live by faith are born again Christians. They live by faith in Christ and his Gospel. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now resides in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

It's over, it's finished. "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10. But not for you. You are busy, busy, busy trying to save yourself by the works of the law.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct, rest from sin and our dead works!!

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

Allow me some parting words .
And may all feel free to ask questions .
Now watch this sister and i bet you will understand the difference and reason why one is captilized and the other is not .
FREEDOM freedom
LOVE love
LIBERTY liberty
REST rest
UNITY unity
ISRAEL israel .
JESUS jesus
GOD god

Just let us always remember
SATAN can use any word too , but rest assured the lambs wont follow his version of anything .

 

[ScottA]

As far as our salvation goes "It is finished". Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, making us complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Having provided salvation for the whole world, he now sits in heaven as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Revelation 19:16.

Yes...but that is Him (our Head) resting. As for the body, it is not over or "finished" until the end and the last man standing. Which is not to say that it is not "finished"- but rather that the finish is not fully played out in the (His) body in the sufferings and salvation experienced in this world.

Again, one still in the battle can and does experience the assurance of rest in Christ even now, but has yet to enter fully into the rest that only comes when one fully leaves this world. Meaning that by definition, yes, we can say that it is "finished", because these things all actually have occurred before the foundation of the world...but that does not speak of the remaining fulfilment only revealed by the experience of the times of this world, which have not yet come to an end. Which, as it is written, must be "rightly divided."

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct, rest from sin and our dead works!!

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

To the trenches and let the LORD be praised sister .
allow me to finish that last part. The lambs wont follow satans verion of love or etc
the lambs follow and embrace THE BIBLICAL VERSION OF SAID WORDS . LOVING TRUTH , YES HISWORDS are our meat .
BIBLE TIME . as i am sure you do agree .

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes...but that is Him (our Head) resting. As for the body, it is not over or "finished" until the end and the last man standing. Which is not to say that it is not "finished"- but rather that the finish is not fully played out in the (His) body in the sufferings and salvation experienced in this world.

Again, one still in the battle can and does experience the assurance of rest in Christ even now, but has yet to enter fully into the rest that only comes when one fully leaves this world. Meaning that by definition, yes, we can say that it is "finished", because these things all actually have occurred before the foundation of the world...but that does not speak of the remaining fulfilment only revealed by the experience of the times of this world, which have not yet come to an end. Which, as it is written, must be "rightly divided."

Jesus is the beginning and the ending of all things. The Alpha and the Omega, Revelation 1:8. Don't know what you mean by the "rightly divided". Spiritually, we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

 

[Mink57]

The Catholic church is works happy. If you don't do the works, then you think that you are lost.

Sorry Robert, but are you ignorant on purpose? What I wrote has NOTHING to do with "workS" but WORK.

The scripture says, "For he that has entered into his rest, he also HAS CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS as God did from his" Hebrews 4:9.

No, Hebrews 4:9 says, "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God." Nothing about WORKS. Get your scriptures straight, and get an understanding of what the RCC believes...

You are not able to cease from your own works because it is not possible for you to live by faith, Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

Again, Hebrews 4:9 has NOTHING to do with "works." You wanna talk about "works'? Pick a different verse...

The only ones that are able to live by faith are born again Christians.

Nope.

They live by faith in Christ and his Gospel. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now resides in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

It's over, it's finished. "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10. But not for you. You are busy, busy, busy trying to save yourself by the works of the law.

Again, nope. You're not speaking the truth about Catholics, plus, you're taking Colossians 2:10 out of context.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus is the beginning and the ending of all things. The Alpha and the Omega, Revelation 1:8. Don't know what you mean by the "rightly divided". Spiritually, we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

Paul established the need of "rightly dividing" or handling the word of truth in his instructions to Timothy (2 Timothy 2:15). Which, if one is to look at the whole of scripture, it should be recognizable that even the gospel addresses both the living and the dead in Christ in one word which must be divided to handle it correctly regarding each of the two folds that Christ must bring--which are otherwise wrongfully mixed. And just as there is a difference in what is written of the dead compared with what is written regarding the living, there is also a difference and need for rightly dividing what is true of the times of this world and those things not of this world.

It is because of that very difference that I have pointed out that the greater rest of God that comes only to those fully in His presence, is indeed greater than the assurance and rest afforded us who are "alive and remain"--alive in God but remain in the flesh and in the world, by the promise of both the Father and the Son. The one is a promise, and the other its fulfillment. They are not the same. In other words, the one is its own kind of rest as the result of the promise, while the other is the actual rest of actually ending our works in this world just as God also ended His work before resting the seventh day.

 

[amigo de christo]

Time to make biblical correction great again , or be decieved .

 

[Robert Pate]

Paul established the need of "rightly dividing" or handling the word of truth in his instructions to Timothy (2 Timothy 2:15). Which, if one is to look at the whole of scripture, it should be recognizable that even the gospel addresses both the living and the dead in Christ in one word which must be divided to handle it correctly regarding each of the two folds that Christ must bring--which are otherwise wrongfully mixed. And just as there is a difference in what is written of the dead compared with what is written regarding the living, there is also a difference and need for rightly dividing what is true of the times of this world and those things not of this world.

It is because of that very difference that I have pointed out that the greater rest of God that comes only to those fully in His presence, is indeed greater than the assurance and rest afforded us who are "alive and remain"--alive in God but remain in the flesh and in the world, by the promise of both the Father and the Son. The one is a promise, and the other its fulfillment. They are not the same. In other words, the one is its own kind of rest as the result of the promise, while the other is the actual rest of actually ending our works in this world just as God also ended His work before resting the seventh day.

If you had some scripture it would be very helpful. I don't know about you, but I am already experiencing his rest. Before I discovered the Gospel and justification by faith, I was down at the church 5 days of a week, trying to be good enough to be saved.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sorry Robert, but are you ignorant on purpose? What I wrote has NOTHING to do with "workS" but WORK.

No, Hebrews 4:9 says, "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God." Nothing about WORKS. Get your scriptures straight, and get an understanding of what the RCC believes...

Again, Hebrews 4:9 has NOTHING to do with "works." You wanna talk about "works'? Pick a different verse...

Nope.

Again, nope. You're not speaking the truth about Catholics, plus, you're taking Colossians 2:10 out of context.

How could anyone take Colossians 2:10 out of context. It very simply says... "You are complete in him". If we are complete in Christ that kind of screws your Catholic religion.

 

[ScottA]

If you had some scripture it would be very helpful. I don't know about you, but I am already experiencing his rest. Before I discovered the Gospel and justification by faith, I was down at the church 5 days of a week, trying to be good enough to be saved.

If you did not hear or recognize the scriptures in what I wrote, then you missed it.

But let me ask you then: Have you finished your work in service of God? Because if you have not and you still remain in the flesh...the war is indeed already won, but your own battle is still being waged, meaning you have not fully entered the rest of God, but only tasted of it in Christ.

See the difference?

 

[Robert Pate]

If you did not hear or recognize the scriptures in what I wrote, then you missed it.

But let me ask you then: Have you finished your work in service of God? Because if you have not and you still remain in the flesh...the war is indeed already won, but your own battle is still being waged, meaning you have not fully entered the rest of God, but only tasted of it in Christ.

See the difference?

Spiritually, I am in Christ and Christ is in heaven. Physically I am still here on the sinful planet in my unredeemed Adamic body, Romans 8:23. If that is what you are saying I agree with you. The Christian life is a fight, but knowing what Jesus has accomplished for us gives us peace and rest.

 

[ScottA]

Spiritually, I am in Christ and Christ is in heaven. Physically I am still here on the sinful planet in my unredeemed Adamic body, Romans 8:23. If that is what you are saying I agree with you. The Christian life is a fight, but knowing what Jesus has accomplished for us gives us peace and rest.

Yes, that is what I am saying...which is that the peace and rest of Christ is one thing and the rest of God another.

The fact that we remain in the flesh and in the world in part, by definition means that we have not fully ascended as Jesus has. Which by definition by the example of Jesus, is the way that one fully enters the rest of God. But this is technical hair splitting. Even so, Jesus eluded to there being a particular distinction, saying after his resurrection but before his ascension, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father."

My only point was to say that the rest of Christ is the rest that comes as a result of a promise, as compared to the full rest of God after our works here are also "finished."