Federal Headship…

[skypair]

If there is such a thing in Adam, it should include his entire headship .. his fall as well as his salvation.

Let's face it .. Adam stands for all man. We are all created like him at birth - not corrupt nor incorrupt but CORRUPTIBLE in spirit, soul, and body. Like Adam, we fall from grace (fall from the favor of living according to God's wisdom) when we knowingly and willingly sin against God's commandments. Like Adam, we try to hide our shame (fig leaves) from one another and also try to hide ourselves from God.

But praise God! He comes looking for us .. calling us personally .. not willing that any should perish. And when we acknowledge our sin and give up our "fig leaves", then He is ready clothe us with the covering of an innocent Sacrifice. Like Adam, when we acknowledge our sin and repent, our relationship is restored with God through faith in Christ.

But one place where we benefit more than Adam is .. whereas Adam had the Sacrifice's righteousness imputed to him (Adam wore it on the outside), we have the righteousness of Christ given to us in the inner man.

So please .. if you are going to bring up Adam's headship, let it mean what the Bible intended .. not what your pet theology says.

skypair

 

[Windmillcharge]

If there is such a thing in Adam, it should include his entire headship .. his fall as well as his salvation.

We are all created like him at birth - not corrupt nor incorrupt but CORRUPTIBLE in spirit, soul, and body.

let it mean what the Bible intended .. not what your pet theology says.

Follow the reasoning, Adam is the head of humanity, we all are decended from him. it follows then that we follow him in his fallen state.
This is what the bible teaches. Babies are not born innocent, but with a bias to sin.
This is what is meant by original sin.

 

[skypair]

Follow the reasoning, Adam is the head of humanity, we all are decended from him. it follows then that we follow him in his fallen state.
This is what the bible teaches. Babies are not born innocent, but with a bias to sin.
This is what is meant by original sin.

I realize that is what you think it means. However, but Adam is our "head" in everything human. He saw God at creation — our "angels do always behold the face of God" as infants/children. He fell — we fall. Etc.

Bias to sin = seeing our flesh instead of seeing God first. Basically, bias to sin is an instinct born of our survival instincts. God has "put eternity in our hearts" (Ecc 3:10) and yet we know at all times that we are mortal and must survive by our own wits.

Original sin (a phrase not even mentioned in scripture) is simply a theological reconstruction of Adam's original sin making it applicable to all mankind. If that were the case, we would also all be saved in Adam's salvation in Gen 3:21.

skypair

 

[Windmillcharge]

bias to sin is an instinct born of our survival instincts

How is being spiteful a survival instinct?

Sin is any action, speach or thought that is contrary to Gods law. It is to do with rejecting God not our survival.
The bible teaches us that Adam rebelled against God, he sinned, and as a result all his descendants have a bias to sin.
This is seen in the fact that Adam's sin brought death for him and all his descendants.
As these verse show:-

1Cor15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Romans5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

As you say Adam is our 'head' and we are his descendants inheriting a sinful nature and death., both physical and spiritual death unless we know Jesus.

 

[skypair]

How is being spiteful a survival instinct?

Spite is protective of our thoughts and actions which we feel help us to cope with life.

Sin is any action, speach or thought that is contrary to Gods law. It is to do with rejecting God not our survival.

This is a reductionist view. First off, our sin isn't always against God. Sin is simply "missing the mark" that is necessary to succeed. "Trespass" is the term the Bible uses to denote breaking God's law. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" tells us that we all have missed the mark and not achieved God's glory. It does not tell us whether those sins are unto condemnation because, if they are not against God's law, they aren't, Ro 7:8-9.

skypair

 

[Windmillcharge]

First off, our sin isn't always against God. Sin is simply "missing the mark" that is necessary to succeed.

King David, having committed adultery and murder could say, 'Against you only O God have I sinned.'

All missing of the mark is against God.