God's Desire is that All Men be Saved!

[justbyfaith]

I asked you first. I want to know what you think it means. I know what it means. But I want to see what you think so I know where you are coming from.

God knows beforehand who will choose Him and chooses them accordingly.

 

[justbyfaith]

You think the English was the original? You can't be serious.

That's not what I said. I said that the kjv is written.

 

[justbyfaith]

Okay, fire away.

 

[reformed1689]

That's not what I said. I said that the kjv is written.

And you knew what I meant. Are you just trolling?

 

[reformed1689]

Therefore Romans 3:10-12 is speaking of those who are under the law, apart from God.

Which is everybody. But it completely blows your theory that Christ died for all individuals outright out of the water unless God actually selects all individuals which He does not.

 

[reformed1689]

God knows beforehand who will choose Him and chooses them accordingly.

Yeah that is foresight, not foreknowledge. He foreknew them in an INTIMATE sense. He selected them. Chose them. Has nothing to do with what they would or would not do. That is a works based salvation. Salvation is from God alone by his grace alone.

 

[justbyfaith]

And you knew what I meant. Are you just trolling?

I said that I was speaking to you in plain English and you brought up the kjv-only controversy.

 

[reformed1689]

I said that I was speaking to you in plain English and you brought up the kjv-only controversy.

No I didn't. You did. I said the Bible was not written in English. And it wasn't. It has been translated into English, but not written in English originally.

 

[justbyfaith]

Which is everybody. But it completely blows your theory that Christ died for all individuals outright out of the water unless God actually selects all individuals which He does not.

Actually, God draws all people to Him; but not all people respond in faith to that drawing of their souls to Him.

He selects those whom He knows will receive Him. Because He is outside of time; and He knows the end from the beginning.

Yeah that is foresight, not foreknowledge.

I disagree (foresight is not a word that we find in the Bible).

Has nothing to do with what they would or would not do. That is a works based salvation.

I disagree. Calling on the name of the Lord is not a work; because it does in fact save (Romans 10:9-13).

 

[justbyfaith]

No I didn't. You did. I said the Bible was not written in English. And it wasn't. It has been translated into English, but not written in English originally.

It is today written in English. You cannot dispute that.

 

[justbyfaith]

No I didn't. You did. I said the Bible was not written in English.

That is bringing up the kjv-only controversy in my eyes.

I said I was speaking to you in plain English and you brought up the origins of the Bible.

I don't think that I am the one who has been trolling here.

 

[reformed1689]

Actually, God draws all people to Him; but not all people respond in faith to that drawing of their souls to Him.

He selects those whom He knows will receive Him. Because He is outside of time; and He knows the end from the beginning.

All individuals? Or all types of people both Jew and Gentile? Cite your verse.

I disagree.

Doesn't matter if you agree or not, I'm telling you what the Greek means.

I disagree. Calling on the name of the Lord is not a work; because it does in fact save (Romans 10:9-13).

Now you are moving the goalposts and talking about something different.

 

[reformed1689]

That is bringing up the kjv-only controversy in my eyes.

No, it isn't. That's just nonsense.

I said I was speaking to you in plain English and you brought up the origins of the Bible.

The origins are important. Because you said "it says it in plain English." Except English is not the original.

 

[reformed1689]

It is today written in English. You cannot dispute that.

It is today TRANSLATED into English. The Scriptures were only written once. And they were written to a specific people at a specific time in a specific place. They are for our benefit but they were not written to us and definitely were not written in English.

 

[justbyfaith]

All individuals? Or all types of people both Jew and Gentile? Cite your verse.

I am growing tired of this debate. Because I know that you have the Calvinistic interpretation of every verse that I might bring up to say that Jesus died for all men. I just don't see those verses the same way you do. So, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, it isn't. That's just nonsense.

Have a good day.

The origins are important. Because you said "it says it in plain English." Except English is not the original.

I said to you that I was speaking to you in plain English.

 

[reformed1689]

I am growing tired of this debate. Because I know that you have the Calvinistic interpretation of every verse that I might bring up to say that Jesus died for all men. I just don't see those verses the same way you do. So, we will have to agree to disagree.

It's not a matter of how you see it, it is a matter of what it actually says.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sorry, I don't feel like arguing today. You are going to have to argue with someone else.

 

[reformed1689]

Sorry, I don't feel like arguing today. You are going to have to argue with someone else.

I'll take that as you don't actually have an answer.

 

[justbyfaith]

It is today TRANSLATED into English. The Scriptures were only written once. And they were written to a specific people at a specific time in a specific place. They are for our benefit but they were not written to us and definitely were not written in English.

I'm back, to say, can you read them off the page, in English? then it is written in English.