Grace vs Legalism

[BOWnQUIVER]

BOWnQUIVER said: ↑
Could you show me the scriptures or even 1 scripture that says your future sins are forgiven?

JBF said Romans 4:8, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 9:12.

Romans 4:8 (KJV)
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 9:11-12 (KJV)
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Not one of those scriptures say anything about future sin

 

[justbyfaith]

Not one of those scriptures say anything about future sin

Nor things to come...

shall not impute sin...

eternal redemption.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If we're just going to circle back to this, I'm not into it.

You want to nit pick what part of the Bible I have no respect for?



I know them but don't respect them, whichever Scriptures you are thinking of. Right.

Make it about me, sure, it's common. Have fun!

You are the one who misquoted me on purpose, because you would have had to only copy the portion that would make me look like I meant the WHOLE Bible. Where this mental condition comes from that keeps you doing this junk, I want no part of. You are a roller-coaster that just likes to invent things to whine about.

This isn't working. Put me on ignore, and I'll do the same.

 

[CharismaticLady]

thank you for teaching what i teach.
a month ago you were telling me that "no sin in Christ" was "heresy.
I see you have come along nicely.

also, the born again Spirit, which you define as the "divine nature", can't sin.
1 John 3:9

What do you believe that means regarding acts of the flesh? You seem to think it has to do with Romans 4, and acts of the flesh are no longer sins imputed against us. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[CharismaticLady]

You teach this as a self effort, because you are a legalist, who is hiding out as a "justified by faith".
You and justbyfaith, in this regard, are both fakirs.

I don't have to use self effort, meaning of the old carnal man, because the seed of the Father lives within me making me born again of the Spirit. I also do not use the term justified by faith in what I teach, and justbyfaith and I do not see eye to eye which is why I've got him on ignore. I can't even remember anymore what he believes. As usual, you assume very ignorant things about me.

So, let me show you what the "will of God is", that you might later teach it and claim you knew it all the time, as this is your behavior...

1.) This is the WILL/work of God......"That you BELIEVE on the ONE whom God sent"

2.) And who is it that OVERCOMES ? "He who is born again, and has believed on Christ".

See that? We do not overcome by effort, will, or by abiding.
We overcome the world the flesh and the devil, by BEING BORN AGAIN.. This is how you "overcome", because you have, the. very instant you are born again.

See that? That is both the will of God and the Work of God.. and in both cases it is FINISHED.

I can't help but abide in Him, and He in me; we just are. If you aren't abiding, you are not born again?

Heretics try to teach this as some other idea of self effort to try to "abide" or keep yourself saved.
Which is what you do, and will again, until you recognize your mistake, and then you'll pretend that you knew it all the time.

And how would you act instead if no self effort is required. What does your nature tell you to do, because I do what comes naturally, which keeps me never going against my conscience.

 

[Nancy]

I don't have to use self effort, meaning of the old carnal man, because the seed of the Father lives within me making me born again of the Spirit. I also do not use the term justified by faith in what I teach, and justbyfaith and I do not see eye to eye which is why I've got him on ignore. I can't even remember anymore what he believes. As usual, you assume very ignorant things about me.



I can't help but abide in Him, and He in me; we just are. If you aren't abiding, you are not born again?



And how would you act instead if no self effort is required. What does your nature tell you to do, because I do what comes naturally, which keeps me never going against my conscience.

"I can't help but abide in Him, and He in me; we just are. If you aren't abiding, you are not born again?"

Amen,
If we are not "abiding"...we are not bearing fruit.
Why would we want to separate ourselves from The Vine?

"Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;"
Matthew 3:8

 

[CharismaticLady]

"I can't help but abide in Him, and He in me; we just are. If you aren't abiding, you are not born again?"

Amen,
If we are not "abiding"...we are not bearing fruit.
Why would we want to separate ourselves from The Vine?

"Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance;"
Matthew 3:8

Amen, sister!

 

[CharismaticLady]

BOWnQUIVER said: ↑
Could you show me the scriptures or even 1 scripture that says your future sins are forgiven?

JBF said Romans 4:8, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 9:12.

Romans 4:8 (KJV)
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 9:11-12 (KJV)
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Not one of those scriptures say anything about future sin

It is nice to see someone who doesn't spout that our past, present and future sins are forgiven. Who made that heresy up, do you know where that phrase originated. 2 Peter 1:9 tells us only our old sins are cleansed. The heretics don't know about the power that Jesus gives us at that point to supernaturally partake of the divine nature. 2 Peter 1:2-4 That is called being born again.

 

[marks]

I believe that it is characteristic of those who fall away that they originally receive the gospel anonymously with joy (Matthew 13:20 (kjv)). Because they did not make their profession public,

It's not so much anonymously, rather, the idea is "immediately".

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

It's not so much anonymously, rather, the idea is "immediately".

Much love!

The word in the kjv is, anon...

I take that as short for, anonymously.

 

[marks]

You are the one who misquoted me on purpose, because you would have had to only copy the portion that would make me look like I meant the WHOLE Bible. Where this mental condition comes from that keeps you doing this junk, I want no part of. You are a roller-coaster that just likes to invent things to whine about.

This isn't working. Put me on ignore, and I'll do the same.

I'll leave the posts to speak for themselves, included this above.

You are the one who brought in the ad hominems, I'm simply calling attention to it. Escalating a situation so that you can point to it as the reason to step away . . . you can do that anytime you like, you don't need the excuse.

Now seems to be a good time.

 

[marks]

The word in the kjv is, anon...

I take that as short for, anonymously.

From Blue Letter Bible:

The KJV translates Strong's G2117 in the following manner: straight (5x), right (3x), immediately (3x), straightway (2x), anon (1x), by and by (1x), forthwith (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. straight, level
   
   
2. straight forward, upright, true, sincere
   
   
3. straightway, immediately, forthwith

This is the NASB:

20 The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

From Blue Letter Bible:

The KJV translates Strong's G2117 in the following manner: straight (5x), right (3x), immediately (3x), straightway (2x), anon (1x), by and by (1x), forthwith (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. straight, level
   
   
2. straight forward, upright, true, sincere
   
   
3. straightway, immediately, forthwith

This is the NASB:

20 The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.

Much love!

I don't think that you can exclude anonymously from the equation.

Those who don't receive and/or confess Jesus publicly are in fact more likely to fall away.

 

[marks]

I don't think that you can exclude anonymously from the equation.

Those who don't receive and/or confess Jesus publicly are in fact more likely to fall away.

I'm just looking at what the text says. I'm not trying to include or exclude anything, only to know what Jesus taught, not more and not less.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

I'll leave the posts to speak for themselves, included this above.

You are the one who brought in the ad hominems, I'm simply calling attention to it. Escalating a situation so that you can point to it as the reason to step away . . . you can do that anytime you like, you don't need the excuse.

Now seems to be a good time.

I'll miss the normal you, but this off the wall, alter-ego that surfaces occasionally, I can do without.

Best wishes for your life, CL

 

[Nancy]

Interesting!

As a Spirit filled believer, you "got away" with sin?

Not that I have any issue with you saying this, it just doesn't seems consistent with your soteriology.

Much love!

Hi Mark,
I'm pretty sure CL was speaking of when she was a babe in Christ...on the milk, stumbling, learning, growing, maturing...
I could be wrong, but I don't think so...

 

[Behold]

What do you believe that means regarding acts of the flesh? You seem to think it has to do with Romans 4, and acts of the flesh are no longer sins imputed against us. Am I understanding you correctly?

Sins are on Christ, they are not on the Born again.
If you had your sin, you would be going to Hell as no sinner is going to go to Heaven.
SIN, is the reason a person is LOST.
God came here to deal with the Sin issue, became sin , and restores a person into a sinless condition by giving them the "gift of Righteousness".
You can't be both in your sin and have God's Righteousness.

Also...As ive posted to you 5x... = Works of the Flesh, as defined by Paul, are these..

Galatians 5:

19 Now the works of the FLESH = are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,

Paul then teaches... "if you walk in the Spirit you will not commit WORKS OF THE FLESH".
See that list?
"if you walk in the Spirit, you shall not commit that LIST".

 

[Behold]

I also do not use the term justified by faith in what I teach, and justbyfaith and I do not see eye to eye which is why I've got him on ignore. I can't even remember anymore what he believes. As usual, you assume very ignorant things about me.I can't help but abide in Him, and He in me; we just are. If you aren't abiding, you are not born again?

Justbyfaith, similar to you, was ruined by the Charismatic cult.
You managed to realize how crazy it is and have tried to separate yourself from most of it, tho you still have some of the mindset because you call yourself charismaticlady.
Justbyfaith is a sort of hybrid Grace + Legalsim theologically confused mess.
He had the misfortune to not realize that the Bible is not a toy, its not a place to play, and he ended up in Hebrews and it harmed him.
So, as the Charismanic's all teach that you can lose your salvation, and are needing some "2nd infilling", he has that issue + he was really harmed by the Epistle to the HEBREWs, and so, He is a typical case of "well im saved as long as i DO THIS and DONT DO THAT", pretending to be justified by faith.
Ive talked to him for 2 months.
He's can't hear., and has no desire to hear.
Typical Charismatic who has been run over by Hebrews Chapter 10.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sins are on Christ, they are not on the Born again.
If you had your sin, you would be going to Hell as no sinner is going to go to Heaven.
SIN, is the reason a person is LOST.
God came here to deal with the Sin issue, became sin , and restores a person into a sinless condition by giving them the "gift of Righteousness".
You can't be both in your sin and have God's Righteousness.

Also...As ive posted to you 5x... = Works of the Flesh, as defined by Paul, are these..

Galatians 5:

19 Now the works of the FLESH = are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,

Paul then teaches... "if you walk in the Spirit you will not commit WORKS OF THE FLESH".
See that list?
"if you walk in the Spirit, you shall not commit that LIST".

So if you start doing one or more of those works of the flesh repeatedly, knowing it as sin as a born again, does Jesus have that sin and it is not imputed to you, or do you own it, and will it jeopardize you inheriting the Kingdom of God?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Justbyfaith, similar to you, was ruined by the Charismatic cult.
You managed to realize how crazy it is and have tried to separate yourself from most of it, tho you still have some of the mindset because you call yourself charismaticlady.
Justbyfaith is a sort of hybrid Grace + Legalsim theologically confused mess.
He had the misfortune to not realize that the Bible is not a toy, its not a place to play, and he ended up in Hebrews and it harmed him.
So, as the Charismanic's all teach that you can lose your salvation, and are needing some "2nd infilling", he has that issue + he was really harmed by the Epistle to the HEBREWs, and so, He is a typical case of "well im saved as long as i DO THIS and DONT DO THAT", pretending to be justified by faith.
Ive talked to him for 2 months.
He's can't hear., and has no desire to hear.
Typical Charismatic who has been run over by Hebrews Chapter 10.

Sorry, but seeing as I have him on ignore, I haven't seen, let alone read his posts for a while.

But I see here something that is typical in your posts, and those who I see "like" your posts. You believe obedience is Legalism. Obedience is abiding in Christ and He in me - something else you say is not necessary - abiding.

I see you also don't know what the second impartation of the Spirit is for. You seem to think if is for a person who loses their salvation, and is coming back. LOL