How to go to Hell. Pt 1

[Behold]

Friend believing cannot be doing nothing

"BELIEVING" = is what God requires of you, to then GIVE TO YOU< the Salvation that Jesus has accomplished on the Cross.
You'll note that when He had finished SALVATION< He said from the Cross...>"it is FINISHED".
Salvation was FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago, on THE CROSS, and proven by The Resurrection of Jesus.
This Finished Salvation, is OFFERED TO THE WORD.........John 3:16.....to all who will believe.
If you will, then God will apply to you, what Christ has FINISHED...

"the GIFT of Salvation".

 

[AceWestfall08]

Abraham was facing two difficult decisions. Either believe God and keep hope of having a child, or not believe God and dwell in sadness over not having a child.

Abraham chose hope and was rewarded for that.
My God is a God of hope and comfort. Not fear mongering and total admiration for his Son

 

[Behold]

Abraham was facing two difficult decisions. Either believe God and keep hope of having a child, or not believe God and dwell in sadness over not having a child.
Abraham chose hope and was rewarded for that.
My God is a God of hope and comfort. Not fear mongering and total admiration for his Son

Galatians 3:6-9

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"BELIEVING" = is what God requires of you, to then GIVE TO YOU< the Salvation that Jesus has accomplished on the Cross.
You'll note that when He had finished SALVATION< He said from the Cross...>"it is FINISHED".
Salvation was FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago, on THE CROSS, and proven by The Resurrection of Jesus.
This Finished Salvation, is OFFERED TO THE WORD.........John 3:16.....to all who will believe.
If you will, then God will apply to you, what Christ has FINISHED...

"the GIFT of Salvation".

Eph 2:8,9 "Believeing" (having mental assent) doesn't get it done - it takes FAITH (Heb 11:1) - which is gifted by God.

 

[Behold]

Eph 2:8,9 "Believeing" (having mental assent) doesn't get it done -
.

Bob, you are just posting the idea of semantics as proof that "belief" and "faith" are not the same.

Paul said, "all that believe shall be saved"
Jesus said...>"all that believe in me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish">
"The work of God is that you BELIEVE on Jesus, whom God sent".

What is that? that's TRUST. Trust is Faith, and Belief is Trust.

So, isn't it better to try to add some insight to this discussion, vs trying to bring in a disagreement regarding semantics to try to rabbit trail the Thread?
You can do better, if you try.

 

[theefaith]

Carry that logic to its end.
Since babies cannot have faith.
Babies are not required to be baptized.

then they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven Jn 3:5

 

[theefaith]

Jesus' apostles.
No more apostles after the apostles.
Give book, chapter and verse for apostles appointing other apostles when they die?

Jn 20:21-23

same mission power and authority as Christ! Christ made apostles so the apostles have authority to make more apostles also Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18 authority to bind
Also Matt 28:19-29 I am with you (the apostles) till the end or He returns
Also acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

 

[Behold]

then they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven Jn 3:5

I taught this yesterday , but i'll do it again for you, Theefaith.


The Kingdom of Heaven is this..

Luke 17:21....(Jesus speaking, and He should know)... "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, = the kingdom of God is within you.""


Now, lets look at Paul's definition, and notice that it's also speaking about a SPIRITUAL Kingdom.

Romans 14:17.... """"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.""""

Now let me show you how to understand being born again, = into the Kingdom of God.

Its this spiritual Birth =. "Translated from Darkness, .....TO Light".

See that?
That is the conversion of an unbeliever into a : SON of God.
See that Spiritual Transition?
"unbelief" and the "Adamic nature...is the "DARKNESS"....and the born again SPIRITUALLY leave this and enter "TO LIGHT".

Jesus is the LIGHT of the World.
God exists in LIGHT
The born again, become "children OF THE = LIGHT".

See that?
That is how you enter the KOG and it enters you........its by being BORN AGAIN, into it.......by becoming....>"ONE WITH GOD"...>"in Christ"... Born again.

 

[theefaith]

To be saved by the gospel is for their children. Not baptism as children.
When their children come to the point of faith they may be saved by obeying the gospel.

what if they die before that with original sin on their soul?

 

[Behold]

what if they die before that with original sin on their soul?

Jesus died for the Sin of the world. John 3:16

"Jesus BECAME Sin"... 2 Corinthians 5:21

See that?
When you are born again, God has placed YOUR SIN, all of it, on Christ, and you receive "the righteousness of God", in Christ.

Your SIN, is on JESUS, who died for the "sin of the world". 1 John 2:2

Reader, let me show you the WONDER of this "sin bearer" who has your sin, if you are born again.
Notice that Jesus's blood and death on the Cross, IS for the sin of the WORLD.
See it?
So, if the blood atonement takes care of the entire world's sin........SURELY it can deal with yours for a few more years, and has..

"The Gift of Salvation" is a wonder and a miracle.
Thank you JESUS !!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Bob, you are just posting the idea of semantics as proof that "belief" and "faith" are not the same.

Which is true. "Belief" (mental assent) doesn't have any of the attributes of FAITH.

"BElief" has no substance, and isn't an evidence of ANYTHING whatsoever (except how you feel at the time).

The devils, and satan BELIEVE in Jesus, probably with much greater clarity than we do. But that doesn't "save" them.

Mark 11:22-24 Presents "Belief" - WITHOUT DOUBT which = FAITH. That's why "Word of Faith" teaching doesn't work. Because they'r only PRETENDING to "have Faith" and using "methods", and "Professions" to make their DOUBT go away (which it doesn't).

YOU have to hold onto and defend "Belief", but FAITH holds on to you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Simply believe once with no obedience no work.
And from that moment in time, you are saved forever and nothing must be done from that moment to get to heaven.
No fruit. No continuing to believe. Nothing else required.
That is faith only salvation.
The bible condemns it,
James 2:24.

I agree with this completely, as long as we understand what 'required' means. Works are not required to convert you. They are required to validate you as being converted.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

God saves you, through your faith, ONE TIME.........and the result of that, is "born again".

If you were really born again, you'd have the life to prove it. No proof means you're not born again, because born again CAN'T continue in sin (1 John 3:9). The author of Hebrews calls it "things that accompany salvation" (Hebrews 6:9). Without which you will, in the end, be burned as a barren, useless, thorny field (Hebrews 6:8). But Freegrace doctrine insists you will indeed be saved even if you are a fruitless, barren, useless piece of ground in the end. Freegrace doctrine deceives people in the church into thinking they are born again and ready to meet Christ when he comes back when they may not be born again at all. That doctrine rejects the Bible's exhortation to confirm your calling and election by diligently seeking to have and practice the traits of the Spirit (2 Peter 1:5-11).

 

[Ferris Bueller]

YOU have to hold onto and defend "Belief", but FAITH holds on to you.

Whether it does or not is the subject of many debates, but the Bible is clear that we are to hold on to the gospel in faith. Is that an automatic thing that happens to real believers? What does it matter whether it's automatic or not? Either way if you don't hold onto the gospel word you are an unbeliever and will not be saved when Jesus comes back. And so we should be focusing on what actually matters - that you are presently believing as evidenced by a change of life.

If the real believer can't help but to be presently and always believing, then good. They won't have any problem continuing to believe as the Bible exhorts us to do. The important matter is that they are believing, and that they know they really are by the evidence of the converted life. That is what the Bible teaches, but what Christians do not teach. Deferring instead to arguments about whether OSAS is true or not. Which may be interesting, but which have no practical value.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This is the heart of the confusion.
Folks do not understand how the Bible defines saving faith.

You are right. Not many people know that the faith that justifies all by itself is the faith that works:

"...faith expressing itself through love." Galatians 5:6​

That is the Biblical definition of the faith that justifies/saves apart from works. It is the faith that works. Faith that does not express itself through the obedience of love is simply not the faith that justifies apart from works, converting them. Evidence of conversion by faith apart from works is obedient work. Particularly work stemming from the qualities of the Spirit. No fruit means no Holy Spirit in salvation to produce that fruit. That's why obedience according to the fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of salvation and how that obedience makes one's calling and election sure.

 

[Behold]

YOU have to hold onto and defend "Belief", but FAITH holds on to you.

If you mean that "Jesus is the Author and FINISHER of your faith", then you are correct.

Hebrews 12:2

Jesus takes care of your faith, and God takes care of your redemption.
Philippians 1:6

Salvation is a GIFT.
Its provided, from beginning to end.

 

[Behold]

If you were really born again, you'd have the life to prove it.

I do have the life to prove it.
I have the ministry to prove it.
I have the years of teaching and preaching and evangelizing, that proves it.
Ive helped thousands to find their way along the walk of Faith.
Thats why im on Christian forums , and more than that, Teaching about the Cross Of Christ, while you are on this one, talking about your works and yourself.

Thats all you have to talk about, Ferris Bueller, as there is No Cross in your Theology, unless i shine the light on you and suddenly your mention it.
All my Posts and Thread do one thing..
They LIFT UP the Cross and they Give full credit Do, Jesus The Christ for saving us and keeping us saved.
You do not do this...but, you'll talk about your works works and works, and your "holding onto faith" so that you dont lose your salvation.
And you'll do it again as that is your RELIGION.

 

[theefaith]

Real easy . Learn those apostles , that doctrine well , and you yourself would have fled the CC .
Just cause a church makes the claim it follows Christ and the apostels , Dont mean IT DO .
Go and open the good book and learn for yourself .

acts 1:8 says I need their witness!
Lk 1:4 says I need to be instructed!
Matt 28:19 they must teach us!
Acts 8:31 the eunuch has and Was reading it, God sent and angel to direct the apostle to teach him!

 

[Behold]

That's why obedience according to the fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of salvation and how that obedience makes one's calling and election sure.

The Devil read the bible a while back.
About the time of Paul's letters...

You know what this means, Ferris Bueller? It means that He read the verse that says...>"you shall know them by their fruit".

Why does this matter?
Because once He read it, he understood that Believers would get caught up in works, and they would be unable to discern when the Devil's people were on a Christian forum, or in a Pulpit, preaching His Gospel of works.
See, the Devil knows that uninformed and not very well taught believers, will talk about fruit and works, and expect that this being shown by a "christian" is "proof" of being Real.
The Devil knows this, and that is why He comes as a "angel of Light"......and his "ministers as ministers of Righteousness".
They counterfeit Christianity. They FAKE IT. They talk about "righteousness", but not according to God's.
But according to their WORKS.

See that?
Take a good look.

 

[Behold]

the Bible is clear that we are to hold on to the gospel in faith.

Actually, Paul told you to prove that you are in the Faith.
James says to contend for the Real Faith.

What is that?

Faith in Christ vs, the Devil's Gospel, of Legalism, or..>"how i keep myself saved, by works and self effort and holding unto faith, as if FAITH is the Savior".

Do you see yourself?
That's your Theology, in hundreds of posts.