first thanks for the reply, second, See post #31, and then your post 45, 90, and yourself acting as a scholar, stating that we are .. “twisting” the scriptures, so who made you a scholar? also see posts 51, 57, 85
now I have given you every answer to your questions, now if you cannot comprehend what I'm saying leave it alone.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
This is simply not true .. In none of those posts do you address the words of Jesus in Matt/Mark. All you have been doing is quoting other scripture .. most of which has nothing to do with the topic - never mind refute the words of Jesus.
I get that you want to leave it alone - because so far you have done nothing but avoid the Jesus of Matt/Mark - because you "cant comprehend" and are trying to project your issues onto me.
Who was Jesus praying to - Himself ? - was he asking himself to take this cup from his hand. Did Jesus forget who he was and forsake himself ? Why can you not answer .. having trouble comprehending.
We are not finished with the words of Jesus - Matt 13: "At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect....32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "
Do riddle me that one por favor - with something other than the desperate and ridiculous "Gods ways are beyond our comprehension"
While that may be - the words of Jesus are easy to comprehend in this an other passages... Everytime Jesus opens his mouth about "The Father" in Matt-Mark - he is talking about someone other than himself.
Ohhh .. but look look .. you found one passage from Jesus -- Its really vague - and could mean many things - in the Gospel of John - written long after Matt-Mark .. and that sums it up.
Why is it that you can not accept the words of Jesus ?
Matt 7 - Sermon on the mount 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
What part of "The will of My Father who is in Heaven" are you having trouble comprehending ?
The first sentence of the NT - if we start with Mark is what ? "The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God"
Lets check the footnotes.
- Mark 1:1 Or Jesus Christ. Messiah (Hebrew) and Christ (Greek) both mean Anointed One.
- Mark 1:1 Some manuscripts do not have the Son of God.
"the anointed one sent by God" This is not God ... and nor did the author intend it to mean God .. what is Clear is that there is a sender - and a sendee .. .. the anointer .. and the anointee You see ... comprende vous ?
as luck would have it .. just a few inches down the page
"Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
This is not the story "The Father" coming down to earth .. This is the story of a man who was anointed as the Son of God at the age of 30.
You understand now ?