You better hope all things are possible to save you from your wretched bastardization of the words of our Lord. Otherwise known as "The unforgivable sin".
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You better hope all things are possible to save you from your wretched bastardization of the words of our Lord. Otherwise known as "The unforgivable sin".
101G
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Correct, the right hand, or right ARM, it's an anthropomorphism.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
101G
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@janc3, It is the “Arm”, “Hand” of God that “deliver”, or saves. It is the “Arm”, “Hand” of God that forgives. It is the “Arm”, “Hand” of God that have mercy. It is the “Arm”, “Hand” of God that redeems. Are we getting the picture?
amd that "POWER" is Christ himself, almighty GOD, scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
see, his "OWN" arm is him.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
amd that "POWER" is Christ himself, almighty GOD, scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
see, his "OWN" arm is him.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Give me a break - and quit making up nonsense in order to try and make scripture fit into your perspective.
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
There is nothing vague .. nor complex .. and certainly nothing suggesting that Jesus is God. To the contrary it plainly states that Jesus is not God.
The Author of Mark did not believe Jesus was God - or did the disciples - nor did the early Church Fathers for that matter - so there is no way the author of this passage would have meant what you are claiming.
Shall we search through Mark for other clues ? "My God My God - why have you forsaken me" Did God - while hanging on the cross in some masochistic bliss - for get who he was and start calling out for himself ? and think that some other God has forsaken him.. Who is the God of God ?
When Jesus prays to God "Take this cup from my hand" - who is he praying to .. himself ? ..and why would he request permission from himself . Clearly the author of Mark did not have the same perspective you do.
The author of Matt - writing some 20-30 years later - does not share your perspective either .. Matt 24: 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Why are you so desperate to ignore the Gospel of Mark and Matt ?
The idea that the Jews who wrote Isaiah believed that God would come down to earth in Person as the "Messiah" - the anointed one - is preposterous nonsense on steroids .. Full Stop. Absolutely Absurd.
No its not .. nowhere in Mark is the idea that Jesus is God-"The Father. The "right hand" of the Father means - on the right side of the Father.
Not complicated - but, if you do think you have a case .. support with Biblical Scholarship.
My hand has founded the earth and my right hand has stretched out the heavens; I speak - all of them stand there.
Through whom was everything created? Through the son! The son is the right hand!
Who came from heaven to earth and became man? The right hand! The right hand is the son!
What is the right hand? The power! The power ist the son!
The Right Hand of God went back where He came from! To the right hand of God!
Through whom was everything created? Through the son! The son is the right hand!
Who came from heaven to earth and became man? The right hand! The right hand is the son!
What is the right hand? The power! The power ist the son!
The Right Hand of God went back where He came from! To the right hand of God!
101G
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and to see Jesus as this Right hand or POWER,
1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"
1 Corinthians 1:23 "But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"
1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."
1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
the "POWER" of God is himself, JESUS, who is Spirit.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"
1 Corinthians 1:23 "But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"
1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."
1 Corinthians 1:25 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
the "POWER" of God is himself, JESUS, who is Spirit.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
None of the above supports your claim that Jesus is God - where are you getting this nonsense from . Christ was the emissary between Man and God .. "The Logos"
Yes .. God has a right hand and he uses it . Stating that someone sit's at the right hand of God is not stating that Jesus is God. You are making up nonsense and pretending it to be true.
When God says Mark 1 .. "This is my son whom I love .. and I am pleased with you" God is not saying ... This is me and I love myself and I am pleased with myself.
Why are you so desperate to ignore the words of God ?
BARNEY BRIGHT
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That's not true, Angels are said to be Sons of God, Adam the first man God created was a Son of God
101G
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Jesus, the Son, whom you say hand, "founded the earth and my right hand has stretched out the heavens" that's God own hand/ARM. listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
lets see who, is God's OWN ARM.
Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
now janc3, here in Isaiah 53 is this not Jesus whom you call the Son?
did not God say in Isaiah 63:5, "therefore mine own arm " question janc3 is your "own" arm you, or someone else?
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
No they are not .. Angels are not the "Son's of God" ... that is a desperate attempt by Religious Scholars and copyists in the past to bury the Truth.
Biblical Scholarship today - recognizes the fact that the Israelite's were not monotheists. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf
Go to Page 7 to read how Deuteronomy 32:43 is supposed to read !
God is spirit, God's spirit is power, God's spirit is his right hand, God himself is the power and the spirit.
and the spirit of God hovered over the waters and said: Let there be! Through the right hand of God was everything created
101G
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ERROR, the bible never calls angels "sons".
if so post your scripture.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Why are you posting from Isaiah - in some desperate attempt to justify your Trinity believes. This is Jewish Scripture - and the Jews do not even believe Jesus was the Messiah .. never mind "God The Father"
The "anointed one" - the Christ - the Messiah - of Isaiah is Cyrus the Great.
101G
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That's JESUS. from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 that's all Jesus.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Including the son.
Only one time in the NT gospels do we hear from God directly. Mark 1 - at the baptism of Jesus. What does God tell us in this one and only time he speaks ? That Jesus is not God.
After being anointed "Son of God" - what happens in the story ? Jesus undergoes the ritual trial/testing in the desert.
Does Satan think Jesus is God ? Hell no "pardon the pun" Satan would not be stupid enough to ask God to bow down and worship him. Satan would not be stupid enough to offer God the whole world.
This is because Satan is also one of God's son's - one who does not go against the will of his Father .. as told to us in Job.
What is more ridiculous is thinking that Mark - in writing this - believed that Jesus was God.
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