Is Christ now only a spirt or still a resurrected man

[ScottA]

Where do you get that Jesus always taught in parables?

Mark 4:11
And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,

 

[Peanut]

Where do you get that Jesus always taught in parables?

The Bible, by Jesus example is to be taken literally.

Your last paragraph makes no sense.

Stranger

Matthew 13
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

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[KBCid]

That's all the time I have right now, but I will reply further to all of your post when time allows my full attention.

It is interesting that you say that. So far I have given you replies from myself and scriptural reference and you said you would reply to what I wrote and yet you have pasted a number of links to others who do not answer to what I have written nor to the scripture I have referenced for you to examine.

So since it appears that you are set with the understanding that you have then scriptural reference by me is not profitable for you. In the end we should always seek to God for understanding and test anyones words against the scripture. Thankyou for your time.

 

[Stranger]

Mark 4:11
And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,

These speak to the mystery of the kingdom of God. It doesn't mean everything in the Bible is a parable. In other words, it doesn't give you the license to dream up whatever you like. Which is what you do.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Matthew 13
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

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Public Domain

So? This doesn't teach that Jesus always taught in parables. I am not saying that Jesus didn't use parables. But not everything Jesus said is a parable to be mutilated by you and ScottA and others, by which you come up with your own words and interpretation, by which you can make Scripture say anything.

Stranger

 

[ScottA]

These speak to the mystery of the kingdom of God. It doesn't mean everything in the Bible is a parable. In other words, it doesn't give you the license to dream up whatever you like. Which is what you do.

Stranger

So...you, Mr. Literal, can pick and choose what you take as literal, but no one else can? Right!

Nonetheless, all things are a manifest declaration of things on high ("of the kingdom of God") made in his image and likeness. But, go ahead, pick an choose...

 

[Stranger]

So...you, Mr. Literal, can pick and choose what you take as literal, but no one else can? Right!

Nonetheless, all things are a manifest declaration of things on high ("of the kingdom of God") made in his image and likeness. But, go ahead, pick an choose...

No, I don't pick and choose. If Scripture indicates something is a parable or a symbol, then it is to be interpreted as such. But, with you, it is all parable, and all symbolic, so that you can dream up your own interpretation and look...oh so spiritual. Because you make it sound so...good. And... nauseous.

You know nothing of the kingdom of God. It is just a spring board for you to sound spiritual.

Stranger

 

[pia]

God is love. Who would gain the most in making people believe the God of love would eternally torture those who have failed?
Most people have the teachings of men in their heads and no amount of scriptural references seem to matter one bit even though we are commanded to live by every word of God and to test the spirits against the scriptures to discern the evil from the good.

How many Christians even know what the first words of God were?

I had a very hard time of it about all that hell stuff, I refused to believe it, but a few of the pastors I ended up under, kept telling me that it is true and it was our job to save people from themselves, which I found out later isn't possible.....As the old saying goes :" You can bring a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink."
However, I have experienced a place which was an absolute and total void, zero light, zero sound, couldn't even see my own arm ( which felt like it was still there) , that is where Jesus saved me from on that fateful night. I don't know the time I was out of my body, but my body took a littler while to get warm when I got back, not important anyway.....
So yeah, no devils, no flames, no smell, NO ANYTHING.........It was positively terrifying I can tell you, and often I think of (by now decades ) the fact that if Jesus hadn't got me out of there, I would perhaps still be there brrrrr.
All I can recommend is that, not only to live BY every word of God, learn to live WITH THE Word of God, as close to you as at all possible.......
Blessings Pia

 

[pia]

Life is too short to get stressed over things.

Bravo...yeah and especially about this subject lol

 

[Helen]

Bravo...yeah and especially about this subject lol

It was lovely to read your testimony on post #68
Those experiences last us a life time.

KBCid .....Very interesting thread.

 

[ScottA]

No, I don't pick and choose. If Scripture indicates something is a parable or a symbol, then it is to be interpreted as such. But, with you, it is all parable, and all symbolic, so that you can dream up your own interpretation and look...oh so spiritual. Because you make it sound so...good. And... nauseous.

You know nothing of the kingdom of God. It is just a spring board for you to sound spiritual.

Stranger

"God is spirit."

Obviously you have a problem with that.

 

[KBCid]

No, I don't pick and choose. If Scripture indicates something is a parable or a symbol, then it is to be interpreted as such. But, with you, it is all parable, and all symbolic, so that you can dream up your own interpretation and look...oh so spiritual. Because you make it sound so...good. And... nauseous. You know nothing of the kingdom of God. It is just a spring board for you to sound spiritual. Stranger

That is the proper way to examine the dividing of God's word for parables. This topic may be worthy of its own thread since properly dividing God's word should be an important part of any Christians life.

 

[Peanut]

So? This doesn't teach that Jesus always taught in parables. I am not saying that Jesus didn't use parables. But not everything Jesus said is a parable to be mutilated by you and ScottA and others, by which you come up with your own words and interpretation, by which you can make Scripture say anything.

Stranger

No, it does teach that Jesus always taught in parables.
Which is why his Disciples asked him about that teaching method.
Link

It's really strange that there are but a few people here who are always wanting to be argumentative when speaking about the teachings of the Prince of Peace.

 

[Peanut]

It is interesting that you say that. So far I have given you replies from myself and scriptural reference and you said you would reply to what I wrote and yet you have pasted a number of links to others who do not answer to what I have written nor to the scripture I have referenced for you to examine.

So since it appears that you are set with the understanding that you have then scriptural reference by me is not profitable for you. In the end we should always seek to God for understanding and test anyones words against the scripture. Thankyou for your time.

You're welcome.

 

[Stranger]

No, it does teach that Jesus always taught in parables.
Which is why his Disciples asked him about that teaching method.
Link

It's really strange that there are but a few people here who are always wanting to be argumentative when speaking about the teachings of the Prince of Peace.

Please. The reason why the disciples asked is because Jesus had not taught in parables before. Thus they were wanting to know why. And Jesus told them why. Concerning the kingdom of God, it is now taught in parabolic form. To hide truth form those who reject Him and reveal truth to those who follow Him. (Matt. 13:10-11)

Stranger

 

[Peanut]

Please. The reason why the disciples asked is because Jesus had not taught in parables before. Thus they were wanting to know why. And Jesus told them why. Concerning the kingdom of God, it is now taught in parabolic form. To hide truth form those who reject Him and reveal truth to those who follow Him. (Matt. 13:10-11)

Stranger

Scripture please. Wherein Jesus taught in plain talk.

Do you know how many parables Jesus delivered in his ministry?

Jesus also used miracles as a teaching form. (edit to add that)

 

[Stranger]

Scripture please. Wherein Jesus taught in plain talk.

Do you know how many parables Jesus delivered in his ministry?

Didn't I just give you Scripture?

Stranger

 

[Peanut]

Jesus taught through miracles also.

Didn't I just give you Scripture?

Stranger

Yes. That scripture supports my prior statement. That Jesus always taught in parables. And of course, through miracles.

 

[Stranger]

Jesus taught through miracles also.
Yes. That scripture supports my prior statement. That Jesus always taught in parables. And of course, through miracles.

No it doesn't as I explained in post #75. See (Matt. 13:10-11). The only reason the disciples asked is becuase Jesus hadn't been teaching in parables.

Stranger

 

[Peanut]

No it doesn't as I explained in post #75. See (Matt. 13:10-11). The only reason the disciples asked is becuase Jesus hadn't been teaching in parables.

Matthew 13:10-11 (KJV)
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Matthew is the first book of the Synoptic Gospels. All chapters prior to chapter 13 have Jesus teaching in parable form. And also as the full Gospels show, through miracles.
Matthew 13 is the inquiry by the Disciples as to why Jesus always uses that form of teaching, parables.