Is Drinking a sin?

[robert derrick]

Now there's that good, honorable Christian we all know and love.

You seem awfully desperate to make a case FOR Alcohol Consumption - I mean WELL beyond "it's everybody's own personal prerogative."

Are you sure you're not getting a fat kick-back from the multi-BILLION dollar a year alcohol industry to man these boards and silence ANY & ALL opposition to the Alcohol lobby??

(SHHHHHhhhhh ... I won't tell.;))

Not only that, but I would do the same for tobacco, because as a Christian and American I refuse to be sucked into self-righteous fascism.

And I do not compel nor try to make the case for alcohol nor tobacco. I only rebuke and expose those who go out of heir way to make it a sin, when God has not. And that is the very spirit of self-righteousness of the Pharisees et al, who had Jesus crucified.

And your inability to get a joke made out of someone's else's senseless statement shows the spirit you are of. I mean, even if you disagree, you got to at least admit the wit of it.

The point being, I never said I drink alcohol nor smoke tobacco. And neither do I compel nor condemn any one way or the other, because none are worse if they do eat meat and drink wine, and certainly none like yourself are better if you don't. (1 Cor 8)

I am not the good honorable Christian that you would want to know and love, and believe me, I know by my Lord Jesus I certainly avoid your type. (Rom 16)

You are a child. A self-righteous and pompous one. And when I became a man, full grown in the Scriptures, I put away such childish things, because my beginning 13 years as a believer was ruined by being caught up with such as you. I am free now and completely in the perfect Law of Liberty of Christ, and I will never ever again be brought under bondage by the laws and commandments of men, who think they are above scripture and other lesser sheep, so that they begin adding their own carnal ordinances and rules, which they cannot even show one Scripture that states it plainly and for sure.

Quote one, or leave teaching of the law to them who know whereof they speak. (1 Tim 1)

 

[robert derrick]

"Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh." (Prov 23)

"Do not have anything to do with those who drink alcohol." (Lawmaking #101)

" Who has woe,...sorrow,...contentions,...complaints,...wounds without cause,...redness of eyes? Those who linger...at the wine"

This is truly the heart of the self-righteous. They smile, they say God bless, they pray for you to become like themselves. But if not, they cast out your name as unpure and unholy.

They make absolutely no difference in Scripture neither in life between them that drink wine at dinner like Jesus, and them that live a life of drunkenness riotousness, ruining themselves by hours of lingering wine time in worshipping a pagan god.

Be strong in the Word therefore, and with sound doctrine of Scripture written plainly, see your accuser cast out of his high and holiness seat in the air. (Rev 12:10)

I don't want such accusers to have anything to do with me, according to their manual of Christian living. And I certainly don't want them praying for me, lest I become one of them...

 

[robert derrick]

You are a silly, silly individual, sir. The verse I quoted is identical in the KJV and NKJV besides the difference in the word devil and demon. Look for yourself.

I'd like to ask YOU that question, but it's always clear when somebody is attacking a messenger, as opposed to their message, it is because they have no other play. They are beaten. Shame on you, Robert.

You're exactly right and who's doing the hating and complaining? That's right, YOU.

Again, you're spot on!

God Bless. I'll pray for you.

You are a silly, silly individual, sir Shame on you, Robert. That's right, YOU.

Now you are being halfway real. Which I far prefer to your pseudo care and concern for others, and what is best for them.

I stand corrected. Luke 7 Scripture has John neither eating bread nor drinking wine...which proves the point even better. (I was from Matthew 11)

Neither bread nor drinking wine is a sin to be avoided. And when Jesus spoke of it pertaining to himself, then it was in the context of eating bread and drinking wine.

And 'wine' in the Bible is just that. Wine. Anti-wine crusaders made up the myth otherwise that 'wine' means grapejuice, and that myth has only been recent in history.

And so thank you for your correction, I'll remember it in future.

However, My prayer for you is that your obey your own law to not have anything to do with those who drink alcohol.

Better to keep to yourselves than to go out of your way to proselytize to others your faith that is not written.

Still waiting on the one Scripture of "it is a sin to drink wine and strong drink"

 

[GEN2REV]

Ok ... so I see your passion for the topic.

I'll take a step back and keep my opinions on the matter to myself.















Here's what Stedfast Baptist Church has to say on the matter.

Surely they're a devilish and woefully corrupt bunch!!

 

[April_Rose]

Ok ... so I see your passion for the topic.

I'll take a step back and keep my opinions on the matter to myself.















Here's what Stedfast Baptist Church has to say on the matter.

Surely they're a devilish and woefully corrupt bunch!!

*Sigh* This is what the Bible says. (And I for one am amazed that this "man of God" used the term retarded) Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get DRUNK with wine." It's talking about getting drunk as overdoing it. (There are many other Bible verses that state this as well, even though I agree with the fact that Jesus could have very well drunk non-alcoholic wine but it doesn't specifically say and the act of drinking itself as long as you are of age isn't a sin.)

 

[Raccoon1010]

No.Getting drunk is a sin.

I'm a little unsure about that. The bible only says not to day drink all the time.

 

[Amazed@grace]

I'm a little unsure about that. The bible only says not to day drink all the time.

I think you'll find it says more than just that.
What Does the Bible Say About Getting Drunk?

 

[Raccoon1010]

I think you'll find it says more than just that.
What Does the Bible Say About Getting Drunk?

Well I still drink sometimes so I'll have to quit.

 

[April_Rose]

Well I still drink sometimes so I'll have to quit.

I honestly don't see that as a problem. All I see everywhere is the word drunk when it comes to the actual sin.

 

[robert derrick]

I'm a little unsure about that. The bible only says not to day drink all the time.

Now that's cute.

"For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night..."? (1 Thess 5)

 

[robert derrick]

Ok ... so I see your passion for the topic.

I'll take a step back and keep my opinions on the matter to myself.

Here's what Stedfast Baptist Church has to say on the matter.

Surely they're a devilish and woefully corrupt bunch!!

[/QUOTE]
I too get hot about certain things, and the Lord let me know to cool it.

I have no problem at all about opinions, so long as they are not preached for Scripture. In that case, they must be plainly verified by Scripture.

This is a case of trying to teach a point of law (James 2:10). Not a general principle (Prov 20:1).

Law of Christ is strictly and distinctly codified by God only in Scripture. The reason being that to make law is to define sin and provide accurate charge of transgression and resultant wrath of God upon the unrepentant. (Rom 4:15)

Points of law are 'carnal ordinances' (Heb 9:10), that are strictly enforceable by the church on pain of duty bound ostracism. (1 Cor 5:11)

My exhortation is therefore to take such law teaching very seriously. When one declares all drinking of alcohol is sin, he is saying that all those doing so and confessing Christ are: Transgressors. Hypocrites. Call Him Lord with lips only. Not worthy of keeping company with in the fellowship of the saints.

It is not just a lifestyle exhortation to be lovingly decreed for the good of others. It is a law that declares who is guilty before God and the church, and who is not.

Such things are so serious, that the Lord chose only 12 apostles to personally give His commandment, doctrine, law, and rule. (Acts 1). It was those going out from the 'apostles' doctrine' (1 John 2), making up their own rule of law, that caused the first divisions in the church, that Paul prayed would be cut off to stop troubling the new believers. (Gal 5)

They are called false apostles, and Jesus applauded them that tried their doctrine of rule, and found them liars pertaining to Scripture (Rev 2).

Therefore, the demand is more than justified and very simple: without burdensome argument, culture history, biochemistry, etc... Give one single Scripture that cannot be disputed, that drinking any alcohol any time is a sin.

And Prov 20 does not do that. It states a general principle about anything in the world that must be partaken of with sober minded judgment. Anything could be put in place of wine and have the same results, whether food, money, sex, ministry, etc...They are ALL raging mockers when consumed with the lust of the flesh and of the world.

The love of money is the root of all evil, not money. And they that are deceived and drunken by wine are foolish and transgressing the law of Christ.

Wine is to sex to food to dress to money as drunkenness is to fornication to gluttony to ostentation to coveteousness...

 

[robert derrick]

Surely they're a devilish and woefully corrupt bunch!!

I stopped listening at the first sentence.

False accusation against Christian believers is no way to begin a 'sermon'.

The only ones ever to accuse Jesus of being a 'winebibbing drunkard', were those who slandered him purposely, because he had eaten food and drank wine with sinners. They despised Him, not for eating and drinking alone, but for doing it with people the great leaders determined were beneath contempt.

Jesus' offense to them was that they had let Him in their homes to eat and drink, and then he had the unmitigated gall to go eat and drink in homes of 'sinners'.

It simply never fails, that those who are preaching a point of law not plainly written in Scripture go on to accuse those who object for something they never said, nor would think to: Jesus was not, and no Christian lover of Jesus should be found, a winebibbing drunkard.

Otherwise, they deserve to have no company of the saints, except they repent openly of their openly committed transgressions.

 

[GEN2REV]

Give one single Scripture that cannot be disputed, that drinking any alcohol any time is a sin.

I'm not sure there is such a thing, Robert. That's why God wrote the entire Bible with 66 books (many more, actually) and not just a single list of Commands.

Every verse can be debated and disputed, and often are. Even the 10 Commandments.

Thou shalt not murder? Ok, well, ... can we beat a man to within an inch of his life? Long as he lives? Why not? Show me the verse!

How bout rape? Can you show me a single indisputable verse for that? I'm positive it doesn't exist.

Demanding a single indisputable verse is very much like a young person demanding somebody prove that they're not allowed to do something they really want to do, but know they maybe shouldn't.

That's why those who truly love God study the entire Bible regularly so there can be no mistaking God's Opinions. That's also where the guidance of the Holy Spirit comes in with divine discernment.

After all, as Christians, don't we all have a responsibility to maintain the Holy Temple of the Spirit that God has given us?

And is there any debate that alcohol destroys, literally kills, cells within the body? Even a small amount of alcohol.

There's no such thing as a Casual Christian just like there's no such thing as a Casual Drinker. You're either in it sincerely or you're not in it at all.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, drinks alcohol, in any form, NOT to catch a buzz. If you're drinking to catch a buzz, you are drinking for the effects of the alcohol. And the effects of alcohol are exactly what leads to sin.

God bless.

 

[GEN2REV]

*Sigh* This is what the Bible says. (And I for one am amazed that this "man of God" used the term retarded) Ephesians 5:18 "Do not get DRUNK with wine." It's talking about getting drunk as overdoing it. (There are many other Bible verses that state this as well, even though I agree with the fact that Jesus could have very well drunk non-alcoholic wine but it doesn't specifically say and the act of drinking itself as long as you are of age isn't a sin.)

Remember though, there is no verse in scripture that states that Jesus drank ANY form of wine.

 

[April_Rose]

Remember though, there is no verse in scripture that states that Jesus drank ANY form of wine.

Whatever, not my point.

 

[GEN2REV]

Whatever, not my point.

My apologies.

I thought it was a relevant point.

 

[April_Rose]

My apologies.

It's alright, don't worry about it. :)

 

[Raccoon1010]

Remember though, there is no verse in scripture that states that Jesus drank ANY form of wine.

That's not true, they called him a gluten and a winebibber for a reason:

Luke 7:34
The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

 

[Berserk]

Give strong drink to one who is perishing and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more (Proverbs 30:6)."

 

[Raccoon1010]

Give strong drink to one who is perishing and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more (Proverbs 30:6)."

Yeah that's kinda why I drink, and I often wonder if God allows me to have some. Not totally sure how that works.