Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?

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"Every true Christian believes that spiritual healing, salvation of the soul from
sin, is to be found only in the death of Christ, but there is disagreement as to
whether His death is supposed to provide physical health also for the believer.
Some teach that Christ bore our sicknesses upon the Cross as well as our sins,
and that it is therefore as much the will of God that we be healed of sickness
as to be saved from sin.

Since salvation is received through faith, healing must come in the same
manner, and if one is not healed it proves he doesn’t have faith. If the
premise of this argument is true, i. e. that Christ died for our sickness and
that God is not willing that any should be sick, then the above conclusion
logically follows; but we ask: Is the premise true?

This teaching is based upon Matthew 8:17: “Himself took our infirmities, and
bare our sicknesses,” a quotation from Isaiah 53:4. But the all important thing
to see is that Jesus fulfilled this scripture three years before His death. He was
bearing their sicknesses all during His earthly ministry, but He never bore any
one’s sins until He died upon the tree. Since the Bible declares that He fulfilled
the work of bearing sicknesses before Has death, any teaching is proved false
which claims He fulfilled that work in His death.

The second important fact is found in the word “bare”. Peter tells us that Christ
“bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” This word is “anaphero” in the Greek,
and means to bring to the altar or to offer a sacrifice. It is used in Hebrews 9:28:

“Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”;​

and most significantly the translators of the Septuagint chose this word in
Isaiah 53:12: “and he bare the sins of many.” But there is an entirely different
word used regarding the bearing of sickness in Matthew 8:17. It is “bastazo”
and means to lift or to carry or to endure. It is never used of bearing sins.
This is the same word John the Baptist used in Matthew 3:11: “whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear.”

Paul used it in Galatians 6:2: “bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the
law of Christ.” Paul asked Christians to do in Romans 15:1 exactly what Christ
did: “bear the infirmities (or sicknesses) of the weak,” but he never told any
Christian to bear the sins of another. And again, most significantly the
Septuagint uses this same word in Isaiah 53:4: “surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Thus Christ bore sicknesses in an altogether
different sense from which He bore sins.

The third fact is based upon logic. If healing is in the atonement to the same
extent as salvation, then one possesses salvation to the extent he enjoys
physical health. But since all Christians in the past have died, and mostly
from disease, this would prove that all had lost salvation; for all surely
lost health.

Fourthly, Paul, the model Christian, gloried in his infirmities (II Corinthians 11:30;
II Corinthians 12:9 and 10—this word means sickness, the same word as used in
Matthew 8:17). If sickness is contrary to the will of God, then Paul gloried in being
out of the will of God, and it was the Grace of God which taught him to do it.

Fifthly, this teaching denies such Scriptures as Romans 8:23: “but ourselves also,
which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Yes, praise God, our
salvation includes a body as perfect as Christ’s own glorious body, but none will
receive it until the resurrection for which we wait.

Lastly, let it be noticed that God promised health to Israel along with other
temporal blessings. He revealed Himself as Jehovah-Ropheca, the Lord that
healeth thee (Exodus 15:26). See also Deuteronomy 28:1 to 14. But not one
of these promises can be found directed to the Body of Christ, but often just
the opposite. God not only promised to heal but to make rich (Deuteronomy
28:11 and 12). Therefore if you are not rich it is just as much a sign of
unfaithfulness as if you are sick.

Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)

Amen.
 
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"Every true Christian believes that spiritual healing, salvation of the soul from
sin, is to be found only in the death of Christ, but there is disagreement as to
whether His death is supposed to provide physical health also for the believer.
Some teach that Christ bore our sicknesses upon the Cross as well as our sins,
and that it is therefore as much the will of God that we be healed of sickness
as to be saved from sin.

Since salvation is received through faith, healing must come in the same
manner, and if one is not healed it proves he doesn’t have faith. If the
premise of this argument is true, i. e. that Christ died for our sickness and
that God is not willing that any should be sick, then the above conclusion
logically follows; but we ask: Is the premise true?

This teaching is based upon Matthew 8:17: “Himself took our infirmities, and
bare our sicknesses,” a quotation from Isaiah 53:4. But the all important thing
to see is that Jesus fulfilled this scripture three years before His death. He was
bearing their sicknesses all during His earthly ministry, but He never bore any
one’s sins until He died upon the tree. Since the Bible declares that He fulfilled
the work of bearing sicknesses before Has death, any teaching is proved false
which claims He fulfilled that work in His death.

The second important fact is found in the word “bare”. Peter tells us that Christ
“bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” This word is “anaphero” in the Greek,
and means to bring to the altar or to offer a sacrifice. It is used in Hebrews 9:28:

“Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”;​

and most significantly the translators of the Septuagint chose this word in
Isaiah 53:12: “and he bare the sins of many.” But there is an entirely different
word used regarding the bearing of sickness in Matthew 8:17. It is “bastazo”
and means to lift or to carry or to endure. It is never used of bearing sins.
This is the same word John the Baptist used in Matthew 3:11: “whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear.”

Paul used it in Galatians 6:2: “bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the
law of Christ.” Paul asked Christians to do in Romans 15:1 exactly what Christ
did: “bear the infirmities (or sicknesses) of the weak,” but he never told any
Christian to bear the sins of another. And again, most significantly the
Septuagint uses this same word in Isaiah 53:4: “surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Thus Christ bore sicknesses in an altogether
different sense from which He bore sins.

The third fact is based upon logic. If healing is in the atonement to the same
extent as salvation, then one possesses salvation to the extent he enjoys
physical health. But since all Christians in the past have died, and mostly
from disease, this would prove that all had lost salvation; for all surely
lost health.

Fourthly, Paul, the model Christian, gloried in his infirmities (II Corinthians 11:30;
II Corinthians 12:9 and 10—this word means sickness, the same word as used in
Matthew 8:17). If sickness is contrary to the will of God, then Paul gloried in being
out of the will of God, and it was the Grace of God which taught him to do it.

Fifthly, this teaching denies such Scriptures as Romans 8:23: “but ourselves also,
which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Yes, praise God, our
salvation includes a body as perfect as Christ’s own glorious body, but none will
receive it until the resurrection for which we wait.

Lastly, let it be noticed that God promised health to Israel along with other
temporal blessings. He revealed Himself as Jehovah-Ropheca, the Lord that
healeth thee (Exodus 15:26). See also Deuteronomy 28:1 to 14. But not one
of these promises can be found directed to the Body of Christ, but often just
the opposite. God not only promised to heal but to make rich (Deuteronomy
28:11 and 12). Therefore if you are not rich it is just as much a sign of
unfaithfulness as if you are sick.

Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)

Amen.
This is a load of baloney big time.
A babe in Christ with a bible can debunk this thoroughly
 

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This is a load of baloney big time.
A babe in Christ with a bible can debunk this thoroughly

This is just your opinion. If "A babe in Christ with a bible can debunk this thoroughly" then why did you not provide that proof to confirm that the OP was a "load of baloney big time."

Without any substance in your rebuttal, you have not substantiated your claim.

At least the author of the quoted article provided scriptural evidence to support his claim.

Now whether or not I agree with the OP is irrelevant. You provided a false claim to debunk the OP.
 
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This is just your opinion. If "A babe in Christ with a bible can debunk this thoroughly" then why did you not provide that proof to confirm that the OP was a "load of baloney big time."

Without any substance in your rebuttal, you have not substantiated your claim.

At least the author of the quoted article provided scriptural evidence to support his claim.

Now whether or not I agree with the OP is irrelevant. You provided a false claim to debunk the OP.
I am not Baptist. So i am not hamstrung by yalls omissions.
We first see healing as part of the covenant with moses holding up the serpent on a pole.
A type of Jesus.
Anyone looking at that type was healed.
A DIRECT vivid picture of healing IN THE NEW COVENANT.
HEALING AND SALVATION...in the new covenant.
That would be a good place to start removing one's self from the cessationist lie.
 

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"Every true Christian believes that spiritual healing, salvation of the soul from
sin, is to be found only in the death of Christ, but there is disagreement as to
whether His death is supposed to provide physical health also for the believer.
Some teach that Christ bore our sicknesses upon the Cross as well as our sins,
and that it is therefore as much the will of God that we be healed of sickness
as to be saved from sin.

Since salvation is received through faith, healing must come in the same
manner, and if one is not healed it proves he doesn’t have faith. If the
premise of this argument is true, i. e. that Christ died for our sickness and
that God is not willing that any should be sick, then the above conclusion
logically follows; but we ask: Is the premise true?

This teaching is based upon Matthew 8:17: “Himself took our infirmities, and
bare our sicknesses,” a quotation from Isaiah 53:4. But the all important thing
to see is that Jesus fulfilled this scripture three years before His death. He was
bearing their sicknesses all during His earthly ministry, but He never bore any
one’s sins until He died upon the tree. Since the Bible declares that He fulfilled
the work of bearing sicknesses before Has death, any teaching is proved false
which claims He fulfilled that work in His death.

The second important fact is found in the word “bare”. Peter tells us that Christ
“bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” This word is “anaphero” in the Greek,
and means to bring to the altar or to offer a sacrifice. It is used in Hebrews 9:28:

“Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”;​

and most significantly the translators of the Septuagint chose this word in
Isaiah 53:12: “and he bare the sins of many.” But there is an entirely different
word used regarding the bearing of sickness in Matthew 8:17. It is “bastazo”
and means to lift or to carry or to endure. It is never used of bearing sins.
This is the same word John the Baptist used in Matthew 3:11: “whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear.”

Paul used it in Galatians 6:2: “bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the
law of Christ.” Paul asked Christians to do in Romans 15:1 exactly what Christ
did: “bear the infirmities (or sicknesses) of the weak,” but he never told any
Christian to bear the sins of another. And again, most significantly the
Septuagint uses this same word in Isaiah 53:4: “surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Thus Christ bore sicknesses in an altogether
different sense from which He bore sins.

The third fact is based upon logic. If healing is in the atonement to the same
extent as salvation, then one possesses salvation to the extent he enjoys
physical health. But since all Christians in the past have died, and mostly
from disease, this would prove that all had lost salvation; for all surely
lost health.

Fourthly, Paul, the model Christian, gloried in his infirmities (II Corinthians 11:30;
II Corinthians 12:9 and 10—this word means sickness, the same word as used in
Matthew 8:17). If sickness is contrary to the will of God, then Paul gloried in being
out of the will of God, and it was the Grace of God which taught him to do it.

Fifthly, this teaching denies such Scriptures as Romans 8:23: “but ourselves also,
which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Yes, praise God, our
salvation includes a body as perfect as Christ’s own glorious body, but none will
receive it until the resurrection for which we wait.

Lastly, let it be noticed that God promised health to Israel along with other
temporal blessings. He revealed Himself as Jehovah-Ropheca, the Lord that
healeth thee (Exodus 15:26). See also Deuteronomy 28:1 to 14. But not one
of these promises can be found directed to the Body of Christ, but often just
the opposite. God not only promised to heal but to make rich (Deuteronomy
28:11 and 12). Therefore if you are not rich it is just as much a sign of
unfaithfulness as if you are sick.

Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)

Amen.

It seems there is confusion of the spiritual and the physical body. Through sin every physical being is destined to die. When we believe in Christ the life we have (not shall have) is eternal according to Him. If the physical body is destined to die, how is our life, that is hidden in Christ eternal? The answer comes by separating the spiritual life from our physical life. The eternal life we have been promised through Christ is spiritual life, but the physical body that holds our spirit captive until death will physically die. Then the eternal spiritual life we possess in Christ shall ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers to wait for the spiritual Kingdom of God to be complete, when we shall receive physical immortal & incorruptible bodies to be reunited with our eternal spirit.

With this understanding we can conclude that Christ bore our sins, and physical infirmities on the cross, but only that made known in this life is eternal spiritual life. We won't have immortal & incorruptible physical bodies until Christ comes again. That is what we are called to wait patiently for, the resurrection of our flesh that shall make us whole again. The power we have to wait for the redemption of our physical body comes from His Spirit in us.
 
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It seems there is confusion of the spiritual and the physical body. Through sin every physical being is destined to die. When we believe in Christ the life we have (not shall have) is eternal according to Him. If the physical body is destined to die, how is our life, that is hidden in Christ eternal? The answer comes by separating the spiritual life from our physical life. The eternal life we have been promised through Christ is spiritual life, but the physical body that holds our spirit captive until death will physically die. Then the eternal spiritual life we possess in Christ shall ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers to wait for the spiritual Kingdom of God to be complete, when we shall receive physical immortal & incorruptible bodies to be reunited with our eternal spirit.

With this understanding we can conclude that Christ bore our sins, and physical infirmities on the cross, but only that made known in this life is eternal spiritual life. We won't have immortal & incorruptible physical bodies until Christ comes again. That is what we are called to wait patiently for, the resurrection of our flesh that shall make us whole again. The power we have to wait for the redemption of our physical body comes from His Spirit in us.
The op is not about the glorified body in heaven.
The cessationist claims what the op claims.
" just live with your infirmity"
Bible teaches the opposite.
 

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Jesus promised us trials and tribulations. These are sickness and injuries, as well as other malady's. All Christians will have them.

2 Corinthians 12:8-10 -
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
 

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The op is not about the glorified body in heaven.
The cessationist claims what the op claims.
" just live with your infirmity"
Bible teaches the opposite.

The question asked in the OP is basically why are we not physically healed of all our physical affirmatives if the atonement of Christ has also provided physical healing as well as spiritual healing? My answer shows that we are! The problem for most is that they want INSTANT gratification, and if they don't have physical healing then Christ's atoning blood does not heal the faithful both spiritually and physically.
 

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Jesus promised us trials and tribulations. These are sickness and injuries, as well as other malady's. All Christians will have them.

2 Corinthians 12:8-10 -
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Lol.
Then he was incorrect doing all those healings since your message is leave them sick and miserable.
Maybe pray for more sick people since sickness is profitable.
 

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That would be a good place to start removing one's self from the cessationist lie.
Before I saw this...
I was about to put you on IGNORE due to your rude behavior.
But since you are NOT a Cessationist I will hold off on that.
Good to find another continuationist. :Happy:

@GRACE ambassador is a fine individual that should be treated better. IMHO
Let's be the better persons, okay? Thanks.

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Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)
The presentation was good, but I disagree with the conclusion.

I think healing is available for the receiving when we claim what is rightfully ours due to the Atonement.
But it is a mystery as to why most can receive this healing, but some will not. No reflection on them personally.

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Jesus promised us trials and tribulations. These are sickness and injuries, as well as other malady's. All Christians will have them.

2 Corinthians 12:8-10 -
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Every cessationist quotes those verses of Paul.
While IGNORING over 70 healing verses.
It is up to you to educate yourself.
IOW, for every one verse you can come up with to hopefully prove God has no power and no interest in healing the sick, there are almost 20 refuting that notion.
But you guys smear God as evil, actually suggesting he puts cancer or some sickness on people.
Jesus said satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy. I am come that they may have LIFE, AND LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY.
How the cessationist misses such basics is amazing.
Sickness is not Gods will.
But i know, i know, you are parked in the opposite, actually thinking sickness is Gods glory.
 
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Every cessationist quotes those verses of Paul.
While IGNORING over 70 healing verses.
It is up to you to educate yourself.
IOW, for every one verse you can come up with to hopefully prove God has no power and no interest in healing the sick, there are almost 20 refuting that notion.
But you guys smear God as evil, actually suggesting he puts cancer or some sickness on people.
Jesus said satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy. I am come that they may have LIFE, AND LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY.
How the cessationist misses such basics is amazing.
Sickness is not Gods will.
But i know, i know, you are parked in the opposite, actually thinking sickness is Gods glory.

You bring faith healing into the discussion where the OP asks whether or not physical healing is provided in Christ's atonement. I haven't seen any here argue for or against the supernatural healing power that comes from God. That doesn't appear to be the purpose of the OP. If you wish to discuss whether or not faith healing or healing through our prayers of faith is or is not still valid today, perhaps you should begin a thread on that subject instead of attempting to highjack this one!
The op is not about the glorified body in heaven.
The cessationist claims what the op claims.
" just live with your infirmity"
Bible teaches the opposite.

The thread is not about cessation of the supernatural gift of healing physical affirmatives. It asks if the atoning blood of Christ heal or I would ask restores our physical body as well as our eternal spirit. The answer is YES! But not until the last trumpet sounds!
 
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You bring faith healing into the discussion where the OP asks whether or not physical healing is provided in Christ's atonement. I haven't seen any here argue for or against the supernatural healing power that comes from God. That doesn't appear to be the purpose of the OP. If you wish to discuss whether or not faith healing or healing through our prayers of faith is or is not still valid today, perhaps you should begin a thread on that subject instead of attempting to highjack this one!


The thread is not about cessation of the supernatural gift of healing physical affirmatives. It asks if the atoning blood of Christ heal or I would ask restores our physical body as well as our eternal spirit. The answer is YES! But not until the last trumpet sounds!
Jesus healed and raised the dead. Not at a trumpet sound.
The apostles healed and raised the dead. No trumpet anywhere. No glorified bodies anywhere.
Healing, physical of course , (not confined to your exclusive doctrine (of ,"at our glorified bodies" in heaven)
Nobody disagrees the glorified body has zero sickness. Why would anyone debate that????
You even reframed the op.
But why stop at reframing a notion that Jesus no longer heals people?.
That only exists in your cessationist world where over 60 verses must be omitted.
 
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"Every true Christian believes that spiritual healing, salvation of the soul from
sin, is to be found only in the death of Christ, but there is disagreement as to
whether His death is supposed to provide physical health also for the believer.
Some teach that Christ bore our sicknesses upon the Cross as well as our sins,
and that it is therefore as much the will of God that we be healed of sickness
as to be saved from sin.

Since salvation is received through faith, healing must come in the same
manner, and if one is not healed it proves he doesn’t have faith. If the
premise of this argument is true, i. e. that Christ died for our sickness and
that God is not willing that any should be sick, then the above conclusion
logically follows; but we ask: Is the premise true?

This teaching is based upon Matthew 8:17: “Himself took our infirmities, and
bare our sicknesses,” a quotation from Isaiah 53:4. But the all important thing
to see is that Jesus fulfilled this scripture three years before His death. He was
bearing their sicknesses all during His earthly ministry, but He never bore any
one’s sins until He died upon the tree. Since the Bible declares that He fulfilled
the work of bearing sicknesses before Has death, any teaching is proved false
which claims He fulfilled that work in His death.

The second important fact is found in the word “bare”. Peter tells us that Christ
“bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” This word is “anaphero” in the Greek,
and means to bring to the altar or to offer a sacrifice. It is used in Hebrews 9:28:

“Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”;​

and most significantly the translators of the Septuagint chose this word in
Isaiah 53:12: “and he bare the sins of many.” But there is an entirely different
word used regarding the bearing of sickness in Matthew 8:17. It is “bastazo”
and means to lift or to carry or to endure. It is never used of bearing sins.
This is the same word John the Baptist used in Matthew 3:11: “whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear.”

Paul used it in Galatians 6:2: “bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the
law of Christ.” Paul asked Christians to do in Romans 15:1 exactly what Christ
did: “bear the infirmities (or sicknesses) of the weak,” but he never told any
Christian to bear the sins of another. And again, most significantly the
Septuagint uses this same word in Isaiah 53:4: “surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Thus Christ bore sicknesses in an altogether
different sense from which He bore sins.

The third fact is based upon logic. If healing is in the atonement to the same
extent as salvation, then one possesses salvation to the extent he enjoys
physical health. But since all Christians in the past have died, and mostly
from disease, this would prove that all had lost salvation; for all surely
lost health.

Fourthly, Paul, the model Christian, gloried in his infirmities (II Corinthians 11:30;
II Corinthians 12:9 and 10—this word means sickness, the same word as used in
Matthew 8:17). If sickness is contrary to the will of God, then Paul gloried in being
out of the will of God, and it was the Grace of God which taught him to do it.

Fifthly, this teaching denies such Scriptures as Romans 8:23: “but ourselves also,
which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Yes, praise God, our
salvation includes a body as perfect as Christ’s own glorious body, but none will
receive it until the resurrection for which we wait.

Lastly, let it be noticed that God promised health to Israel along with other
temporal blessings. He revealed Himself as Jehovah-Ropheca, the Lord that
healeth thee (Exodus 15:26). See also Deuteronomy 28:1 to 14. But not one
of these promises can be found directed to the Body of Christ, but often just
the opposite. God not only promised to heal but to make rich (Deuteronomy
28:11 and 12). Therefore if you are not rich it is just as much a sign of
unfaithfulness as if you are sick.

Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)

Amen.
Huh???
This is some joke???????

Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. (Isa. 53:4–5)
 

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Jesus healed and raised the dead. Not at a trumpet sound.
The apostles healed and raised the dead. No trumpet anywhere. No glorified bodies anywhere.
Healing, physical of course , (not confined to your exclusive doctrine (of ,"at our glorified bodies" in heaven)
Nobody disagrees the glorified body has zero sickness. Why would anyone debate that????
You even reframed the op.
But why stop at reframing a notion that Jesus no longer heals people?.
That only exists in your cessationist world where over 60 verses must be omitted.

Who, but perhaps you? has argued that Jesus no longer heals people! You are chomping for a debate about whether or not God still heals man supernaturally according to man's faith! Fine! Begin your own thread and argue to your hearts delight!
 
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The presentation was good, but I disagree with the conclusion.

I think healing is available for the receiving when we claim what is rightfully ours due to the Atonement.
But it is a mystery as to why most can receive this healing, but some will not. No reflection on them personally.

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Healing, is hands down ,part of the atonement.
According to Gods awesome words.
It is appalling how some hate Gods grace, gift, and provision.

They think God is glorified in sickness.
Dear Lord ....that goes against Gods testimony.
Wow....Just wow.
 
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Who, but perhaps you? has argued that Jesus no longer heals people! You are chomping for a debate about whether or not God still heals man supernaturally according to man's faith! Fine! Begin your own thread and argue to your hearts delight!
I think @rebuilder 454 makes a valid point.
This topic claims that healing does not come through the atonement.
That is what is being argued against.

Is it not on the basis of the Atonement that we acquire healing?
Claiming that for which Christ has already won for us?

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Who, but perhaps you? has argued that Jesus no longer heals people! You are chomping for a debate about whether or not God still heals man supernaturally according to man's faith! Fine! Begin your own thread and argue to your hearts delight!
You have zero authority over me friend.
Command to your hearts delight.
The op is on PHYSICAL HEALING ON EARTH..and that is part of the atonement as the WORD OF GOD declares
You are listening to something else.
Listening to men
If you cant take being challenged in your bible reframing then start your own thread try to prove the bible is wrong.
No sir.
The bible is correct.
 

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It is awesome the fact that healing, as the bible teaches, is part of the atonement.
IOW, Healing is our portion.
Devine health belongs to his children.
It is actually imperative for us as his children to understand this fact.
If it is mine, i can claim it.
I can walk in it.
 
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