Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

[Earburner]

While the TINY Nation of Israel is in the news daily all we hear about the Israel wannabe's is them tooting their own horns. It's not nice to try to steal Israel's identity! What will happen to the wannabe's? Here's one example.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Ummm,... hello! That prophecy is speaking of Heavenly Jerusalem, NOT the earthly "fallen" Jerusalem.
Revelation 19:1-21
Rev. 19[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army**.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

**Note: Heavenly Jerusalem

 

[kcnalp]

Ummm,... hello! That prophecy is speaking of Heavenly Jerusalem, NOT the earthly "fallen" Jerusalem.
Revelation 19:1-21
Rev. 19[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army**.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

**Note: Heavenly Jerusalem

Preterists are living in the past. lol

 

[JRM]

A Few Questions:

Do you believe in a future Abomination of Desolation, Matthew 24:15?

Do you believe in a future Great Tribulation, Matthew 24:21?

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, Matthew 24:29-31?

I believe there can only be two answers to your three questions. I have a different understanding on them. Can you explain or expound on all three? Thank you.

To God Be The Glory

 

[kcnalp]

Ummm,... hello! That prophecy is speaking of Heavenly Jerusalem, NOT the earthly "fallen" Jerusalem.
Revelation 19:1-21
Rev. 19[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army**.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

**Note: Heavenly Jerusalem

It's a GRIEVOUS sin to try to steal Israel's identity! VERY bad consequences for the thieves and their loved ones!

Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
3 I will curse him who curses you;

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually the bible teaches that they were future events from the time they were written

Actually the bible teaches the events below are future events from the date on this post

The Antichrist of Daniel 11:37, Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:21, The Great Tribulation Matthew 24:21, and Second Coming Matthew 24:29-31 These Are Future Events Unfulfilled

 

[Oseas]

. The Second appearance after His Resurrection- the Gift of God's Holy Spirit on Pentecost upto today, for all who believe.

What you are saying or posted above is true? Judging by the Word of GOD it is not true.


Hebrews 9:v.27-28
27 It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation.

2 Thessalonians 2:v.1-4

2 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the Day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day -the Lord's Day- shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Well, the fallen way we are seeing that it is working, it is a signal that the Man doomed to perdition must manifest himself soon, and be enthroned as God em Israel, to opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Be careful or get ready

 

[Truth7t7]

It's a GRIEVOUS sin to try to steal Israel's identity! VERY bad consequences for the thieves and their loved ones!


Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
3 I will curse him who curses you;

Stop the childish false claims in citation in a clip of a verse out of context, bringing idle threats upon posters and their loved ones

Believe my way or Gods going to get you and your loved ones, really :

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

"Jesus Is The Lord"

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

 

[kcnalp]

Stop the childish false claims in citation in a clip of a verse out of context, bringing idle threats upon posters and their loved ones

Believe my way or Gods going to get you and your loved ones, really :

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

Which "Church" would that be? JW's? Mormons? SDA's? Or just YOUR "church"?

"Jesus Is The Lord"

1 Corinthians 12:3KJV
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Why hasn't anyone heard of you? Israel is in the news daily. Satan has stolen your imagination.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe there can only be two answers to your three questions. I have a different understanding on them. Can you explain or expound on all three? Thank you.

To God Be The Glory

No need to expound, the questions are before your eyes, and complete

A Few Questions:

Do you believe in a future Abomination of Desolation, Matthew 24:15?

Do you believe in a future Great Tribulation, Matthew 24:21?

Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, Matthew 24:29-31?

 

[Curtis]

What you miss is who is true Israel a nation or a church made up of both Jew and gentile.

Also the last few chapters of Zechariah talks about both literal Jerusalem and the new Jerusalem the church. That’s way at one point Jerusalem is decimated and at another point protected forever.

There is no spiritual Israel in Zechariah or any part of the Old Testament.

The Jerusalem in Zechariah has Mount Olive, the place Jesus ascended from in Acts, that tge angel said the same Jesus wiukd return in the same way and to the same place He left.

In Zechariah 14:5 Jesus returns to Mount Olive.

Zechariah talks about the HOUSE of Judah and the House of David and the CLANS of Israel, making it about national Israel and Judah, not so called spiritual Israel.

There is no new Jerusalem either, in the entire Old Testament.

The city new Jerusalem doesn’t show up until Revelation 21, when it descends down from heaven.

 

[Truth7t7]

While the TINY Nation of Israel is in the news daily all we hear about the Israel wannabe's is them tooting their own horns. It's not nice to try to steal Israel's identity! What will happen to the wannabe's? Here's one example.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Zechariah 14:16, Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:1KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[kcnalp]

Zechariah 14:16, Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

But you sound more like these.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[JRM]

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed.

I declared this to @kcnalp in another thread and also given him Scripture Galatians 6:16. I guess he lacks understanding in what he reads.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no spiritual Israel in Zechariah or any part of the Old Testament.

The Jerusalem in Zechariah has Mount Olive, the place Jesus ascended from in Acts, that tge angel said the same Jesus wiukd return in the same way and to the same place He left.

In Zechariah 14:5 Jesus returns to Mount Olive.

Zechariah talks about the HOUSE of Judah and the House of David and the CLANS of Israel, making it about national Israel and Judah, not so called spiritual Israel.

There is no new Jerusalem either, in the entire Old Testament.

The city new Jerusalem doesn’t show up until Revelation 21, when it descends down from heaven.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of Armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Oseas]

Yes Antiochus Epiphanes was the little horn

No Marty, its not true. The little horn is not Antiochus Epiphanes.

The little horn is the MAN Beast of the earth, who has two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a dragon-the 666.Rev.13:v.11-18

By the way, he was born decades ago, and will manifest himself soon, in near future.

What matters is the true. GOD is Truth.

Get ready

 

[Truth7t7]

I declared this to @kcnalp in another thread and also given him Scripture Galatians 6:16. I guess he lacks understanding in what he reads.

To God Be The Glory

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church "The Israel Of God"

James 1:1KJV
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[kcnalp]

I declared this to @kcnalp in another thread and also given him Scripture Galatians 6:16. I guess he lacks understanding in what he reads.

To God Be The Glory

You can declare that you're the man in the moon but that doesn't make it so. You're not Israel! Do you even believe in the eternal Hell that Jesus taught?

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church "The Israel Of God"

James 1:1KJV
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed View attachment 15399

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

See above.

 

[Earburner]

I believe there can only be two answers to your three questions. I have a different understanding on them. Can you explain or expound on all three? Thank you.
To God Be The Glory

Yes, I can explain what the Lord has revealed to me. However at his time, i prefer to not go into depth, so that the Spirit of the Lord Himself can bring His understanding of the scriptures to you.
Truth7t7 said: ↑
A Few Questions:
1. Do you believe in a future Abomination of Desolation, Matthew 24:15?
> No. The AoD, that took place by Antiochus Epiphanes, and was an isolated event prophesied of in Daniel.
However, in parallel, Jesus used it to reveal that "the temple of His body" was about to be descrated and destroyed.
To God the Father, as with any father, its an abomination in the Father's sight to see the innocense of their Son abused, tormented and killed.

2. Do you believe in a future Great Tribulation, Matthew 24:21?
> Yes! But not according to any of "church-ianity's" misunderstanding of Daniel.
All of the 70 weeks in Daniel have been fulfilled. There is know 7 yrs./3.5 yrs. scenario left over of the 70 weeks, that are to be tagged onto the end of time.

3. Do you believe in a future second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, Matthew 24:29-31?
> Yes! The Lord Jesus shall suddenly appear from Heaven in all His Glory, in flaming fire.
The dead in Christ are bodily resurrected first, and shall be with Him, and we who remain and are alive on the earth, shall be changed into His likeness, and shall ascend, meeting them and Him in the air.
Meanwhile, in that instance, the wicked unsaved, both dead and alive shall be burned up simultaneously by the Eternal fiery visible presence of the Lord in Heaven, aka as the lake of fire.

 

[Marty fox]

Actually the bible teaches the events below are future events from the date on this post

The Antichrist of Daniel 11:37, Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:21, The Great Tribulation Matthew 24:21, and Second Coming Matthew 24:29-31 These Are Future Events Unfulfilled

How does it do that?

Maybe there is a different interpretation than you think