The Light
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So what order is it in? I would be very surprised if you understand the order.Revelation is not written in strict straight line projection.
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So what order is it in? I would be very surprised if you understand the order.Revelation is not written in strict straight line projection.
What I posted earlier prove that 1 Thes 4 and 1 Cor 15 cannot possibly be the same coming. 1 Thes 4 is His coming for the Church and 1 Cor 15 is the gathering from heaven and earth.
There is no need for me to post scriptures that refer to His coming in the flesh. And there is no need for me to post those scriptures when he comes at the end of wrath when He will return to earth the way he left.You said: "It's all through the Word"
Please provide the evidence of three(3) separate 'Comings' of the Lord Jesus Christ from:
a.) the OT Prophets
And yet one coming is at the trump of God or voice of God and the other coming is at the last trump. One coming dead in Christ rise first and then the alive are caught up. In the other coming both are changed at the same time.Both 1 Thess ch4 and 1 Cor ch15 are BOTH a gathering of Saints from Heaven and Earth.
Different aspects/characteristics of the one and only Second Coming = just as the OT Prophets, the Gospels, the Apostles and Revelation state.And yet one coming is at the trump of God or voice of God and the other coming is at the last trump. One coming dead in Christ rise first and then the alive are caught up. In the other coming both are changed at the same time.
And not to be forgotton. One coming the Lord himself comes. In the other coming He sends His angels
1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And yet one coming is at the trump of God or voice of God and the other coming is at the last trump. One coming dead in Christ rise first and then the alive are caught up. In the other coming both are changed at the same time.
And not to be forgotton. One coming the Lord himself comes. In the other coming He sends His angels
1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The dead in Chris do rise first. And if you truly understand this it will not come at the same time as the alive believers are caught up.You have the truth in front of you when you accurately stated "the Dead in Christ rise First"
= this perfectly agrees with the Gospels, the Apostles and Revelation = perfectly!
If you understand there are at least three comings of Jesus, how is it you do not understand that he comes before the seals are opened?Different aspects/characteristics of the one and only Second Coming = just as the OT Prophets, the Gospels, the Apostles and Revelation state.
Start in Genesis and see if you can find 3 separate 'Comings' of the Messiah/King.
i just gave you a clue.
A.) Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.The dead in Chris do rise first. And if you truly understand this it will not come at the same time as the alive believers are caught up.
If you understand there are at least three comings of Jesus, how is it you do not understand that he comes before the seals are opened?
Do you really need me to post the prophecies of the coming Messaih and then the coming at wrath? I have to believe you are familiar wiith the chaptes of Isaiah, Zechariah and Joel.Where are the OT Prophecies of 3 Comings of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Here is the Lord saying that the disciples will desire to see ONE of the days of the son of man.Where did the LORD and the Apostles speak/write of two separate Returns/Comings of the Lord Jesus Christ?
No where does the Lord say His Second coming over differing time periods (back and forth) at different times.Here is the Lord saying that the disciples will desire to see ONE of the days of the son of man.
Luke 7
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
The son of man in His day will be like lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven
Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
There will be more than one time the Lord comes as lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven.
Paul gives us two examples of the coming of the son of Man. One in 1 Thes 4 and another in 1 Cor 15.
Jesus also tells us one coming will be like the days of Noah and one coming will be like the days of Lot.
Jesus also tells us that we can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN. That's at His throne in heaven.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the son of man.
Now how about you provide the order of Revelation.
Here is the Lord saying that the disciples will desire to see ONE of the days of the son of man.
Luke 7
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
The son of man in His day will be like lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven
Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
There will be more than one time the Lord comes as lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven.
Paul gives us two examples of the coming of the son of Man. One in 1 Thes 4 and another in 1 Cor 15.
Jesus also tells us one coming will be like the days of Noah and one coming will be like the days of Lot.
Jesus also tells us that we can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN. That's at His throne in heaven.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the son of man.
Now how about you provide the order of Revelation.
And yet why do you fear listing the order of Revelation?Revelation has the correct Order of His Descent for the Resurrection and Rapture of the Saints.
It is the same Order as given by our Lord and the Apostles and the OT Prophets.
Because you have yet to show that you even know the OT Scriptural Order.And yet why do you fear listing the order of Revelation?
No where does the Lord say His Second coming over differing time periods (back and forth) at different times.
Not once did the Apostle Paul ever write that there will multiple Raptures or multiple Comings of the Lord.
The Apostle John said there is only One Second Coming of Christ = 1 John
Furthermore all accounts given in Scripture are of ONE Second Coming of Christ.
EXAMPLE: Hebrews 9:24-28
For Christ did not enter a man-made copy of the true sanctuary, but He entered heaven itself, now to appear on our behalf in the presence of God.
25Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment,
28so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many;
and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.
Baloney. I showed you that there is a TIMING in Gods plan, twice. For you to call it a separate Gospel is Baloney.Because you have yet to show that you even know the OT Scriptural Order.
You claimed that Leah and Rachel are two NT Brides of Christ and yet this is a Scriptural impossibility by which Christ would be breaking the Law as opposed to fulfilling it.
It also leads to the heresy of two gospels - one for the Gentile and one for the Jew.
Great. If you have no fear then simply post where the coming Jesus of Matthew 24 is in Revelation. Chapter and verses. or Chapters and verses. A simple thing.Our obedience is to Christ and not to man/religion.
Concerning Truth, Christ's commandment to us is threefold:
a.) Proverbs 30:5-6
b.) Matthew 4:4
c.) Revelation 22:18
Peace and Good Nite
P.S. - i have no fear of Scripture, especially Revelation but i do fear God = Proverbs 9:10 = so should you
Heresy is contaminated baloney that will poison your thinking and heart = it will make a person hostile against the Truth.Baloney. I showed you that there is a TIMING in Gods plan, twice. For you to call it a separate Gospel is Baloney.
Great. If you have no fear then simply post where the coming Jesus of Matthew 24 is in Revelation. Chapter and verses. or Chapters and verses. A simple thing.c
Please. It's the same Gospel. Jesus is the Messiah. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus died and was raised from the dead. It is the same savior and the same path to salvation. So your two Gospel nonsense can cast be aside. God is going to regraft His Chosen, like it or not. It's all about timing. First the Gentiles, then the 12 tribes. It all about timing.Heresy is contaminated baloney that will poison your thinking and heart = it will make a person hostile against the Truth.
The Holy Scriptures do not accept your version of Leah and Rachel.
You claimed that Leah and Rachel are two NT Brides of Christ and yet this is a Scriptural impossibility by which Christ would be breaking the Law as opposed to fulfilling it.
It also leads to the heresy of two gospels - one for the Gentile and one for the Jew.
Gospel of John, Acts, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, 1 & 2 Peter condemns any distiction(two separate NT Brides of Christ) between Jew & Gentile in Christ.