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    101G Well-Known Member

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    error, I said that the voice spoke truth, just as the voice in Genesis 22:15 & 16 spoke TRUTH."And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
    Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son"

    now, was that not the TRUTH? yes, but was it God Speaking? NO, but the voice came from Heaven.

    so we're asking give scripture that shows the voice that came from heaven at our Lord's baptism is God voice?

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    101G Well-Known Member

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    no trick question. angels speak on God behalf. it is in the bible. this is what we been saying, don't assume nothing, nor take the scripture for granted, nor inject any private interpretation, see 2 peter 1:20.

    until the voice here say it's God's don't assume nothing. at the transfiguration the voice was confirmed. but not here at the baptism. so don't add or take away from the word of God.

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    Who is Jesus' Father?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    If this was an angel speaking during Jesus' baptism, and it spoke truth, then is it that you think of Jesus as the Son of an angel?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    OK. To your question, what needs to be reconciled? I don't see a conflict. Jesus and YHWH are One and the Same. Can you be more specific about what conflict you see?
     
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    while the reconciling of John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 is on going, we would like to present to you another problem. if Jesus is the YHWH, and the bible describe the "LORD" as the almighty. then we have a problem at John 1:1
    the Lord Jesus don't have a biological, nor a Spiritual father. this is what we being saying all alone, "Father" is a title, not a person. and the Lord Jesus is the EQUAL "share" of that Spirit (without flesh).

    so the title "Father" and "Son" are only titles of the same one "Diversified" Spirit with flesh & Blood (Son). without Flesh and blood, (Father).

    this is why we asked the OQ in the first place to show it's the same PERSON.

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    yes, the trinity doctrine states the Father (the LORD all caps) and the Son (Lord) are separate and distinct person, but the scriptures states different.

    now are you saying that the Lord Jesus is the "LORD" one in the same? yes or no.

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    Psalm 110:1 The LORD says to David's Lord.... Hmmm... how could this be...unless God is schizo, I believe that they are distinct persons, and yet the same God.
     
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    that's your problem, the "LORD", all caps in Isaiah said he is alone. so are you saying that Jesus is the "LORD" yes or No.

    looking for your answer.

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    They are the same God, Different persons. They share the same substance of Godhood, and yet are completely distinct persons

    1 Corinthians 8:6

    this deals directly with the supposed contradiction. Sorry for the wait, but I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity.
     
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    Yes and no. He is God, but he is not the Father, just as the Father is God but is not the Son
     
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    so you're saying that JESUS is the "LORD" all caps ... right?

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    They are the same God, different persons. Not the same persons, but the same God
     
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    did you not say the person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24. either he is or not.

    your anser Please.
     
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    Same God, different persons
     
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    if they are the same God and you said "YHWH" is Jesus, then you have another problem. For the LORD is almighty God, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".

    now the person in Isaiah 44:24 is the "LORD" all caps. and you said the person in John 1:3 is the same person now you have a really BIG problem now. for the LORD all cap is the almighty God whom you calls "the Father" and if you say the person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 then the "LORD" who is YHWH, you say is JESUS.

    see your problem now?.

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    Yes, Jesus and YHWH are the Same.
     
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    well the LORD is "YHWH" who you say is JESUS, and the BIBLE say the "LORD" is the Father, listen again, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

    now unless you have a God MIGHTIER than the all mighty, please post the scripture to that effect.

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    There you have it.

    So the voice did not tell the truth, it was not the speaker's son.

    That's your answer? The speaker said "son", but didn't mean it.

    Hmmm.
     
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    Isaiah 9:6 ESV
    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
     
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