1stCenturyLady
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Right. An unsaved sinner has no new "inner man" like a Christian does.Not so, because that person has no new "inner man" that is not under the Law of Sin and Death.
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Right. An unsaved sinner has no new "inner man" like a Christian does.Not so, because that person has no new "inner man" that is not under the Law of Sin and Death.
Much love!
Crucified only means nullified from the old man's damnation and dominion, but not from his presence and temptings! If you're old man was gone you wouldn't be sinning at all, which is not the case.We are going around in circles. The old man is dead! We are new creations! Galatians 6:15
Romans 6-7
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
You are quoting Romans 7:17-20 again but not understanding it is ABOUT those UNDER the law. We are NOT under the law IF we are filled with the Spirit. Romans 8:9
Romans 7:21-25 YLTRight. An unsaved sinner has no new "inner man" like a Christian does.
I see this opposite to what you see. To me this is the true justification and liberation of the saint.
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What are you talking about? I don't have any desire to sin. I actually felt my old man of sin leave my body back in 1977. I felt light as a feather. That is what the Spirit does when you are filled with the Holy Spirit. We are no longer IN THE FLESH.Crucified only means nullified from the old man's damnation and dominion, but not from his presence and temptings! If you're old man was gone you wouldn't be sinning at all, which is not the case.
Paul in Ro 7:14-25 just shows that he still sins, even though he is a Christian, but he doesn't want to sin. Nobody can say they have no sin or doesn't sin.
Romans 8:2Romans 7:21-25 YLT
21) I find, then, the law, that when I desire to do what is right, with me the evil is present,
22) for I delight in the law of God according to the inward man,
23) and I behold another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of the sin that is in my members.
24) A wretched man I am ! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
25) I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord; so then, I myself indeed with the mind do serve the law of God, and with the flesh, the law of sin.
Who then is this "inner man" who is not subject to the law of sin that pertains to the body (in my members)?
You are basically saying this is an unregenerate man who somehow has an inner man that is not under the law of sin.
But that inner man can only have come by rebirth in Christ.
Much love!
This is how Paul could write,Romans 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
We are not in flesh, but in spirit, if the Spirit of God dwell in you. That is, we do not derive our life from the fact that we live in flesh bodies, we derive our life from the fact that the Spirit of God lives in us. Now, being alive in the Spirit, if you take away the body, that doesn't change that we are alive in the Spirit.
I simply urge you to read and understand the words God puts in His Word, and let them speak. Yes, I agree, many people are confused by these things, but I believe that if you simplify how you read it that confusion goes away.When Paul uses the word, "flesh" he is not talking about our body. He is talking about our nature. Our nature, the spirit and soul, is what is reborn now and be like the divine nature of God, 2 Peter 1:4. That was the old man that died.
Our body must yet die physically, in order to be reborn spiritually upon our resurrection.
I know many people get confused by Paul's writing. And John's too. (1 John 1:8 is before Christ, just as Romans 7:14-25 is before Christ that can only be seen by the whole context) That is why I always stress 'context.'
And yet this assertion is shown incorrect by several passages. I've listed these for you in times past. Shall I again?When Paul uses the word, "flesh" he is not talking about our body.
And yet this assertion is shown incorrect by several passages. I've listed these for you in times past. Shall I again?
Much love!
This is telling you the same thing as this,9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Romans 7:20 YLT
20) And if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it, but the sin that is dwelling in me.
Romans 7:24-25 KJVThat was talking about the Jews who have the Law in their mind,
Paul knew he still sinned,
1 Corinthians 4:1-5 KJVHeretics, who dont study the bible, and dont understand the Grace of God, proclaim that Paul was a "sinner" and knew it.
Yet never in the NT does he state that he sins, and never in the NT does he state he ever confessed a sin once he was born again.
Not one verse, not one time.
Not EVER.
Romans 7:24-25 KJV
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
This sums it all up right here. Jesus Christ our Lord delivers us from the body of this death, so then with the mind I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh sin's law.
Galatians 5:16-18 KJV
16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
and . . .
Galatians 5:25 KJV
25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Much love!
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time,