No unity ever

[Eternally Grateful]

Who told you what you need to believe?

I have said many times no one

are you hard of Listening? Or what seems to be the hang up?

I do not trust My eternity to anyone. I listen to those in authority over me but I do not trust everything they say they are humans and not perfect and able to get things wrong

 

[historyb]

We cannot ask people to pray/intercede for us, after they have died-it’s spiritualism! (Deut. 18) Luke 16-a gulf exists

Christians are not dead! You may serve a god that is a god of the dead but true Christians don't and it is not spiritualism, the Luke passage was a parable not reality. I am really getting sick of people think God is a God of the dead. Pray means to ask so every time you ask any person for anything you are praying to them so you better not make any request of any person ever.

 

[Marymog]

I have said many times no one

are you hard of Listening? Or what seems to be the hang up?

I do not trust My eternity to anyone. I listen to those in authority over me but I do not trust everything they say they are humans and not perfect and able to get things wrong

You listen to those in authority over you but you don’t trust what they say!! So you trust yourself not to get things wrong?

I believe what 1 Timothy 5:17 says.

God bless Mary

 

[prism]

so now we know what worm means, ok
"ima defend 'the faith' to my death, or until someone asks me to define it!"
lol

no offense meant ok
but jesus already

Anyone can defend to their death a statement like 'well imo there really cant be any wrong answers to "what does 'the faith' mean to you'.
That stance would never be persecuted to one's death in a pluralistic world as Christians were in the 1st Century. It molds itself to the winds of the season, convictionless, pliable, perilously drifting towards the crags of Relativism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 Timothy is a pastoral letter.

Who do you trust to rightly divide the word?

You trust men

I trust No man

Timothy was written to a worker of god your not a worker?

Anyway, Thank you. You just proved what I said to be true. When a catholic said houw PUFFED up protestants can be, and I responded that some catholics are just as bad.

The same can be said about some Catholics.

another reason there can’t be unity. You have to many people who think “they have it” and they are playing for the right team.

Well you think you have it and you are on the right team. while we are not..

well which one is the right team? Did not paul condemn this thinking I am of Paul, I am of Apollo’s, I am of this person or that person, or hey, I will Trump you all, I am (My church) of Christ.

I think sometimes if people would listen to themselves with an open mind they would see how ridiculous they sound saying others do the very thing they themselves are doing.

that is the one aspect of any christian chat I have ever been a part of I loath to no end, the arrogance and the hypocrisy of a select group of people from all sides is sickening,

and yes, forgive me, But I think what you are doing comes from pride and arrogance.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You listen to those in authority over you but you don’t trust what they say!! So you trust yourself not to get things wrong?

I believe what 1 Timothy 5:17 says.

God bless Mary

WHo said I do not trust what they say?

I said I do not trust that EVERYTHING they say is correct (i do not blindly follow them)

once again, You have proven me right.

you want to put your eternity in the hands of men go for it.

I tried that for half my life. and found how foolish that was

My eternity is in Gods hands..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You listen to those in authority over you but you don’t trust what they say!! So you trust yourself not to get things wrong?

I believe what 1 Timothy 5:17 says.

God bless Mary

ps.

if your elders are wrong

You will have eternity to ponder over it.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Christians are not dead! You may serve a god that is a god of the dead but true Christians don't and it is not spiritualism, the Luke passage was a parable not reality. I am really getting sick of people think God is a God of the dead. Pray means to ask so every time you ask any person for anything you are praying to them so you better not make any request of any person ever.

Not after they’ve died

 

[historyb]

Not after they’ve died

Christians don't die. I am sorry you serve a god of the dead

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christians don't die. I am sorry you serve a god of the dead

So Paul still walks the earth alive?

Where is he?

 

[prism]

I'm still looking for a verse that says we can pray to those who have passed on (Jesus not included), or at least an example of such.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul said in Phillipians ...being confident of this very thing, that He who begun a good work in us will perform it to the very end, to the coming of Christ Jesus.

amen.

WILL, not MIGHT

Its sad how some claim to trust Christ, yet do not trust him in this area.

 

[prism]

I have also mused, how can someone finite like Mary hear thousands of prayers addressed to her simultaneously? That would require God status, no?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We cannot ask people to pray/intercede for us, after they have died-it’s spiritualism! (Deut. 18) Luke 16-a gulf exists

They are asleep. And they are not God. In my view anyway

 

[Marymog]

I trust no man.

and yes, forgive me, But I think what you are doing comes from pride and arrogance.

I am glad you can admit, as I have admitted, we can’t trust ourselves to properly interpret Scripture.

I forgive you!

I do not believe it is arrogant to admit that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It is opposite of arrogance.

I have been humble (which is opposite of prideful) enough to admit that God has not chosen me to properly interpret scripture. I leave that to the men God has chosen.

Blessings

 

[historyb]

I have also mused, how can someone finite like Mary hear thousands of prayers addressed to her simultaneously? That would require God status, no?

No, it requires that God allow it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have also mused, how can someone finite like Mary hear thousands of prayers addressed to her simultaneously? That would require God status, no?

That’s the point. They can disagree with us. But they have to consider what we say may be true. Because it can not be proven either way

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am glad you can admit, as I have admitted, we can’t trust ourselves to properly interpret Scripture.

I forgive you!

I do not believe it is arrogant to admit that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It is opposite of arrogance.

I have been humble (which is opposite of prideful) enough to admit that God has not chosen me to properly interpret scripture. I leave that to the men God has chosen.

Blessings

The pride comes from the fact you think YOUR CHURCH is that church

that was my original point.

 

[prism]

No, it requires that God allow it.

Where in Scripture do you see that happening or a promise of it to happen?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, it requires that God allow it.

No place are we told that he does.
So you can not prove you point. So why are hue it?