Danthemailman, You teach two kinds of faith alone:
1. First faith is alone without obedience. This faith alone cannot save.
2. This also is faith alone. But this faith also without obedience does save. Because supposedly it trusts God.
Your teaching on faith, Danthemailman is never found Biblically. The Bible never defines faith that can save as without obedience(works).
First most obvious reason is, faith itself is a work, John 6:28-29.
Works in James chapter 2 are obeying Gods commandments.
That is the faith that saves us.
Any faith without, the works James is teaching about.
Is a dead faith that has no obedience to God.
Danthemailman you are mistakenly teaching faith that is disobedient saves.
Every time you teach faith apart from obedience(works) saves.
There is no trust in a faith that does not obey, Danthemailman.
A faith that trusts in Jesus cannot be void of obedience!
A trusting faith by nature will have works as James teaches.
There is no such faith that trusts God at the same time lacks obedience(works).
The above quote from you is again, a misunderstanding of what Faith is that saves.
The first definition you give is dead, clearly. Because it has no obedience(works) to God.
The second definition of faith you give is also dead. Because it has no obedience(works).
Since your second definition is dead because it is absent of obedience.
It cannot have trust as you mistakenly claim it has.
James teaches faith that is alone is dead, always!
It cannot be anything but dead.
Your false definition of saving faith is barren of works.
Nowhere does James ever describe faith that is alive as alone ie without obedience to God.
Danthemailman, you are teaching against what James taught on saving faith.
James taught only faith alone is dead, never alive. Never can justify.
James 2:20,
-But do you want to know O, foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Danthemailman you teach faith alone can justify! You are telling James he is wrong!
Faith alone has no trust in God.
How can it?
Faith alone is disobedience.
A person who does not trust his parachute will not obey the command to jump from the plain.
Jesus commands obedience to His gospel. Those who do not trust Jesus will not obey His commandments to be saved,
Mark 16:15-16
-and Jesus said unto them, Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
-He that believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Danthemailman, you do not trust Jesus in faith only. True faith puts trust in what Jesus says to do.
That doing, is the obedience ie baptism.
The demons have faith alone, James 2:19, they have no trust Jesus will save them.
Likewise you have no trust obeying Jesus' direct commandment to be baptized will save you.
Danthemailman please answer my question.
If faith alone ie absent of all works saves us.
Then by your definition of salvation it must also be true, that one can live the rest of his life saved and never do a work of keeping Jesus' commandments Ever in his life, must still go to heaven, if faith only really saves us!
If you must do one good work ever in your life to be in heaven.
Then, Danthemailman, your faith alone salvation is false!
Your salvation of faith and no works contradicts itself, therefore cannot be Gods teaching on salvation.
1. First faith is alone without obedience. This faith alone cannot save.
2. This also is faith alone. But this faith also without obedience does save. Because supposedly it trusts God.
Your teaching on faith, Danthemailman is never found Biblically. The Bible never defines faith that can save as without obedience(works).
First most obvious reason is, faith itself is a work, John 6:28-29.
Works in James chapter 2 are obeying Gods commandments.
That is the faith that saves us.
Any faith without, the works James is teaching about.
Is a dead faith that has no obedience to God.
Danthemailman you are mistakenly teaching faith that is disobedient saves.
Every time you teach faith apart from obedience(works) saves.
There is no trust in a faith that does not obey, Danthemailman.
Faith only per James = empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains 'alone' - barren of works. (James 2:14) Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Christ 'alone' for salvation and not in works
A faith that trusts in Jesus cannot be void of obedience!
A trusting faith by nature will have works as James teaches.
There is no such faith that trusts God at the same time lacks obedience(works).
The above quote from you is again, a misunderstanding of what Faith is that saves.
The first definition you give is dead, clearly. Because it has no obedience(works) to God.
The second definition of faith you give is also dead. Because it has no obedience(works).
Since your second definition is dead because it is absent of obedience.
It cannot have trust as you mistakenly claim it has.
James teaches faith that is alone is dead, always!
It cannot be anything but dead.
Your false definition of saving faith is barren of works.
Nowhere does James ever describe faith that is alive as alone ie without obedience to God.
Danthemailman, you are teaching against what James taught on saving faith.
James taught only faith alone is dead, never alive. Never can justify.
James 2:20,
-But do you want to know O, foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Danthemailman you teach faith alone can justify! You are telling James he is wrong!
Faith alone has no trust in God.
How can it?
Faith alone is disobedience.
A person who does not trust his parachute will not obey the command to jump from the plain.
Jesus commands obedience to His gospel. Those who do not trust Jesus will not obey His commandments to be saved,
Mark 16:15-16
-and Jesus said unto them, Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
-He that believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Danthemailman, you do not trust Jesus in faith only. True faith puts trust in what Jesus says to do.
That doing, is the obedience ie baptism.
The demons have faith alone, James 2:19, they have no trust Jesus will save them.
Likewise you have no trust obeying Jesus' direct commandment to be baptized will save you.
Danthemailman please answer my question.
If faith alone ie absent of all works saves us.
Then by your definition of salvation it must also be true, that one can live the rest of his life saved and never do a work of keeping Jesus' commandments Ever in his life, must still go to heaven, if faith only really saves us!
If you must do one good work ever in your life to be in heaven.
Then, Danthemailman, your faith alone salvation is false!
Your salvation of faith and no works contradicts itself, therefore cannot be Gods teaching on salvation.