Open discussion about UR - Chapter One

[St. SteVen]

This discussion was started in the topic titled:
What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?
I was answring some questions for @GRACE ambassador
We decided to move the discussion to our own thread. This is where the discussion ended.
GRACE Ambassador had asked that the KJB be used rather than my typical NIV quotes.

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Perhaps I should provide a list of references for scripture we could discuss?
Not as a matter of rebuttal, but as a matter of examination?
After all, I'm not trying to prove you WRONG, nor me RIGHT.

Let's take five at a time for now? (in no particular order)
Please respond with your translation of choice. (the scriptures)
Add comments, or wait for mine.

What do these scriptures say about Ultimate Redemption?

Acts 3:21

1 John 2:2

Romans 11:32

Titus 2:11

1 Timothy 4:10

 

[GRACE ambassador]

This discussion was started in the topic titled:
What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?
I was answring some questions for @GRACE ambassador
We decided to move the discussion to our own thread. This is where the discussion ended.
GRACE Ambassador had asked that the KJB be used rather than my typical NIV quotes.

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Perhaps I should provide a list of references for scripture we could discuss?
Not as a matter of rebuttal, but as a matter of examination?
After all, I'm not trying to prove you WRONG, nor me RIGHT.

Let's take five at a time for now? (in no particular order)
Please respond with your translation of choice. (the scriptures)
Add comments, or wait for mine.

What do these scriptures say about Ultimate Redemption?

Acts 3:21

1 John 2:2

Romans 11:32

Titus 2:11

1 Timothy 4:10

Definition?: "belief that all humankind (+ all Satan/fallen host) will eventually be saved"
ie, in:

"the final restoration, reconstitution, rebuilding, and reconstruction
of [the universe of] all things in heaven and in the earth", Correct?

What do these Scripture(s) Say, or, do NOT say, about this, in a Prayerful and Careful
thorough examination?

#1:

Acts 3:21 "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of​

restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth​

of all His holy prophets since the world began."​

as compared to "what was Already spoken"?

Again, looking forward to a "tough examination!" - You're up...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

My translation gives a different wording on this, but I'll work with what we have.

Does your translation have any footnotes about cross references to WHERE the holy prophets spoke about these things?

The message is pretty simple.
The prophets of old were looking forward to a time of restitution. (reconciliation, restoration...)

As are the fans of Ultimate Redemption. Next.

I think we've gotten started/moved to/on yoUR "thread now," so, I have:

as compared to "what was Already spoken"?

Isa 1:24-28 "Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the Mighty One​

of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine​

enemies: And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy​

dross, and take away all thy tin:​

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And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the​

beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the​

faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with​

righteousness.​

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And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together,​

and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."​

+

Mal 3:2-4 "But who may abide The Day of His coming? and who shall stand​

when He appeareth? for He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And​

He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver:​

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and He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that​

they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Then shall the​

offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days​

of old, and as in former years."​

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Next...

 

[St. SteVen]

Definition?: "belief that all humankind (+Satan/fallen host) will eventually be saved"
ie, in:

"the final restoration, reconstitution, rebuilding, and reconstruction
of [the universe of] all things in heaven and in the earth", Correct?

I'll mostly stick to your thread for the scripture discussion, but will answer this here. Thanks.
General, non-scriptural inquiries could go here, as well.

Definition: All of humankind is already saved by the complete work of the Atonement to pay the death penalty for our sin.
However, not all of humankind has yet entered onto a restored relationship with God.
And frankly, many religious people will need some work as well.

God draws each individual when and how he chooses. Each in turn. Some in this life, the rest in the afterlife.

Everyone that has knees to bend and a tongue to speak will gladly acknowledge Jesus as Lord. (not under forced compulsion)
This would include the forces of darkness, which Jesus ALREADY triumphed over on the cross.

 

[St. SteVen]

Isa 1:24-28 "Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the Mighty Oneof Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine
enemies: And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."+
Mal 3:2-4 "But who may abide The Day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appeareth? for He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years."

The translation is pretty rough, but I see some UR elements here. (that survived the translation process) Like...

"... purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin... I will restore thy judges... Zion shall be redeemed with judgment... He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap... (a fuller is a launderer) ... He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver... purge them as gold and silver... "

Amid some of the destructive language we see a purposeful refining and cleaning, restoration.

So, 1 John 2:2 is up next?

 

[St. SteVen]

So, 1 John 2:2 is up next?

Must be your turn for a nap. I'll try quoting this in the KJV. (not sure which KJ version you chose as UR 1 and only)
cc: @GRACE ambassador

1 John 2:2 KJV
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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The phrase "not for ours only" is the curious thing here. Why is that there?
The "propitiation" (atoning sacrifice) is "for the sins of the whole world."

My view is that the Atonement (propitiation for our sins) was a complete work.
Something that CAN be received (understood and believed) in this life.
But whether it is understood and believed (received) does not change the effectiveness.

The propitiation, after all, was not ONLY for us, but for the sins of the whole world.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I see some UR elements here. (that survived the translation process) Like...

"... purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin... I will restore thy judges... Zion shall be redeemed with judgment... He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap... (a fuller is a launderer) ... He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver... purge them as gold and silver... "

Amid some of the destructive language we see a purposeful refining and cleaning, restoration.

For the "children of Israel" Only, or for the Gentiles (rest of the world), and fallen angels?

Must be your turn for a nap. I'll try quoting this in the KJV. (not sure which KJ version you chose as UR 1 and only)
cc: @GRACE ambassador

1 John 2:2 KJV
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Cambridge edition, looks the same:
# 2: 1Jn 2:2

"And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ​

ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." ​

The phrase "not for ours only" is the curious thing here. Why is that there?
The "propitiation" (atoning sacrifice) is "for the sins of the whole world."

Agree, atonement sacrifice, paying the "penalty" of all sin of the whole world (but not of
those [fallen angels] residing elsewhere, and "pleasing/satisfying the Righteous Justice
Demand" Of The Father, so that now all may be "allowed entrance into The Presence"
Of A HOLY God?

My view is that the Atonement (propitiation for our sins) was a complete work.
Something that CAN be received (understood and believed) in this life.

Agree.

But whether it is understood and believed (received) does not change the effectiveness.

I may not understand this until the end of this exam, or maybe in the afterlife?

The propitiation, after all, was not ONLY for us, but for the sins of the whole world.

Since John's [prophecy/covenant] letter is written to the Jews ("not ONLY for us"), but Also
"for the whole world (Gentiles)," to whom Paul Directly addressed "Christ's Words."

More comments and/or next?:

Romans 11:32

# 3: Rom 11:32

"For God Hath Concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have Mercy upon all."​

?UR = "...WILL have mercy upon all (Unbelieving humankind and UNbelieving angels)"?

 

[St. SteVen]

For the "children of Israel" Only, or for the Gentiles (rest of the world), and fallen angels?

By Acts chapter 15 (the Jerusalem Council) Gentile Christians were well recognized.
Peter's experience at the house of Cornelius confirmed what God was doing.
And this was one of those things prophesied of old.

So, would say whole world, not Jews or gentiles. Unless the near context gives us a compelling reason. ???

Agree, atonement sacrifice, paying the "penalty" of all sin of the whole world (but not of
those [fallen angels] residing elsewhere, and "pleasing/satisfying the Righteous Justice
Demand" Of The Father, so that now all may be "allowed entrance into The Presence"
Of A HOLY God?

This fallen angels thing keeps coming up. Time to discuss.

I agree that the fallen angels were not covered in the atonement. But...
will most likely be shown mercy in the age of restoration.

Just conjecture on my part, but I imagine every individual being reviewed and judged and restored.
And after humanity, the fallen angels. Ending with Satan himself.

What a triumph of grace when God extends mercy to one we may considered the lowest life form in the universe.
What will the God who requires us to turn the other cheek do with the one that bruised his heel?
Satan's head has ALREADY been crushed.

Again... Just conjecture on my part.

Since John's [prophecy/covenant] letter is written to the Jews ("not ONLY for us"), but Also
"for the whole world (Gentiles)," to whom Paul Directly addressed "Christ's Words."

Right. (I think) Not sure what you are inferring. Agreement, I hope. - LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

Rom 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all."

?UR = "...WILL have mercy upon all (Unbelieving humankind and UNbelieving angels)"?

Reference to all of humankind. Although, the context is about Jews and gentiles.
But the principle applies across the board. IMHO

Not sure you can claim the angels are "UNbelieving" - LOL

James 2:19 KJV
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Rom 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all."

?UR = "...WILL have mercy upon all (Unbelieving humankind and UNbelieving angels)"?

Reference to all of humankind. Although, the context is about Jews and gentiles.
But the principle applies across the board. IMHO

Not sure you can claim the angels are "UNbelieving" - LOL

James 2:19 KJV
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Ok, errors me 1 u 0. Good catch! So, principle applies "across the board" of [unbelieving
mankind AND "believing in God, but [no FAITH In Christ's Work, yet] Fallen angels"]?

"For God Hath Concluded them all in unbelief, ​

that He might have Mercy upon all." (Rom 11:32)​

Just on-the-side questions: Did God (with Gentiles [having faith] as proselytes in Israel),
Before This verse, Consider "Jews believing, and Gentiles as 'Unbelieving' dogs"
(Mar_7:27-28)?

Did Israel fall (Rom 11:11), are now blinded in UNbelief, and God's Salvation Of "Grace
Through [might have mercy IF there is] faith" is available to both Jew and Gentile
(across the board)? = Fallen [ did God blind ] angels (dogs?), too? But not permanently?
in "URHO"?

I know, I know, getting tough again...
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Next stop #4: Titus 2:11 KJV

"For The Grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"​

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?Only, or: And fallen angels?

Thanks Be Unto God, I am one of those 'all men'! UR? Or: RU?

 

[St. SteVen]

Just on-the-side questions: Did God (with Gentiles [having faith] as proselytes in Israel),
Before This verse, Consider "Jews believing, and Gentiles as 'Unbelieving' dogs"
(Mar_7:27-28)?

No.
Parents are responsible to feed their own children before their pets.

Did Israel fall (Rom 11:11), are now blinded in UNbelief, and God's Salvation Of "Grace
Through [might have mercy IF there is] faith" is available to both Jew and Gentile
(across the board)? = Fallen [ did God blind ] angels (dogs?), too? But not permanently?
in "URHO"?

Not to my knowledge, if I even understand the question.
Jesus was a stumbling block (analogy) for the Jews.

I know, I know, getting tough again...

That's what being agnostic is all about. - LOL
We get to question things. And even say, "I don't know."
Just ribbing you. New topic has me thinking. (or not)

 

[St. SteVen]

Next stop #4: Titus 2:11 KJV

"For The Grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"

Pretty straight forward at face value. But...
Did the "Grace of God" bringing salvation actually appear to all men?
Since not all have seen, I would say this is in reference to application.
Being "seen" as in given. Grace appeared to all men.

?Only, or: And fallen angels?

Quit it with the fallen angels thing already. - LOL
See post #8 for my view. Thanks.

Thanks Be Unto God, I am one of those 'all men'! UR? Or: RU?

All means all.

One more before I provided a new batch of five.
You still game, my friend? Or am I wearing you out?

 

[St. SteVen]

Next stop #5: 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV

"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

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Another curious phrase. " specially of those that believe."
Which would be a subset of "all men".

Obviously, some were having issues with what they preached, and they didn't suffer reproach.
I can empathize. That's why I appreciate you. Willing to hear us out without reproach.


Okay, here are the next five, if you are still game.

1 John 4:14

1 Corinthians 15:22

Romans 5:15-16

Romans 5:18-19

Colossians 1:19-20

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Quit it with the fallen angels thing already. - LOL
See post #8 for my view. Thanks.

Yay, just to be sure, you're LOL = and, not Laughing Out Loud (at me), Correct?
So, now, since I woke up from a nap, and saw #8 after answering #9, errors are:
me 2 u 0 (why am I always left behind?)

And even say, "I don't know."

Yep, I'll be the first to admit that (with Many more questions still outstanding), and I
personally believe controversies About Scriptures Will Eventually Bring Out The Truth
Of Them! Amen?

New topic has me thinking. (or not)

Or: US thinking...: about Scripture and the Real meanings of the Words Of God:

"For The Grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"?​

Pretty straight forward at face value. But...
Did the "Grace of God" bringing salvation actually appear to all men?
Since not all have seen, I would say this is in reference to application.
Being "seen" as in given. Grace appeared to all men.

I personally believe that During This Current 'Dispensation Of The Grace Of God,' That He
Committed to Paul, that, Yes, "God's Grace Has, Is, And Will Appear (Given/Bestowed Upon?)
all (which means) ALL men!" After ALL, Scripture Does Say, In Mat_5:45 KJV:

"That ye may be the children of your Father Which is in ​

heaven: for He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on ​

the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust"​

​

Do you think this is 'Grace' on ALL mankind?:

All means all.

One more before I provided a new batch of five.
You still game, my friend? Or am I wearing you out?

No problem at all = Galatians 6:9 KJV:

"Let us not be weary in well doing, for In Due Season (rapture?),​

we shall reap if we faint not." (Also 2Th_3:13 cp Pro_3:11)​

But First, a brief intermission (to get some strength), and, for Clarification/Enlightenment of:

Re-visiting Definitions to solve some Confusion - cc: @St. SteVen's:

"Definition: All of humankind is already saved by the complete work of the Atonement to
pay the death penalty for our sin.
However, not all of humankind has yet entered onto a restored relationship with God.
And frankly, many religious people will need some work as well."

Re:
Define: salvation = restored Relationship With God (broken by Adam), Correct?

Please Also define: Grace, and Mercy, to see If we are "on the same page" for these?

Then, on to the Next Go?

 

[St. SteVen]

Yay, just to be sure, you're LOL = and, not Laughing Out Loud (at me), Correct?

Correct.

I personally believe that During This Current 'Dispensation Of The Grace Of God,' That He
Committed to Paul, that, Yes, "God's Grace Has, Is, And Will Appear (Given/Bestowed Upon?)
all (which means) ALL men!" After ALL, Scripture Does Say, In Mat_5:45 KJV:

"That ye may be the children of your Father Which is in heaven: for He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust"Do you think this is 'Grace' on ALL mankind?:

Grace on all humankind? Sure.
And yes, there are many forms of grace. I was referring to the redemptive grace extended to humankind.

Define: salvation = restored Relationship With God (broken by Adam), Correct?

Please Also define: Grace, and Mercy, to see If we are "on the same page" for these?

To me, salvation is the result of the Atonement for all humankind.
Some experience a restored relationship, or the beginning of one, in this lifetime.
For others, it will come in the afterlife. God chooses when to draw us by his Spirit.

I defined Grace above.
Mercy is straight forward. (to me) The option for judgment that is not punitive.
Forgiveness.

 

[St. SteVen]

Next up.

1 John 4:14 KJV
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

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Question: Did Jesus succeed, or fail to complete the mission he was sent to accomplish?

I know, I know... a loaded question. Or even rhetorical for our purposes. (answer not required)

The Apostles had SEEN and do TESTIFY that the Father SENT the Son to BE the Saviour of the world.

Who can thwart the directive of the Father, or the completed work of the Son?

 

[St. SteVen]

Next:

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

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The typical rebuttal is that ONLY those IN CHRIST will be made alive.
This ignores the form of the verse.

Notice how the two halves of the verse begin.
"For as... , even so... " Meaning, in the same way.

Next notice the two groups compared.
"... as in Adam all... so in Christ shall all..."

The "all"s are the same group, by comparison.

"... in Adam all..." is everyone. "... in Christ... all..." is everyone.

Therefore, "all" means all. (not some)

As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall SOME be made alive? (No, all)

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Grace on all humankind? Sure.
And yes, there are many forms of grace. I was referring to the redemptive grace extended to humankind.

Thanks; to me, Grace = God Giving me 'What I do not deserve!'

Mercy is straight forward. (to me) The option for judgment that is not punitive.
Forgiveness.

Thanks; to me, Mercy = God NOT Giving me 'The Judgment I Do Deserve!'
(Whole other topic = 'Chapter TWO' of this Great Discussion?

Next up.

1 John 4:14

"And we have seen and do testify that The Father ​

Sent The SON To Be The Saviour of the world."​

Agree, and The Saviour's Salvation:

Define: salvation = restored Relationship With God (broken by Adam), Correct?

To me, salvation is the result of the Atonement for all humankind.

Some experience a restored relationship, or the beginning of one, in this lifetime.

Thanks again; to me, Salvation From (Judgment/Death [the other topic]), Is In Three Parts:

"But we had the sentence of Death in ourselves, that we should not​

trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who Delivered​

us from so Great A Death, and Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that He​

will yet Deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB)​

1) In this lifetime, 'Deliverance' is in Two Parts:

a) Very Simply: ► "...By Grace Through faith ◄ Past Tense = "God Delivered me from so​

Great A Death (other topic?)..." 'Stablishing (Restoring?) HIS Eternal Relationship With​

me, who humbly repented (changed my mind that "sin Against Him is Wrong!" AGREEING ​

With God), and:​

​

believed, with 100% trust, placed Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Death​

( Precious BLOOD [ Merits? ]) Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The Scriptures!​

(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB)​

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the PENALTY of sin, The So Great A [ Second ] Death!​

(Revelation 21:8) = Justification and Spiritual Sanctification (2 Corinthians 1:10a cp​

Romans 3:24)​

​

b) ►► in faith, which worketh by love ◄◄ Present Tense = "...God Doth Deliver me...":​

IF I obey and do what I am 'ordained' to = Should do "good works" having "been​

Called into fellowship With Him!" (Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?​

​

I "work out my own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This Should Be a lifetime of Daily ​

submission, and renewing, being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),​

for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!} (2 Corinthians 1:10b) =​

personal sanctification:​

Eternal Results: reward [or loss] (1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and reigning [or not] With​

CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Bema Seat Judgment (whole other topic?)!​

Which Belongs In:​

2) Deliverance entering Into the next Eternal lifetime ►►► Blessed Hope ◄◄◄
Future Tense =

"...God Will Yet Deliver me" = CHRIST's Glorification of [me +] All "members" Of HIS Body!!​

{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!} .........................↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ In Christ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑​

(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;​

2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!​

Thanks, friend, for your kind, courteous, and Careful attention to my personal testimony...
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on to the next Go:

1 Corinthians 15:22

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."​

Depends what the Meaning of "in Christ" is, Correct?

However, looks as if you beat me to the punch

 

[St. SteVen]

Thanks; to me, Grace = God Giving me 'What I do not deserve!'
Thanks; to me, Mercy = God NOT Giving me 'The Judgment I Do Deserve!' (Whole other topic = 'Chapter TWO' of this Great Discussion?

Good, good.
Reminds me of this scripture below.
I puzzled over what the difference was for some time. Aren't compassion and mercy the same thing? (nope)
Then I looked up the definitions.

Similar to what you are saying...
Compassion is when we get the good thing that we don't deserve.
Mercy is when we don't get the bad thing that we do deserve.

Romans 9:15 KJV
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Next:

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

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The typical rebuttal is that ONLY those IN CHRIST will be made alive.
This ignores the form of the verse.

Notice how the two halves of the verse begin.
"For as... , even so... " Meaning, in the same way.

Next notice the two groups compared.
"... as in Adam all... so in Christ shall all..."

The "all"s are the same group, by comparison.

"... in Adam all..." is everyone. "... in Christ... all..." is everyone.

Therefore, "all" means all. (not some)

As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall SOME be made alive? (No, all)

Thanks, looks as if my rebuttal will have to wait until after Chapter Two's Judgment's
discussion, and into Chapter Three?

By The way, it is Very Wonderful that this is proceeding according To # 5 Of: God's study Rules:

(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :

(a) "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;​

line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"​

(Isaiah_28:10, 13 KJB)​

(b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :

”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is​

Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for​

instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may​

be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”​

(2_Timothy_3:16-17 KJB)​

(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
Specific doctrine! :

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s​

wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;​

comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”​

(1_Corinthians_2:13 KJB)​

{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}​

No one has ever utilized this rule with me before, but you must be 'a cut above'?
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Next go:

Romans 5:15-16

"But not as the offence, so also [ is ] The Free Gift. For if through the offence ​

of one many be dead, much more The Grace of God, and The Gift by Grace, ​

[ which is ] by One Man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as ​

[ it was ] by one that sinned, [ so is ] The Gift: for the judgment was by one to ​

condemnation, but The Free Gift is of many offences unto Justification."​

The all [ many ] offences of ALL humankind, right?