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Prophetic Chart from beginning unto the ending, Prophetic studies

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  1. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for the typo. I meant Daniel 8:5-7.
    That prophecy undoubtedly refers to Alexander the Great. Confirmed by Daniel 8:21-22.
    So the passage of Daniel 8:12-14 is about Antiochus 4, referred to as the little horn.

    This makes the 2300 evenings and mornings, to be past history; shoehorning it into the end of the world, or anywhere in this Christian era is a mistake and just leads to confusion.
    Here is my article on Daniel:

    Daniel 2:20-22 Blessed be the Lord’s Name [Jesus] from age to age, for to Him belong wisdom and power. He changes seasons and times, He deposes and sets up kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment, revealing deep mysteries: in Him there is light and understanding. Proverbs 8:12-29

    Daniel 2:31-33 In your dream, your majesty, you saw a great image. The head of the image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron and its feet of part iron, part clay.


    The Assyrian Kingdom – [Sargon]

    Daniel 7:4 The first beast was like a lion with eagles wings, then its wings were removed and it stood on two feet like a human. It was given the mind of a human.
    This kingdom had already passed by the time of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. It conquered and sent into exile the ten Northern tribes of Israel


    The Babylonian Kingdom – [Nebuchadnezzar]

    Daniel 2:38 You king Nebuchadnezzar, are that head of gold.
    Daniel 7:5 The second beast was like a bear, it raised itself up on one side and it had three ribs in its mouth. The command was given: Get up and gorge yourself on flesh. [The Babylonian conquest of Judah]


    The Media/Persian Kingdom [King Cyrus]

    Daniel 2:32 & 39a...its chest and arms of silver...After you another kingdom will arise that will be inferior to yours

    Daniel 8:3-4 & 20 The ram with two horns, Persia and Media.


    The Macedonian [Greek] Kingdom. [Alexander the Great]

    Daniel 2:32 & 39b ...its belly and thighs of bronze....Next a third kingdom of bronze will rule over the whole earth.

    Daniel 7:6 The third beast was like a leopard with four wings like a bird, it had four heads and was given authority to rule. [Alexander’s conquest of the known world]

    Daniel 8:5-8 & 20-21 The defeat of the Babylonian Empire, by Alexander. Daniel 11:2

    Daniel 8:9-14 & 22 After Alexander’s death, four kingdoms are formed.

    Daniel 11:3-4 One of those kings, Antiochus Epiphanes, succeeded in conquering the holy Land and he desecrated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 5:13-20 Then Judas Maccabaeus defeated him. 2 Maccabees 8:16-24 Then they rededicated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 10:1-8 The 2300 evenings and mornings; actually 1150 days, was the time between the desecration and rededication of the Temple, circa 167BC to 164BC. This is a precursor to what will happen in the last days.

    Daniel 11:5-20 This is a description of other historical battles and alliances.


    The Roman Empire – [Julius Caesar]

    Daniel 2:32-33 & 40 Finally there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, it will dominate all the others, but as its legs represent, this will be a divided kingdom – its people will be a mixture, it will not remain united. [The Western and Eastern Roman Empires]

    Daniel 7:7a & 23 The fourth beast, fearsome and very powerful with great iron teeth, crushed and devoured its victims, then trampled what was left.

    Daniel 9:26 After sixty two weeks, [434 years] the anointed Prince, [Jesus] will be removed and the army [of Rome] will destroy the city and the Temple. [As fulfilled in 70AD.]

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  2. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    A Last Days resurgence of Rome – [the Anti Christ]


    Daniel 2:33 & 42-43...its feet of part iron and part clay....


    Daniel 7:7b-8 ... the fourth beast had ten horns, another horn grew up and uprooted three of the ten. That other horn was very imposing and spoke with great power. As I watched this horn waged war on the holy ones and defeated them. Rev 17:12-13, Rev 13:5-8


    Daniel 7:23-24 The explanation is this: This fourth kingdom will take over the whole earth, [The One World Government] The ten horns signify the ten divisions of the world, but another man will arise and defeat three of the first leaders.


    Daniel 11:21 Another king will come, a person not worthy of recognition, but he will seize power by intrigue and cunning. [a clever and charismatic man]


    Daniel 8:23-25 In the last days, when sin is at its height, a powerful king and a master of strategy will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does and will take control of the nations and the holy people. [all the faithful Christians, gathered in all of the holy Land] By cunning and deceit, he will destroy many when they felt secure and did not expect it. He will challenge the ‘Prince of princes’, [the Lord] yet he will be defeated, but not by human hand.


    Daniel 9:27 The prince, [The world leader, descended from Rome] will make a treaty with many, [that is: not all of the Christians] for one week, [that is: seven years] but at the mid point, he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. [in the new Temple] He will place an ‘abomination’ there, then in the end what has been decreed will come on him.


    Daniel 7:25 He will defy God and take control of the holy people for 3½ years. [This is the ‘beast’ of Revelation 13:1-8. The One World leader receives a ‘mortal blow’ and his body is taken over by Satan, commencing the ‘forty two months’ Tribulation period]


    Daniel 11:22-45 His army will be victorious and a leader of the Covenant people will be killed. The military forces of the South will be defeated and he will invade the Middle East, but ships of the Western nations will oppose him, so he will turn back. In the holy Land, he will vent his fury against the people who hold to the Covenant, but will show favour to those who forsake it by believing his promises. His soldiers will desecrate the Temple, setting up an ‘abomination of desolation’. Those of the Lord’s people [Christians] who remain faithful to the Lord, will be resolute and take action. Wise leaders of the nation will guide their people, though for a time some may be killed or captured. They will receive a little help, as many who join them are insincere. This is a period of testing, of refining and purification, for the end is yet to be; at the appointed time. Daniel 7:9, Daniel 8:22, Rev. 13:8


    Daniel 11:36-45 This powerful world ruler will do as he pleases, he will promote himself as god, uttering terrible blasphemies. Things will go well for him until the time of wrath is completed. [The Tribulation] Near the end, the leader of a Southern confederation will attempt to attack him, so he storms out in full force, sweeping all before him, including the holy Land. He will take control of all Arabia and take their treasure. Then, alarmed by rumours from the North and East, he will hurriedly go back to Israel and camp in the valley of Megiddo, where he will meet his end. Daniel 7:11, Revelation 19:17-21




    The Kingdom of Jesus2 Samuel 22:32


    Daniel 2:34-35 & 44-45 I saw a supernatural Rock that smashed the statue, it blew it away like chaff. Then that Rock became a huge mountain that filled the whole earth. God will set up a Kingdom that will be supreme over all other kingdoms and it will endure forever.


    Daniel 7:13-14 & 26-27 The Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. Gods judgement is against the Anti Christ and his kingdom is abolished. The governance of the whole world is given to the holy people of God. Revelation 20:6


    Daniel 12:1-4 At the end of that time, [the Tribulation] Michael, the Archangel of Israel will appear, he will deliver the Lord’s people – everyone whose name is written in the Book of Life. Many of the dead will rise, some to eternal life, some to eternal abhorrence. The wise leaders, those who guided the people on the true path, will shine like stars forever.

    But you, Daniel, keep this book sealed until the time of the end. Many will try, but will not succeed to gain this knowledge.


    Daniel 12:5-10 I asked: How long until the end of these things? It will be for 3½ years, [1260 days] when the holy people regain their strength. I asked: What will the outcome of all this be? Go your way, Daniel, for these prophesies are to be kept secret until the time of the end. Many people will be purified and made righteous, but the godless will keep on in their wickedness and none of them will understand. Daniel 8:22


    Daniel 12:11-12 From the time the Anti Christ sets up the ‘abomination of desolation’, there will be 1290 days. Blessed are those who see the completion of 1335 days! Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. some verses condensed.

    The extra 75 days from the 1260 days, when Jesus will Return, as shown in Revelation 12, is required for the cleansing and rededication of the Temple.
     
  3. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    You have missed your own declaration about dual fulfillment of prophecy in your earlier posts.

    The 2300 days in Dan.8:14 is still future simply because that "little horn" represents the final Antichrist at the end of this world.

    Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the abomination of desolation within the signs of the very end He gave in His Olivet discourse...

    Matt 24:15
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    KJV

    That is a reference to the "vile person" in Daniel 11 that makes a "league" in Jerusalem associated with re-establishing sacrifices again, and then ends them and sets in place an idol abomination instead. Many think that was about Antiochus IV and thus was history fulfilled. Problem is, they haven't figured out yet that our Lord Jesus linked that Dan.11 event for the END of this world per His Olivet discourse. What does that mean? It means that Dan.11 ending sacrifices idea is a FUTURE fulfillment at the end.

    And lo, what event is Dan.8:11-14 talking about? It's talking the one who ends the daily sacrifices and causes a transgression of desolation...

    Dan 8:11-14
    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
    13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
    KJV


    And there it is, the same act of the "vile person" in Dan.11. That is the same "abomination that maketh desolate" spoken of in Daniel 11. Thus the "little horn" of Dan.8 also represents the final Antichrist at the END of this world.

    Dan 11:31
    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    KJV
     
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    Not in question. The matter is the "little horn" that arises out of the four winds. This is not Antiochus IV Epiphanes for all the reasons previously cited.
     
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    ReChoired Well-Known Member

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    The Kingdom of Daniel 7:4 is not Assyria (and never had control over the southern tribes), but Babylon (Neo). Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    Dan. 2:1

    “And in the second year ...”

    Dan. 7:1

    “In the first year of ...”​

    Dan. 2:1

    “... the reign of Nebuchadnezzar ...”

    Dan. 7:1

    “... Belshazzar king of Babylon ...”​

    Dan. 2:1,19

    “... Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams ...”, “... the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. ...”

    Dan. 7:1

    “... Daniel had a dream and visions ...”​

    Dan. 2:1,28

    “... his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.”, “But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;”

    Dan. 7:1,15

    “... of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.”, “I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.”​

    Dan. 2:29

    “... thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed ...”

    Dan. 7:2

    “... I saw in my vision by night ...”​

    Dan. 2:31

    “... behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.”

    Dan. 7:2

    “... I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.”​

    Dan. 2:32

    “This image's head was of fine gold ...”

    Dan. 7:4

    “The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.”​

    Dan. 2:32

    “... his breast and his arms of silver, ...”

    Dan. 7:5

    “And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.”​

    Dan. 2:32

    “... his belly and his thighs of brass,”

    Dan. 7:6

    “After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.”​

    Dan. 2:33

    “His legs of iron, ...”

    Dan. 7:7

    “ After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it ...”​

    Dan. 2:33,34

    “... his feet part of iron and part of clay.”, “... the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay ...”

    Dan. 7:7

    [an historical Type, Old World];

    “... and it had ten horns.”; [These, in Daniel 7, become 7, after 3 are uprooted by the 11th which becomes the 8th, and thus the 7 become finally incorporated into the final world-wide “ten” [whole; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, etc]]
    [End-Time Greater Anti-type, Whole World]

    Rev. 17:3,7,12,13,14,16,17, 18:3,9,10, 19:19​

    “... and ten horns.”, “... and ten horns.”, “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”, “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”, “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”, “And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.”, “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”, “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”, “And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,”, “Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.”, “And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.”​

    Dan. 2:34,35

    “Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.”

    “Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”

    Dan. 7:14

    “And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”​

    Dan. 2:36

    “... the dream ...”

    Dan. 7:15

    “... the visions of my head ...”​

    Dan. 2:36,45

    “... we will tell the interpretation thereof ...”, “... the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.”

    Dan. 7:16

    “I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.”​

    Dan. 2:37

    “... kings ...”

    Dan. 7:17,24

    “... kings ...”, “... kings … kings ...”​

    Dan. 2:37,39,40,41,42,55

    “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdoms ...”

    Dan. 7:18,22,23,24,26,27

    “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... kingdoms ...”, “... kingdom ...”, “... dominion … it ...”, “... the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom … kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions ...”​

    Dan. 2:37,38,44,45

    “... the God of heaven ...”, “... he ...”, “... the God of heaven ...”, “... the great God ...”

    Dan. 7:18,22,25,27

    “... the most High ...”, “... the Ancient of days … of the most High ...”, “... the most High … the most High ...”, “... the most High … him.”​

    Dan. 2:38

    “... beasts … fowls of the heaven ...”

    Dan. 7:17,19,23

    “... great beasts ...”, “... fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others ...”, “... The fourth beast ...”​

    Dan. 2:44

    “... for ever.”

    Dan. 7:18,27

    “... for ever, even for ever and ever.”, “... everlasting ...”​

    Dan. 2:37,38,39,40

    “Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.”, “And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.”, “And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.”, “And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.”

    Dan. 7:17,19,23

    “These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.”, “Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;”, “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.”​

    Dan. 2:46,47,48,49

    “... Daniel ...”, “... Daniel ...”, “... Daniel ...”, “... Daniel … Daniel ...”

    Dan. 7:28

    “... Daniel ...”​
     
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  6. ReChoired

    ReChoired Well-Known Member

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    The Kingdom of Daniel 7:4 is not Assyria (and never had control over the southern tribes), but Babylon (Neo). Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    King Nebuchadnezzar II [aka "Nebuchadnezar" or "Nebuchadrezzar"] - Lived 634 BC – 562 BC; Reigned 606/5 BC – 562 BC (AM 3621 – AM 3666); See: 2 Kings 24:1,10,11, 25:1,8,22; 1 Chronicles 6:15; 2 Chronicles 36:6,7,10,13; Ezra 1:7, 2:1; Nehemiah 7:6; Esther 2:6; Jeremiah 21:2,7, 22:25, 24:1, 25:1,9, 27:6-8,20, 28:3,11,14, 29:1,3,21, 32:1,28, 34:1, 35:11, 37:1, 39:1,5,11, 43:10, 44:30, 46:2,13,26, 49:28,30, 50:17, 51:34, 52:4,12,28,29,30; Ezekiel 26:7, 29:18,19, 30:10; Daniel 1:1,18, 2:1,28,46, 3:1,2,3,5,7,9,13,14,16,19,24,26,28, 4:1,4,18,28,31,33,34,37, 5:2,11,18

    He has 7 Years of madness; Daniel 4:1-37 sometime after many years of reign, and afterward He is restored to His kingdom for years yet further.

    Babylon [Daniel 1:1, 2:12,14,18,24,48,49, 3:1,12,30, 4:6,29,30, 5:7, 7:1; 2 Kings 17:24,30, 20:12,14,17,18, 24:1,7,10,11,12,15,16,17,20, 25:1,6,7,8,11,13,20,21,22,23,24,27,28; 1 Chronicles 9:1; 2 Chronicles 32:31, 33:11, 36:6,7,10,18,20; Ezra 1:11, 2:1, 7:6,9, 8:1; Nehemiah 7:6, 13:6; Esther 2:6; Psalms 87:4, 137:1,8; Isaiah 13:1,19, 14:4,24, 21:9, 39:1,3,6,7, 43:14, 47:1, 48:14,20; Jeremiah 20:4,5,6, 21:2,4,7,10, 22:25, 24:1, 25:1,9,11,12, 27:6,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,20,22, 28:2,3,4,611,14, 29:1,3,4,10,15,20,21,22,28, 32:2,3,4,5,28,36, 34:1,2,3,7,21, 35:11, 36:29, 37:1,17,19, 38:3,17,18,22,23, 39:1,3,5,6,7,911,13, 40:1,4,5,7,9,11, 41:2,18, 42:11, 43:3,10, 44:30, 46:2,13,26, 49:28,30, 50:1,2,8,9,13,14,16,17,18,23,24,28,29,34,35,42,43,45,46, 51:1,2,6,7,8,9,11,12,24,29,30,31,33,34,35,37,41,42,44,47,48,49,53,54,55,56,58,59,60,61,64, 52:3,4,9,10,11,12,1517,26,27,31,32,34; Ezekiel 12:13, 17:12,16,20, 19:9, 21:19,21, 23:15,17,23, 24:2, 26:7, 29:18,19, 30:10,24,25, 32:11; Micah 4:10; Zechariah 2:7, 6:10; Matthew 1:11,12,17; Acts 7:43; 1 Peter 5:13; Revelation 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2,10,21] aka “Shinar” [land of the two rivers] [Genesis 10:10, 11:2, 14:1,9; Isaiah 11:11; Daniel 1:2; Zechariah 5:11; see also “Babel” [Genesis 10:10, 11:9] and “Babylonians” [Ezra 4:9] “Babylonish” [Joshua 7:21]] aka “Chaldea[ns,ees]” [Genesis 11:28,31, 15:7; 2 Kings 24:2, 25:4,5,10,13,24,25,26; 2 Chronicles 36:17; Job 1:17; Nehemiah 9:7; Isaiah 13:19, 23:13, 43:14, 47:1,5, 48:14,20; Jeremiah 21:4,9, 22:25, 24:5, 25:12, 32:4,5,24,25,28,29,43, 33:5,11, 37:5, 37:8,9,10,11,13,14, 38:2,18,19,23, 39:5,8, 40:9,10, 41:3,18, 43:3, 50:1,8,10,25,35,45, 51:4,24,35,54, 52:7,8,14,17; Ezekiel 1:3, 11:24, 12:13, 16:29, 23:14,15,16,23; Ezra 5:12; Daniel 1:4, 2:2,4,5,10, 3:8, 4:7, 5:7,11,30, 9:1; Habakkuk 1:6], also “Merathaim” [symbolic name] [Jeremiah 50:21], see also “Sheshach” [another symbolic name] [Jeremiah 25:26, 51:41], “the Lady of Kingdoms” [symbolic, 'mistress'] [Isaiah 47:5 [and context]]

    EvilMerodach [son of Nebuchadnezzar II; aka "Amel-Marduk"] - Reigned 562 BC – 560 BC (AM 3666 – AM 3668); see 2 Kings 25:27; Jeremiah 52:31

    He is killed by brother-in-law, Nergalsharezer/Neriglissar

    Nergalsharezer [Son-in-law of Nebuchadnezzar II; aka "Neriglissar"] - Reigned 560 BC - 556 BC (AM 3668 – AM 3672); see Jeremiah 39:13

    He killed brother-in-law, EvilMerodach/Amel-Marduk.

    Labashi-Marduk [son of Nergalsharezer/Neriglissar] - Reigned 556 BC; 9 months (AM 3672); Murdered

    Nabonidus [son of Nebuchadnezzar II] - Reigned 556 BC – 539 BC (AM 3672 – AM 3689); see Daniel 5:7,16,29; Jeremiah 27:6-7

    He also co-reigned with his son, Belshazzar, while he was away from Babylon, and he dies later, see also Daniel 5:25-31; Isaiah 14:22.

    Belshazzar [Prophets And Kings Page 522.2; etc. “Belshazzar”; “third ruler”; son of Nabonidus; grandson of Nebuchadnezzar II] - Reigned [Jointly] 553 BC – 539 BC (AM 3675 - AM 3689); Nabonidus in Tayma; see Daniel 5:1,2,9,22,29,30, 7:1; Jeremiah 27:6-7 and see also Daniel 5:7,16,29 [“Daniel” would be made “third ruler”, thus Belshazzar was the 2nd'; Nabonidus the 1st], His reign ends shortly before his fathers', Nabonidus, does; see also Daniel 5:25-31; Isaiah 14:22.

    Belshazzar dies the very night the Persians/Medes enter the city, see also Nabonidus Cylinder [British Museum tablet 38299], Book of Baruch [deuterocanon/apocryphal], Josephus Antiquities 10.11.2-4 §231-247 and see also the book Cyropaedia Book 7, Chapter 5, Section 7-38 [Diverting The Euphrates, Fall of Babylon and King Belshazzar], Section 59-65 [Setting Up The Eunuchs in the Palace From The Door-Keeper Up] which gives historical details of this event that was prophetically foretold - http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...%3Asection%3D7 [Daniel himself, and Hannaniah, Mishael and Azariah were made eunuchs; see Isaiah 39:7; Daniel 1:7,8,9,10,11,18].​

    In Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11, we see the pattern that Babylon (Gold, Lion, etc) was identified as the first Kingdom, to be follow by Medo-Persia, followed by Greecia, followed by Rome, and its divisions unto the final stages of earth's history before the second coming:

    in Daniel 7:

    Symbol:

    Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.​

    Symbol:

    Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    Since the 4th beast is "the fourth kingdom upon earth", who then were the first 3?​

    As we know that Daniel 2 was parallel in language to Daniel 7, we know who they are:

    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:

    “This image's head was of fine gold ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

    Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.​

    This is exactly in harmony with what the previous prophets said:

    Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Isa_14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

    Jer 4:7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

    Jer 49:19 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the habitation of the strong: but I will suddenly make him run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?

    Jer 49:20 Therefore hear the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Edom; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the inhabitants of Teman: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitations desolate with them.

    Jer 49:21 The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red sea.

    Jer 49:22 Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.

    Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.​

    Thus parallels Daniel 7:

    Dan. 7:4

    The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.”​
     
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    Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    Dan. 2:32

    “... his breast and his arms of silver, ...”

    Dan. 7:5

    “And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.”​

    [2] Bear, [2] Silver “arms and chest”
    [Daniel 1:21, 2:32,39, 5:25-31, 6:8,12,15,28, 7:5,12,17 8:4,20, 9:1, 10:1,13, 11:1-2; Isaiah 21:2 “Go up, O Elam [Persia]: besiege, O Media”; 2 Chronicles 36:22,23; Jeremiah 25:25, 50:1,2,3,9,10,14,23,29,41,42, 51:1:3,11,27,28; Esther 1:3,14,18,19, 10:2; Ezra 1:1, 5:13,17; 6:1,2,3, 12,14; 7; Nehemiah 1; Acts 2:9] = Medo-Persia

    Medes = “Madai” = Genesis 10:2 “The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.”

    Persia = “Elam” [a major province/city of Persia] = Genesis 10:22 “The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.”

    The Medes and Persians, were to conquer the Babylonians:

    Daniel 8:4 “I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.”​

    Darius The Mede[ian]
    [son of 'Ahasuerus'; Daniel 9:1, not the 'Ahasuerus' [aka Cambyses II] of Ezra 4:6, nor the 'Ahasuerus' [aka Xerxes I The Great] of Esther 1:1-2,9,10,15,16,17,19, 2:1,12,16,21, 3:1,7,8,12, 6:2, 7:5, 8:1,7,10,12, 9:2,20,30, 10:1,3] - 539 BC – 538/7 BC (about 2 years; AM 3689 – AM 3690/1); see Daniel 5:31, 6:1,6,9,25,28, 9:1, 11:1

    Cyrus II, The Great, King of the Medes [and later Persians] [King of the East] [son of Cambyses I; nephew of Darius The Mede] - 600 BC [kinged backwards through tradition] or 576 BC–530 and in Babylon 537/6 BC (AM 3691/2); see 2 Chronicles 36:22,23; Ezra 1:1,2,7,8, 3:7, 4:3,5, 5:13,14,17, 6:3,14; Isaiah 44:28, 45:1; Daniel 1:21, 6:28, 10:1 and Daniel 11:2 [the currently reigning King of Babylon, after which were to follow 3 kings [Cambyses II, False Smerdis, Darius I of Hystaspes The Persian] and then a 4th Richer king [Xerxes I The Great, aka "Ahasuerus" of Esther]]

    He Reigned ca. 559 BC – 530 BC [co-ruling Media/Persia until ca. 549 BC, then overruling the Medes, then later Babylonia]

    (Nebuchadnezzar II, 1st Year) 606/5 BC – 537/6 BC (Cyrus II, 1st year) = 70 years

    Cyrus II is said to have died in 530 BC, and his reign in Babylon only lasted 7 years, placing the beginning of his reign in 537/6 BC:

    "... Cyrus did not venture into Egypt, and was alleged to have died in battle, fighting the Massagetae along the Syr Darya in December 530 BC.[12][13] ..." - Cyrus the Great - Wikipedia

    "... [13] Beckwith, Christopher. (2009). Empires of the Silk Road: A History of Central Eurasia from the Bronze Age to the Present. Princeton and Oxford: Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-0-691-13589-2. p. 63.

    [14] Cyrus's date of death can be deduced from the last two references to his own reign (a tablet from Borsippa dated to 12 August and the final from Babylon 12 September 530 BC) and the first reference to the reign of his son Cambyses (a tablet from Babylon dated to 31 August and or 4 September), but a undocumented tablet from the city of Kish dates the last official reign of Cyrus to 4 December 530 BC; see R.A. Parker and W.H. Dubberstein, Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C. – A.D. 75, 1971. ..." - Cyrus the Great - Wikipedia

    "... In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity. And these things God did afford them; for he stirred up the mind of Cyrus, and made him write this throughout all Asia: "Thus saith Cyrus the king: Since God Almighty hath appointed me to be king of the habitable earth, I believe that he is that God which the nation of the Israelites worship; for indeed he foretold my name by the prophets, and that I should build him a house at Jerusalem, in the country of Judea." This was known to Cyrus by his reading the book which Isaiah left behind him of his prophecies; for this prophet said that God had spoken thus to him in a secret vision: "My will is, that Cyrus, whom I have appointed to be king over many and great nations, send back my people to their own land, and build my temple." This was foretold by Isaiah one hundred and forty years before the temple was demolished. Accordingly, when Cyrus read this, and admired the Divine power, an earnest desire and ambition seized upon him to fulfill what was so written; so he called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said to them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem, and the temple of God, for that he would be their assistant, and that he would write to the rulers and governors that were in the neighborhood of their country of Judea, that they should contribute to them gold and silver for the building of the temple, and besides that, beasts for their sacrifices. ...” - Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, Book 11, Chapter 1

    Medo-Persia
    [from further eastward], in speaking of the “three ribs” in Daniel 7:5 conquered Babylon in the “westward”, also Lydia in the “northward” and also Egypt in the “southward”.

    Media[ns] [2 Kings 17:6, 18:11; Daniel 5:28, 6:8,12,15, 8:20, 9:1, 11:1; Esther 1:3,14,18,19, 10:2; Isaiah 13:17, 21:2; Ezra 6:2; Jeremiah 51:11,28; Acts 2:9; see also “Madai” [Genesis 10:2; 1 Chronicles 1:5]]

    Persia[ns] [2 Chronicles 36:20,22,23; Ezra 1:1,2,8, 3:7, 4:3,5,7,24, 6:14, 7:1, 9:9; Esther 1:3,14,18,19, 10:2; Ezekiel 27:10, 38:5; Daniel 5:28, 6:8,12,15,28, 8:20, 10:1,13,20, 11:2; Nehemiah 12:22] see also “PERES” [Daniel 5:28] and also see “Elam” [Isaiah 21:2,6; Jeremiah 25:25, 49:34,35,36,37,38,39; Ezekiel 32:24; Daniel 8:2], “Elamites” [Ezra 4:9; Acts 2:9] and also “Persis” [Romans 16:12]​
     
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    Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    The next (second) Kingdom (after Babylon) to follow was:


    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:


    “... his breast and his arms of silver, ...”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,​

    Paralleling Daniel 7 & 8:

    Dan. 7:5

    Symbol:

    “And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Paralleling Dan. 8:

    Dan. 8:3-4

    Symbol:

    Dan 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

    Dan 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.​

    Just as the other prophets said:

    Isa_13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

    Isa 21:2 A grievous vision is declared unto me; the treacherous dealer dealeth treacherously, and the spoiler spoileth. Go up, O Elam: besiege, O Media; all the sighing thereof have I made to cease.

    Isa 44:27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

    Isa 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

    Isa 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    Isa 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

    Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

    Jer 51:10 The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

    Jer 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

    Jer 51:28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.

    Jer 51:29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

    Dan 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.

    Dan 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

    Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

    Dan 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

    Dan 5:29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

    Dan 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.

    Dan 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

    Dan 6:8 Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.

    Dan_9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;

    Dan_10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

    Dan 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.​
     
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    Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    Cyrus II (537/536 BC - 530 BC) (AM 3691/2 - AM 3697)


    Cambyses II [Cyrus II son] the “Ahasuerus” of Ezra 4:6 [not the Ahasuerus, the 'father' of Darius the Mede of Daniel 9:1, and neither the Ahasuerus of Esther [Xerxes I, The Great], “...which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, [over] an hundred and seven and twenty provinces...”] see also "Prophets and Kings", Page 572-572 [342-343]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 1st of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great] and see also See also Ezra 4:5 “...all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.” for context and period of between...

    He Reigned 530 BC – 522 BC [Babylon] (AM 3697 - AM 3705) reigned about 7 1/2 years (rounded to 8)
    He Reigned 525 BC – 522 BC [Egypt]


    False Smerdis [aka Pseudo Bardiya [or Gaumata the Usurper/sorceror] aka [false] “Artaxerxes” of Ezra 4:7-23 [4:7,8,23]] - 522 BC (AM 3705), about 6 months to 1 year or so, before being killed, found as an impostor - [Haggai [the LORD's Messenger] and Zechariah [the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the Prophet] the Prophets begin during the reign of this Usurper; Ezra 5:1, 6:14] Prophets and Kings Page 573 [343] [“...During the reign of Cambyses the work on the temple progressed slowly. And during the reign of the false Smerdis (called Artaxerxes in Ezra 4:7) the Samaritans induced the unscrupulous impostor to issue a decree forbidding the Jews to rebuild their temple and city. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 572-573]]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 2nd of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great] and Ezra 4:7; “Artaxerxes” [reigned in between Cyrus II The Great and Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great, see Ezra 4:5 “...all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.” for the two 'bookend' kings] and see Ezra 4:7-24 [[false] Artaxerxes decree to cease building, which went against the Law of the Medes/Persians which changes not] and see Ezra 6:8-12 [Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great, after eliminating False Smerdis, has to re-issue the Decree of Cyrus II]

    Darius I The Persian, [of] Hystaspes, The Great - 522 BC – 486 BC (AM 3705 - AM 3741) [Ezra 4:5,24, 5:5; Haggai 1:1; Zechariah 1:1; wife was Atossa [daughter of Cyrus II, The Great] [not to be confused with Darius The Mede of Daniel]] [Haggai [the LORD's Messenger] and Zechariah [the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the Prophet] the Prophets continue during the reign of this King; Haggai 1:1 [even unto the 2nd year; Haggai 1:15]; Zechariah 1:1 [even unto the 4th year; Zechariah 7:1]; etc]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 3rd of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great]

    Xerxes I, The Great - 486 BC - 465 BC (AM 3741 - AM 3762) [aka; Persian: Ḫšayāršā; Hebrew: 'Achashverowsh; Bible: “Ahasuerus” [“I will be silent and poor”, or “lion-king” [Gesenius's Lexicon]] [son of Darius I Hystaspes The Persian The Great; aka "Ahasuerus" [Husband] of Esther [Hadassah] of 127 Provinces; Esther 1:1] of Esther 1:1-2,9,10,15,16,17,19, 2:1,12,16,21, 3:1,7,8,12, 6:2, 7:5, 8:1,7,10,12, 9:2,20,30, 10:1,3 [not to be confused with the father of Darius the Mede in Daniel 9:1], but rather, “Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus, (this [is] Ahasuerus which reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, [over] an hundred and seven and twenty provinces” Esther 1:1; Queen was Vashti, and then Queen was [Hadassah] Esther [whose uncle was Mordecai the Jew]; Xerxes was the son of Darius The Persian and Atossa] [Esther, the Book of happens during the reign of this King], [“...Xerxes,—the Ahasuerus of the book of Esther...” [Prophets and Kings, page 598.2]] [“...Darius Hystaspes, under whose reign the Jews had been shown marked favor, was succeeded by Xerxes the Great. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 600.1]]; see also Daniel 11:2 [the 4th of the 4 kings that had “yet” to Reign in Persia after Cyrus II The Great]; [“...the fourth shall be far richer than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.”]

    Artaxerxes I Longimanus/Macrocheir, The Great [Artaxerxes was the son of Xerxes I and his wife Amestris] - 465 BC – 424 BC (AM 3762 - AM 3803); his 7th year of reign is astronomically, historically, established at 457 BC (circa AM 3769); [Ezra [the scribe] in the first years at least, while Nehemiah [the cupbearer] was in the latter years at least, 20th year] [“...But it was not until several years later, in the seventh year of Artaxerxes I, the successor of Xerxes the Great, that any considerable number returned to Jerusalem, under Ezra. ...” [Prophets and Kings, page 605.3]] [“...The decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus for the restoring and building of Jerusalem, the third issued since the close of the seventy years’ captivity, is remarkable for its expressions regarding the God of heaven, for its recognition of the attainments of Ezra, and for the liberality of the grants made to the remnant people of God. Artaxerxes refers to Ezra as “the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the Lord, and of His statutes to Israel;” “a scribe of the law of the God of heaven.” The king united with his counselors in offering freely “unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem;” and in addition he made provision for meeting many heavy expenses by ordering that they be paid “out of the king’s treasure house.” Verses 11, 12, 15, 20. ...” [Prophets and Kings; page 610.1]]

    Xerxes II [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus] - Reigned 424 BC (AM 3803) [reigned 45 days]

    He was killed by brother Sogdianus.

    Sogdianus [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus] - Reigned 424 BC – 423 BC (AM 3803 - AM 3804) [reigned 6 months 15 days]

    He was killed by Arbarios, commander of the calvary.

    Darius II [son of Artaxerxes I Longimanus; aka “Ochus” and aka “Nothos”] - Reigned 423 BC – 405 BC (AM 3804 - AM 3822); see Nehemiah 12:12

    Artaxerxes II Mnemon [son of Darius II of Persia] - Reigned 405 BC – 359/8 BC (AM 3822 - AM 3868/9)

    Artaxerxes III Of Persia [son of Artaxerxes II Mnemon] - Lived ca. 425 BC – 338 BC; Reigned 359/8 BC – 338 BC (AM 3868/9 - AM 3889)

    Artaxerxes IV Arses Of Persia [son of Artaxerxes III Of Persia] - Reigned 338 BC – 336 BC (AM 3889 - AM 3891)

    Darius III Codomannus [aka “Artashata”] - Reigned 336 BC – 330 BC (AM 3891 - AM 3897)

    He was defeated by Alexander The III The Great, and thus really ended the Silver Medo/Perisan reign...

    Artaxerxes V [aka “Bessus”] - Reigned 330 BC (AM 3897) [lived a short rebellion, dies in 329 BC]

    After the Silver Persian Kingdom, came the Brass/Bronze Greek [Greecian/Macedonian] Kingdom:

    Which The Brass/Bronze Greek Empire truly began with:

    Alexander III The Great Of Macedon [King of the West] [son of Phillip II Of Macedon] - Lived 356 BC – 323 BC; see Daniel 8:5,8,21; 11:3-4
    Reigned 336 BC – 323 BC [Macedon]
    Reigned 332 BC – 323 BC [Egypt]
    Reigned 330 BC – 323 BC (AM 3897 - AM 3904) [Persia]


    ...temporarily succeeded by his infant son, Alexander IV Aegus [Lived 329 BC – 309 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 309 BC] and half-brother Phillip III of Macedon [aka "Arrhidaeus"] [Lived ca. 359 BC – 317 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 317 BC], both were killed.
     
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    Daniel 2 parallels Daniel 7, as demonstrated by language here:

    Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared, 7 Branch Candlestick (PDF)

    [3] Leopard, [3] Brass “belly and thighs” [Daniel 2:32,39, 7:6,12,17, 8:5-8,21-22, 10:20, 11:2-3,4] = Greece

    Greece = “Javan” = Genesis 10:2 “The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.”

    Daniel 10:20 “Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.”

    Ezekiel 27:13 “Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they [were] thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.”​

    Grecia[ns] [Greece] [Zechariah 9:13; Daniel 8:21, 10:20, 11:2; Joel 3:6; Acts 6:1, 9:29, 11:20, 20:2] see also “Javan” [Genesis 10:2,4; 1 Chronicles 1:5,7; Isaiah 66:19; Ezekiel 27:13,19]

    Dan. 2:32

    “... his belly and his thighs of brass,”

    Dan. 7:6

    “After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.”​

    The next (third) Kingdom to follow (the second, Medo-Persia) was:

    Dan. 2:32

    Symbol:

    “... his belly and his thighs of brass,”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 2:39 "... and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth."​

    Which is parallel to Dan. 7:

    Dan. 7:6

    Symbol:

    “After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.”​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.​

    Which parallels Dan. 8:

    Symbol:

    Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

    Dan 8:6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

    Dan 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

    Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.​

    Identification/interpretation:

    Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.​

    Which parallels Dan. 11:

    Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

    Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

    Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.​

    As the other prophets stated:

    Dan_10:20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

    Eze_27:13 Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were thy merchants: they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass in thy market.​

    Then follows the division of the 3rd kingdom into 4, then 2, Dan. 7:6, 8:8, 11:4-19.
     
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    It is simply amazing that you apply pagan Rome correctly in Daniel 2 and 7, but then entirely miss it in Daniel 8 and 11, when the same language is used in each location (as well as in Revelation 13-17), and instead focus upon some insignificant Greecian king in the weak portion of that empire (which is also not found in Revelation, or in 2 Thessalonians; neither Ezekiel). It was shown that Antiochus IV Epiphanes does not fit the prophecy in its specifics in event or time., and you yourself could not give an historical reference which so corresponds to exactness (neither could the commentators). This ought to tell you something right away.

    The "little horn" in both Daniel 7 and 8, refer to the same element, which is why the same symbol is used - Roman, not Greecian.

    Dan. 7:6, 8:8, 11:4-19. all refer to the division of the Greecian empire, after Alexander III the Great died.

    Four Heads in Daniel 7, but it did not start that way (see Daniel 8:5-8(a.),21; Daniel 11:3-4(a.), He-Goat, 1 head):

    Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.​

    Four smaller horns from the Great Horn of the He-Goat in Daniel 8:

    Dan 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

    Dan 8:6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

    Dan 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

    Dan 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

    Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

    Dan 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.​

    Four directions of the winds of Heaven (Daniel 8:8) in Daniel 11:

    Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

    Dan 11:4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

    Dan 11:5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion.

    Dan 11:6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

    Dan 11:7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:

    Dan 11:8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.

    Dan 11:9 So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.

    Dan 11:10 But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.

    Dan 11:11 And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand.

    Dan 11:12 And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it.

    Dan 11:13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.

    Dan 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

    Dan 11:15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.

    Dan 11:16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.

    Dan 11:17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

    Dan 11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.

    Dan 11:19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.​

    Thus ends Antiochus III The Great in vs 19. Rome Follows in vs 20, more on that in a bit.

    The Medo-Persians waxed "great" (Daniel 8:4).

    The Greecian waxed "very great" (Daniel 8:8).

    The Little Horn waxed "exceeding great" (on earth, even as Medo-Persians and Greecian did over Israel, Coele-Syria; Daniel 8:9) and "great" (to heaven; Daniel 8:10).​

    As shown historically, Antiochus IV Epiphanes never 'waxed exceeding great' in any of the three directions he went, which also were not in the order given in the Prophecy, but Pagan Rome did do so, and also attacked God's people, and later the ministry of Jesus.

    Later after the deaths of Alexanders' son and half-brother, and the wars of the 12 Major or so Diadochi, and the division of Greece into 4 Heads, they battled and battled until only two major were really left [Lysimachus and Cassander being dropped out], 4 Heads of the Leopard Daniel 7, 4 Horns of the He-Goat of Daniel 8

    [1] Ptolemy I Soter I [Saviour; aka Ptolemy Lagides] King Of The South; Lived 367 BC – 283 BC; Reigned 323 BC – 283 BC (AM 3904 - AM 3944) [Egypt; Kingdom of the South]

    [2] Lysimachus [son of Agathocles] - Lived 360 BC – 281 BC; Reigned 306 BC – 281 BC [Thrace]

    [3] Cassander [son of Antipater] - Lived 350 BC – 297 BC; Reigned 305 BC – 297 BC [Macedon]

    [4] Seleucus I Nicator [Victor] [son of Antiochus & Laodice] King of the North - Lived 358 BC – 281 BC; Reigned 305 BC – 281 BC (AM 3922 - AM 3946) [Coele-Syria; Babylon, Kingdom of the North]​
     
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    It is simply amazing that you apply pagan Rome correctly in Daniel 2 and 7, but then entirely miss it in Daniel 8 and 11, when the same language is used in each location (as well as in Revelation 13-17), and instead focus upon some insignificant Greecian king in the weak portion of that empire (which is also not found in Revelation, or in 2 Thessalonians; neither Ezekiel). It was shown that Antiochus IV Epiphanes does not fit the prophecy in its specifics in event or time., and you yourself could not give an historical reference which so corresponds to exactness (neither could the commentators). This ought to tell you something right away.

    Lysimachus and those after him and Cassander and those after him, grew weaker, and thus The Two Heads/Horns that were left are these [in short]:

    Ptolemy [King of the South, that is to the South of Jerusalem – Egypt]

    [1] Ptolemy I Soter I 323 – 282 BC (AM 3904 - AM 3944) [first satrap/prince, then King]

    [2] Ptolemy II Philadelphus 282 – 246 BC (AM 3944 - AM 3980)

    [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes 246 – 222 BC (AM 3980 - AM 4004)

    [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator 222 – 205/4 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4021/2)

    [5] Ptolemy V Epiphanes 205/4 – 180 BC (Am 4021/2 - AM 4046)

    [6] Ptolemy VI Philometor 180 – 145 BC (AM 4046 - AM 4081)

    Seleucus/Antiochus [King of the North, that is to the North of Jerusalem – Babylon [Syria]]

    [1] Seleucus I Nicator [Victor] 358 – 281 BC (AM 3922 - AM 3946)

    [2] Antiochus I Soter [skipped, and goes straight to Antiochus II Theos] 281 – 261 BC (AM 3946 - AM 3966) [born 286 BC]

    [3] Antiochus II Theos [God] 261 – 246 BC (AM 3966 - AM 3981)

    [4] Seleucus II Callinicus [Beautiful Victor] or aka Pogon [Bearded] 246 – 225 BC (AM 3981 - AM 4002)

    [5] Seleucus III Soter Ceraunus [Saviour Thunder] 225 – 223 BC (AM 4002 - AM 4004) [born 243 BC]

    [6] Antiochus III The Great 222 – 187 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4039) [born 241 BC]​

    ...and there really ended the great rule of Brass/Bronze Greece, as Pagan Rome came up into power, and threw back Antiochus III The Great, which died attempting a robbery of a temple, and had even his son (Antiochus IV Epiphanes) as hostage for a time (as already demonstrated historically), and other seleucids did come, but their power was weak, and Rome grew stronger.

    Antiochus III The Great 222 – 187 BC (AM 4004 - AM 4039) [born 241 BC]

    transfer of strength to Rome 187 BC - 168 BC (AM 4039 - AM 4058)

    Rome 168 BC (AM 4058)

    "... In 168 BC, it [Pella] was sacked by the Romans, and its treasury transported to Rome, and Livy reported how the city looked in 167 BC to Lucius Aemilius Paulus Macedonicus, the Roman who defeated Perseus at the battle of Pydna: ..." - Pella - Wikipedia

    "... The third and second century BC saw the establishment of Roman hegemony over the Mediterranean and the East, through the three Punic Wars (264–146 BC) fought against the city of Carthage and the three Macedonian Wars (212–168 BC) against Macedonia.[34] Then were established the first Roman provinces: Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, Hispania, Macedonia, Achaea and Africa.[35] ..." - Rome - Wikipedia

    And after a short period comes along Julius Caesar:


    "... Gaius Julius Caesar[a] (/ˈsiːzər/; Latin pronunciation: [ˈɡaː.i.ʊs ˈjuː.li.ʊs ˈkae̯.sar]; 12 or 13 July 100 BC – 15 March 44 BC),[c] known by his nomen and cognomen Julius Caesar ..." - Julius Caesar - Wikipedia

    (etc)

    (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix)

    Julius Caesar - Ruled Rome - October 49 BC – 15 March 44 BC (AM 4177 - AM 4182)


    Gaius Octavius Thurinus (Augustus) - Ruled Rome (40 years) - 16 January 27 BC - 19 August AD 14 (AM 4199 - AM 4239, no year 0, goes from 1 BC to AD 1)

    The date of BC 1 (circa AM 4225)
    the date of AD 1 (circa AM 4226)

    Age of the Earth (here) (PDF)

    We are going to look more at Daniel 8 and 11 in just a moment, and show that Daniel 11:5-19 have nothing to do with Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
     
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    Daniel 11:2-13 (in summation style, pausing at 14, for a more indepth study) and continuing after...

    And now will I [Gabriel] shew thee [Daniel] the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet [Cyrus was ruling, Daniel 10:1] three kings [Cambyses II, False Smerdis, Darius I Persian] in Persia; and the fourth [Xerxes I, Ahasuerus] shall be far richer [Esther 1:1-5] than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia [Esther 10:1-2]. Daniel 11:2

    And a mighty king [Alexander III The Great] shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion [“bear rule over all the earth”], and do according to his [Alexander III The Great] will. Daniel 11:3

    And when he [Alexander III The Great] shall stand up, his [Alexander III The Great] kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided [into “4”] toward the four winds of heaven [Macedon, Thrace, Syria, Egypt]; and not to his [Alexander III The Great] posterity [not his son, but the Diadochi: Seleucus, Ptolemy, Cassander, Lysimachus, and their dynasties], nor according to his [Alexander III The Great] dominion [“not in his power”] which he [Alexander III The Great] ruled: for his [Alexander III The Great] kingdom shall be plucked up [by the Romans], even for others [the Romans] beside those [the Diadochi]. Daniel 11:4

    And the king of the south [of Jerusalem] shall be strong [A1], and [one] of his princes; and he [B1] shall be strong above him [A2], and have dominion; his dominion [shall be] a great dominion [B2]. Daniel 11:5

    King Of The South [1] - Ptolemy I Soter I (Ancient Greek: Πτολεμαῖος Σωτήρ, Ptolemaĩos Sōtḗr, i.e. Ptolemy (pronounced /ˈtɒləmi/) the Savior), also known as Ptolemy Lagides,[1] c. 367 BC – c. 283 BC, was a Macedonian general under Alexander the Great, who became ruler of Egypt (323 BC – 283 BC) and founder of both the Ptolemaic Kingdom and the Ptolemaic Dynasty. In 305/4 BC he took the title of pharaoh.” [Wikipedia; Ptolemy I Soter I] - Ptolemy I Soter - Wikipedia

    Daniel 11:5 “...the king of the south shall be strong ...”

    King Of The North [1] - Seleucus I (given the surname by later generations of Nicator, Greek: Σέλευκος Νικάτωρ, i.e. Seleucus the Victor) (ca. 358 BC – 281 BC) was a leading officer of Alexander the Great's League of Corinth and one of the Diadochi. In the Wars of the Diadochi that took place after Alexander's death, Seleucus established the Seleucid dynasty and the Seleucid Empire. His kingdom would be one of the last holdouts of Alexander's former empire to Roman rule. They were only outlived by the Ptolemaic Kingdom in Egypt by roughly 34 years.

    After the death of Alexander, Seleucus was nominated as the satrap of Babylon in 320 BC. Antigonus forced Seleucus to flee from Babylon, but, supported by Ptolemy, he was able to return in 312 BC. Seleucus' later conquests include Persia and Media. He was defeated by the emperor of India, Chandragupta Maurya and accepted a matrimony alliance for 500 elephants after ceding the territories considered as part of India. Seleucus defeated Antigonus in the battle of Ipsus in 301 BC and Lysimachus in the battle of Corupedium in 281 BC. He was assassinated by Ptolemy Ceraunus during the same year. His successor was his son Antiochus I.

    Seleucus founded a number of new cities, including Antioch and Seleucia, now part of present-day Syria and Iraq, respectively.” [Wikipedia; Ptolemy I Nicator] - Seleucus I Nicator - Wikipedia

    Daniel 11:5 “...and [one] of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion [shall be] a great dominion.”

    *“...and [one] of his princes...” [this refers back to vs's 3 and 4, the “mighty King”, thus Alexander The Great]

    Daniel 11:3 “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”

    “stand up”, see also “The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.” Acts 4:26​

    Daniel 11:4 “And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”

    *“...shall be strong above him...”; this is to say that this “prince [of Alexander the Great]” will be stronger [he being, “King of the North” [1]] than the “King of the South” [1], and have “dominion”, even “a great dominion” and thus the Kingdom of the North, Syria [aka Babylon] first was in the hands of Seleucus I Nicator.​
     
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    And in the end of years [that is to say, after some time, some years, had passed in fulfillment of prophecy] they [the then current King of the South [Ptolemy II Philadelphus] and the then current King of the North [Antiochus II Theos]] shall join themselves together [by union of treaty through a marriage contract of family relations]; for the king's daughter of the south [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter - Berenice Syra] shall come to the king of the north [Antiochus II Theos] to make an agreement [literally to “make things straight” or “right” and so by treaty in marriage contract of family relations, so making peace from warring]: but she [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter – Berenice Syra] shall not retain the power of the arm [that is to say it will not last, and the strength of it [the treaty/marriage] will fail after her father Ptolemy II Philadelphus dies]; neither shall he [Antiochus II Theos] stand [that is to say he shall neither continue to rule as King of the North], nor his [Antiochus II Theos] arm [literally “strength”, that is to say the military strength of the state will not be enough and fail him]: but she [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter – Berenice Syra] shall be given up [that is to say that she shall be without support, put away after her father Ptolemy II Philadelpus dies, and so in the state given over or given up, or delivered up, or into others hands and so thus to be murdered/executed], and they that brought her [that is to say, her retinue of family and/or supporters that came with her will also be “given up”], and he [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter – Berenice Syra's son, “Antiochus”, will also be “given up”] that begat [literally, he [“Antiochus”, her son] that was sired/bared/gendered/travailed of] her [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter – Berenice Syra], and he [King of the South [Ptolemy II Philadelphus] that strengthened [literally “hardened”, “to make courageous”, “supported”] her [Ptolemy II Philadelphus daughter – Berenice Syra] in [these] times. Daniel 11:6

    King Of The South [2] - Ptolemy II Philadelphus (Greek: Πτολεμαῖος Φιλάδελφος, Ptolemaîos Philádelphos" 309 BCE – 246 BCE) was the king of Ptolemaic Egypt from 283 BCE to 246 BCE. He was the son of the founder of the Ptolemaic kingdom Ptolemy I Soter and Berenice, and was educated by Philitas of Cos. He had two half-brothers, Ptolemy Keraunos and Meleager, both of whom became kings of Macedonia (in 281 BCE and 279 BCE respectively). Both died in the Gallic invasion of 280–279 BCE (see Brennus).

    Ptolemy II erected a commemorative stele, the Great Mendes Stela. Ptolemies III through V also erected steles.” [Wikipedia; Ptolemy II Philadelphus] - Ptolemy II Philadelphus - Wikipedia

    King's Daughter Of The South -Berenice, also called Berenice Syra [or Phernopherus [alt. Phernophoros; meaning “the dowry-bearer” or “dowry-giver”, which comes from the amount of wealth brought, in both gold and silver, etc]], was the daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus and his first wife Arsinoe I of Egypt.

    In 261 BC she married the Seleucid monarch Antiochus II Theos, who, following an agreement with Ptolemy (249 BC), had divorced his wife Laodice I and transferred the succession to Berenice's children.

    In 246 BC, when Ptolemy died, Antiochus II took up again with his first wife, Laodice. The Syrian King died shortly after, many suspect from poisoning. Queen Berenice claimed the Regency for her infant son Antiochus and conquered Soloia with her army, however, she and her son were both killed by Laodice as well. Berenice's brother, Ptolemy III Euergetes succeeded their father and set about to avenge his sister's murder by invading Syria and having Laodice killed. This is also mentioned in the Book of Daniel 11:6.” [Wikipedia; Berenice] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenice_(Seleucid_queen)

    *Original Wife of King Of The North [2] was Laodice I (flourished 3rd century BC, died before 236 BC) was an Anatolian noblewoman who was a close relative of the early Seleucid Dynasty and was the first wife of the Seleucid Greek King Antiochus II Theos.[1]” [Wikipedia; Laodice I] - Laodice I - Wikipedia

    *King Of The North [not mentioned] - Antiochus I Soter (Greek: Αντίοχος Α' Σωτήρ, i.e. Antiochus the Savior, unknown - 261 BC), was a king of the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire. He reigned in 281 BC – 261 BC.​

    Antiochus I was half Persian, his mother Apama being one of the eastern princesses whom Alexander the Great had given as wives to his generals in 324 BC. In 294 BC, prior to the death of his father Seleucus I, Antiochus married his stepmother, Stratonice, daughter of Demetrius Poliorcetes. His elderly father reportedly instigated the marriage after discovering that his son was in danger of dying of lovesickness. Stratonice bore five children to Antiochus: Seleucus (he was executed for rebellion), Laodice, Apama II, Stratonice of Macedon and Antiochus II Theos, who succeeded his father as king.

    On the assassination of his father in 281 BC, the task of holding together the empire was a formidable one. A revolt in Syria broke out almost immediately. Antiochus was soon compelled to make peace with his father's murderer, Ptolemy Keraunos, apparently abandoning Macedonia and Thrace. In Anatolia he was unable to reduce Bithynia or the Persian dynasties that ruled in Cappadocia.

    In 278 BC the Gauls broke into Anatolia, and a victory that Antiochus won over these hordes is said to have been the origin of his title of Soter (Gr. for "saviour").

    At the end of 275 BC the question of Coele-Syria, which had been open between the houses of Seleucus and Ptolemy since the partition of 301 BC, led to hostilities (the First Syrian War). It had been continuously in Ptolemaic occupation, but the house of Seleucus maintained its claim. War did not materially change the outlines of the two kingdoms, though frontier cities like Damascus and the coast districts of Asia Minor might change hands.

    On March 27 268 BC Antiochus I laid the foundation for the Ezida Temple in Borsippa.[1] His eldest son Seleucus had ruled in the east as viceroy from 275 BC(?) till 268/267 BC; Antiochus put his son to death in the latter year on the charge of rebellion. Circa 262 BC Antiochus tried to break the growing power of Pergamum by force of arms, but suffered defeat near Sardis and died soon afterwards. He was succeeded in 261 BC by his second son Antiochus II Theos.[2]” [Wikipedia; Antiochus I Soter] - Antiochus I Soter - Wikipedia

    King Of The North [2] -Antiochus II Theos (Greek: Αντίοχος Β' Θεός, 286 BC – 246 BC) was a king of the Hellenistic Seleucid Kingdom who reigned in 261 BC – 246 BC). He succeeded his father Antiochus I Soter in the winter of 262–61 BC. He was the younger son of Antiochus I and princess Stratonice, the daughter of Demetrius Poliorcetes.

    He inherited a state of war with Egypt, the "Second Syrian War", which was fought along the coasts of Asia Minor, and the constant intrigues of petty despots and restless city-states in Asia Minor. Antiochus also made some attempt to get a footing in Thrace. During the war he was given the title Theos (Greek: Θεός, "God"), being such to the Milesians in slaying the tyrant Timarchus.[1]

    During the time Antiochus was occupied with the war against Egypt, Andragoras, his satrap in Parthia, proclaimed independence. According to Justin's epitome of Pompeius Trogus, in Bactria, his satrap Diodotus also revolted in 255 BC, and founded the Greco-Bactrian kingdom, which further expanded in India in 180 BC to form the Greco-Indian kingdom (180 BC – 1 BC). Then about 238 BC, Arsaces led a revolt of the Parthians against Andragoras, leading to the foundation of the Parthian Empire. These events would have cut off communications with India. Phylarchus[2] relays current scandals regarding his drunken banquets and liaisons with unsuitable young men.

    About this time, Antiochus made peace with Ptolemy II of Egypt, ending the Second Syrian War. Antiochus repudiated his wife Laodice I and exiled her to Ephesus. To seal the treaty, he married Ptolemy's daughter Berenice and received an enormous dowry.

    During her stay in Ephesus, Laodice I continued numerous intrigues to become queen again. By 246 BC Antiochus had left Berenice and their infant son Antiochus, in Antioch to live again with Laodice I in Asia Minor. Laodice I took the occasion to poison Antiochus while her partisans at Antioch murdered Berenice and their infant son. Antiochus was buried in the Belevi Mausoleum.[3]

    Laodice I then proclaimed Seleucus II as King. With his cousin-wife Laodice I, Antiochus had two sons: Seleucus II Callinicus, Antiochus Hierax and three daughters: Apama, Stratonice of Cappadocia and Laodice.[4]” [Wikipedia; Antiochus II Theos] - Antiochus II Theos - Wikipedia
     
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    But out of a branch [offshoot, relative, see and compare/contrast also to Isaiah 11:1] of her [previous King of the South's [2] - Ptolemy II Philadelphus, daughter - Berenice Syra] roots [ancestors/relatives] shall [one] stand up [that is to say, to begin to rule] in his [King Of The South [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes; which is King of the South [2] Ptolemy II Philadelphus son and Berenice Syra's brother] estate [this is the latest, and 3rd, King of the South], which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress [place of strength, protection, defense, stronghold, that which is Greek: [hypo] “under” [sterigmata] “supported”] of the king of the north [King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus], and shall deal against them [the most strongholds of the King of The North, or even Laodice [which had Berenice and her son and even possibly Antiochus II Theos all killed] and the then current King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus], and shall prevail: Daniel 11:7

    And shall also carry captives into Egypt [Kingdom Of The South] their gods [idols of Gold and Silver of the Kingdom of The North and of those which were earlier brought into the Kingdom Of The North by Cambyses II in his raids into Egypt, so 'rescuing them' and 'restoring them'], with their princes [molten images, that which is poured out], [and] with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he [King Of The South [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes] shall continue [more] years [in reigning in the Kingdom Of The South [246 – 222 BC, 26 years]] than the king of the north [King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus [246 – 225 BC, 21 years]. Daniel 11:8

    So the king of the south [King Of The South [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes] shall come into [his] [King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus] kingdom [Kingdom Of The North – Syria/Babylon, even as far as Babylon [246/5 BC] according to the Ptolemy III Chronicle], and shall return [literally to “turn back, go back again, return, turn away from, even restore [in the sense of returning to owner]”, like the “waters returned from off the land”; after a sedition arose in his own Kingdom] into his own land [Kingdom Of The South - Egypt]. Daniel 11:9

    King Of The South [3] - Ptolemy III Euergetes, (Greek: Πτολεμαῖος Εὐεργέτης, Ptolemaĩos Euergétēs, reigned 246 BC – 222 BC) was the third ruler of the Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt.” [Wikipedia; Ptolemy III Euergetes] - Ptolemy III Euergetes - Wikipedia

    King Of The North [3] - Seleucus II Callinicus or Pogon (Greek: Σέλευκος Β' Καλλίνικος, the epithets meaning "beautiful victor" and "bearded", respectively), was a ruler of the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire, who reigned from 246 to 225 BC. After the death of this father, Antiochus, he was proclaimed king by his mother, Laodice in Ephesos, while her partisans at Antioch murdered Berenice and her son, another Antiochus.

    This dynastic feud began the Third Syrian War. Ptolemy III, who was Berenice's brother and the ruler of Egypt, invaded the Seleucid Empire and marched victoriously to the Tigris or beyond. He received the submission of the Seleucid Empire's eastern provinces, while Egyptian fleets swept the coast of Asia Minor.

    Seleucus managed to maintain himself in the interior of Asia Minor. When Ptolemy returned to Egypt, Seleucus recovered Northern Syria and the nearer provinces of Iran. However, Antiochus Hierax, a younger brother of Seleucus, was set up as a rival in Asia Minor against Seleucus by a party to which Laodice herself adhered.

    At Ancyra (about 235 BC) Seleucus sustained a crushing defeat and left the country beyond the Taurus to his brother and the other powers of the peninsula. Seleucus then undertook an anabasis to regain Parthia, the results of which came to nothing. According to some sources, he was even taken prisoner for several years by the Parthian king. Other sources mention that he established a peace with Arsaces I, who recognized his sovereignty.

    In Asia Minor, Pergamon now rose to greatness under Attalus I. Antiochus Hierax, after a failed attempt to seize his brother's dominions when his own were vanishing, perished as a fugitive in Thrace in 228 or 227 BC.

    About a year later, Seleucus was killed by a fall from his horse. Seleucus II married his cousin Laodice II, by whom he had five children and among them were: Antiochis, Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great. He was succeeded by his elder son, Seleucus III Ceraunus, and later by his younger son Antiochus III the Great.” [Wikipedia, Seleucus II Callinicus] - Seleucus II Callinicus - Wikipedia
     
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    But his [King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus] sons [plural, Seleucus III Soter Ceraunus [225 – 223 BC] and then later Antiochus III The Great [222 – 187 BC]] shall be stirred up [that is to say “to war, to cause strife, to strive with, prone to anger, irritated, excite”, see specifically, “stirreth up, meddle, contend”: Deuteronomy 2:5,9,19,24; 2 Kings 14:10; 2 Chronicles 25:19; Proverbs 15:18, 28:4,25, 29:22; Jeremiah 50:24; Daniel 11:10,25 and see also 1 Samuel 22:8; 1 Kings 11:14, 21:25; 1 Chronicles 5:26; 2 Chronicles 21:16, 36:22; Ezra 1:1; Daniel 11:10,25; Haggai 1:14; Acts 6:2, 13:50, 14:2, 17:13, 21:27], and shall assemble [literally “gather/scrape/bring together, collect”] a multitude [literally “noise of a shower, roar, tumult, crowd, multitude, many, abundance”, like mighty rushing waters] of great [literally “many, exceedingly, great, strong [of number]”] forces [literally “strength, might, valiant, forces, an host, army, greatness [of substance]”, see also Daniel 11:7,10,13,25,26]: and [one] [a change from plural to singular here, for Seleucus III Soter Ceraunus died in 223 BC having only a brief reign, thus in reference to Antiochus III The Great The King Of The North [4]] shall certainly come [literally “enter, come into”, see also passage throughout Daniel], and overflow [like a river torrent/flood, to overwhelm, wash thoroughly with water], and pass through [the northern lands of Coele-Syria and Palestine previously conquered by the King Of The South [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes, the idea is of crossing/passing/going/flowing/giving over, like a river over its banks, or handing over to, and regain all parts of the Kingdom of The North that were previously lost in battle to the King Of The South [3] Ptolemy III Euergetes]: then shall he [the [one] of the “sons”, Antiochus III The Great The King Of The North [4]] return [literally to “turn/come back, go/come back again, return, turn away from, even to be restored [in the sense of returning to owner]” to all that was previously taken], and be stirred up [see previous “stirred up” in this verse], [even] to his [King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] fortress [place of strength, protection, defense, stronghold, that which is Greek: [hypo] “under” [sterigmata] “supported”, this was even unto the city of Raphia, being at the very borders of the Kingdom Of The Souths territories]. Daniel 11:10

    The Main Capital of the Kingdom Of The South was Alexandria.

    The Main Capital of the Kingdom Of The North was Antioch.

    King Of The South [4] -
    Ptolemy IV Philopator (Greek: Πτολεμαῖος Φιλοπάτωρ, Ptolemaĩos Philopátōr, reigned 221–205 BCE), son of Ptolemy III and Berenice II of Egypt was the fourth Pharaoh of Ptolemaic Egypt. Under the reign of Ptolemy IV, the decline of the Ptolemaic kingdom began.

    His reign was inaugurated by the murder of his mother, and he was always under the dominion of favourites, male and female, who indulged his vices and conducted the government as they pleased. Self-interest led his ministers to make serious preparations to meet the attacks of Antiochus III the Great on Coele-Syria including Judea, and the great Egyptian victory of Raphia (217), where Ptolemy himself was present, secured the northern borders of the kingdom for the remainder of his reign. ...” [Wikipedia, Ptolemy IV Phiolopator] - Ptolemy IV Philopator - Wikipedia

    King Of The North [4, brief reign, one of the “sons” of the King Of The North [3] Seleucus II Callinicus] - Seleucus III Soter, called Seleucus Ceraunus (Greek: Σέλευκος Γ' Σωτὴρ, Σέλευκος Κεραυνός ca. 243 BC – 223 BC), was a ruler of the Hellenistic Seleucid Kingdom, the eldest son of Seleucus II Callinicus and Laodice II. His birth name was Alexander and was named after his great uncle the Seleucid official Alexander. Alexander changed his name to Seleucus after he succeeded his father as King. After a brief reign of three years (225 BC–223 BC), Seleucus was assassinated in Anatolia by members of his army while on campaign against Attalus I of Pergamon. His official byname "Soter" - Greek: Σωτὴρ means "Saviour", while his nickname "Ceraunus" - Greek: Κεραυνός means "Thunder".” [Wikipedia, Seleucus III Ceraunus] - Seleucus III Ceraunus - Wikipedia

    King Of The North [4] - Antiochus III the Great (Ancient Greek: Ἀντίoχoς Μέγας; c. 241 – 187 BC, ruled 222 – 187 BC) was a Seleucid Greek king[1][2][3] and the 6th ruler of the Seleucid Empire. He ruled over Greater Syria and western Asia towards the end of the 3rd century BCE. Rising to the throne at the age of eighteen in 223 BC, his early campaigns against the Ptolemaic Kingdom were unsuccessful, but in the following years Antiochus gained several military victories. His traditional designation, the Great, reflects an epithet he briefly assumed. He also assumed the title "Basileus Megas" (which is Greek for "Great King"), the traditional title of the Persian kings.

    Declaring himself the "champion of Greek freedom against Roman domination", Antiochus III waged a war against the Roman Republic in mainland Greece in autumn of 192 BC[4][5] only to be defeated.” [Wikipedia; Antiochus III The Great] - Antiochus III the Great - Wikipedia

    And the king of the south [King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] shall be moved with choler [literally, “anger, vexation, bitterness, provocation”, see also Daniel 8:7], and shall come forth [literally “to come out against, proceed forth, go forward”] and fight [literally “make war with, overcome in/do battle, eat, devour”] with him [The King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great], [even] with the king of the north [[4] Antiochus III The Great]: and he [The King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great] shall set forth [literally “to make a stand against, cause to be firm, stand forth, present forth”] a great multitude [same meaning as Daniel 11:10]; but the multitude shall be given [literally “given over, gifted, granted, yielded up”] into his [The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] hand [that is to say that The King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great and his armies will lose this battle to The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator and his armies at Raphia, thus leaving a certain portion of territories and its inhabitants to the Kingdom Of The South]. Daniel 11:11

    [And] when he [The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] hath taken away [literally “carried away with, lifted up”] the multitude [same meaning as Daniel 11:10,11], his [The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] heart shall be lifted up [literally “exalted, uplifted, raised up, proud, arrogant”, like satan in Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 28]; and he [The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] shall cast down [literally “cause to fall down”] [many] ten thousands [literally “a myriad, many thousands, many”, in other words, though The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator was victorious in battle against the King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great, instead of pressing the attack, he returned home and continued his licentious lifestyle, also killing 60,000 Egyptian Jews which revolted, etc so that his subjects became disaffected and eventually rebelled against him]: but he [The King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philopator] shall not be strengthened [by it] [literally “shall not prevail, be able to overcome, not be strengthened”, so he was not strengthened by the victory at Raphia]. Daniel 11:12
     
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    For the king of the north [The King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great] shall return [“come again” to the Kingdom Of The South, Ptolemaic Egypt, being now under the ruler of The King Of The South [5] Ptolemy V Epiphanes, a young child of the age of 5, and attack], and shall set forth a multitude greater [bigger army] than the former [literally “the first time, previously, before, at the beginning”, in the 4th Syrian War against the King Of The South [4] Ptolemy IV Philpator], and shall certainly come after certain years [after some time had passed, 203 BC [now being the 5th Syrian War], 14 years after the former war] with a great army and with much riches [which were obtained from the conquering of the lands Parthia and of the Lands of the East]. Daniel 11:13

    King Of The South [5] -Ptolemy V Epiphanes (Ancient Greek: Πτολεμαῖος Ἐπιφανής, Ptolemaĩos Epiphanḗs, reigned 204–181 BC), son of Ptolemy IV Philopator and Arsinoe III of Egypt, was the fifth ruler of the Ptolemaic dynasty. He became ruler at the age of five, and under a series of regents the kingdom was paralyzed.

    Ptolemy Epiphanes was only a small boy when his father, Ptolemy Philopator, died. …

    Antiochus III the Great and Philip V of Macedon made a pact to divide the Ptolemaic possessions overseas. Philip seized several islands and places in Caria and Thrace, whilst the Battle of Panium (198 BC) definitely transferred Coele-Syria, including Judea, from the Ptolemies to the Seleucids.

    Antiochus after this concluded peace, giving his own daughter Cleopatra I to Epiphanes to marry (193–192 BC). Nevertheless, when war broke out between Antiochus and Rome, Egypt ranged itself with the latter power. Epiphanes in manhood was remarkable as a passionate sportsman; he excelled in athletic exercises and the chase. ...” [Wikipedia, Ptolemy V Epiphanes] - Ptolemy V Epiphanes - Wikipedia

    And in those times [literally “at that/during the time/seasons”] there shall many [literally “great, abundance, numerous”, The King Of The North [4] Antiochus III The Great; and Philip V Of Macedon; and Regents of Egypt and Egyptians in revolt and Jews [joining with Antiochus III The Great]] stand up [literally “to make a stand against, cause to be firm, stand forth, present forth”] against the king of the south [The King Of The South [5] Ptolemy V Epiphanes, a young child of the age of 5; this is in the years 205/4 – 199/8 BC]: also the robbers [literally, “sons/children/descendants of breakers [of the covenant]/robbers/violent/tyrants” or in Ezekiel 18:10 is also a “shedder of blood” [hence murderer], see also Daniel 8:23 “And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.”, ] of thy [your] people [literally, “nation, countrymen” - the Jews] shall exalt [literally “bear/lift/rise up, exalt”] themselves to establish [literally “cause to stand, remain, endure”, confirm] the vision [literally Hebrew “chazown”, see Daniel 8:1,2,13,15,17,26, 9:21,24, 10:14, 11:14]; but they shall fall [literally “stumble, trip over something, lose balance, stagger, totter, come to ruin, to sink down, be overthrown, become weak, failing strength”]. Daniel 11:14
     
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    “...From Seleucia on the Tigris he led a short expedition down the Persian Gulf against the Gerrhaeans of the Arabian coast (205 BC/204 BC). Antiochus seemed to have restored the Seleucid empire in the east, which earned him the title of "the Great" (Antiochos Megas). In 205/204 BC the infant Ptolemy V Epiphanes succeeded to the Egyptian throne, and Antiochus is said (notably by Polybios) to have concluded a secret pact with Philip V of Macedon for the partition of the Ptolemaic possessions. Under the terms of this pact, Macedon were to receive Egypt's possessions around the Aegean Sea and Cyrene, while Antiochus would annex Cyprus and Egypt.

    Once more Antiochus attacked the Ptolemaic province of Coele Syria and Phoenicia, and by 199 BC he seems to have had possession of it before the Aetolian, Scopas, recovered it for Ptolemy. But that recovery proved brief, for in 198 BC Antiochus defeated Scopas at the Battle of Panium, near the sources of the Jordan, a battle which marks the end of Ptolemaic rule in Judea. ...” [Wikipedia; Antiochus III The Great] - Antiochus III the Great - Wikipedia

    Transition of Jerusalem from Southern to Northern Kingdoms: “... Alexander the Great conquered the region in 332 BCE and according to several Jewish traditions even visited Jerusalem.[21] After his death the region known as Coele-Syria was contested by the Diadochi and their successor states. Between 301 and 198 BCE the Land of Israel was under the rule of Ptolemaic Egypt, but in 198 BCE it passed to the Seleucid Empire. The Ptolemaic dynasty allowed Jews to manage their own affairs, without significant intervention by the government. Leadership was awarded to the High Priest, as is found in the account of Hecateus of Abdera, written around 300 BCE and quoted in Diodorus Siculus' Bibliotheca historica:

    “For this reason the Jews never have a king, and authority over the people is regularly vested in whichever priest is regarded as superior to his colleagues in wisdom and virtue.” —Diodorus Siculus, 40.3.1 – 40.3.3[22]

    In 198 BCE Antiochus III conquered Jerusalem, aided by the city's Jewish population. At the beginning of the Seleucid occupation, Antiochus granted the Jews a charter allowing Jewish autonomy and the return of Jews to Jerusalem, gave certain privileges to the priests, forbade foreigners and impure animals from the Temple precinct, and allocated official funds for religious practices in the Temple (the acquisition of sacrifices, oil and incense).[23]

    It was under Seleucid rule, however, that the effects of Hellenization became more pronounced. These were most sharply felt under Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who came to power in 175 BCE. In 167 BCE, with tensions between Hellenized and observant Jews at their peak, Antiochus outlawed Jewish rites and traditions and desecrated the Temple, sparking off the Maccabean Revolt. ...” [Wikipedia; Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period] - Jerusalem during the Second Temple Period - Wikipedia

    Part of the “many”: “Philip V (Greek: Φίλιππος Ε΄) (238 BC – 179 BC) was King of Macedon from 221 BC to 179 BC. Philip's reign was principally marked by an unsuccessful struggle with the emerging power of Rome. Philip was attractive and charismatic as a young man. A dashing and courageous warrior, he was inevitably compared to Alexander the Great and was nicknamed the darling of all Greece (Greek: ἐρώμενος ἐγένετο τῶν Ἑλλήνων).[1][2][3]

    Following an agreement with the Seleucid king Antiochus III to capture Egyptian held territory from the boy king Ptolemy V, Philip was able to gain control of Egyptian territory in the Aegean Sea and in Anatolia. This expansion of Macedonian influence created alarm in a number of neighbouring states, including Pergamum and Rhodes. Their navies clashed with Philip’s off Chios and Lade (near Miletus) in 201 BC. At around the same time, the Romans were finally the victorious over Carthage.

    In 200 BC, with Carthage no longer a threat, the Romans declared war on Macedon arguing that they were intervening to protect the freedom of the Greeks. After campaigns in Macedonia in 199 BC and Thessaly in 198 BC, Philip and his Macedonian forces were decisively defeated at the Battle of Cynoscephalae in 197 BC. The war also proved the superiority of the Roman legion over the Greek phalanx formation.

    The resulting peace treaty between Philip V and the Romans confined Philip to Macedonia and required him to pay 1000 talents indemnity, surrender most of its fleet and provide a number of hostages, including his younger son Demetrius. After this, Philip cooperated with the Romans and sent help to them in their fight against the Spartans under King Nabis in 195 BC. Philip also supported the Romans against Antiochus III (192 BC-189 BC).

    In return for his help when Roman forces under Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus and his brother Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus moved through Macedon and Thrace in 190 BC, the Romans forgave the remaining indemnity that he had to pay and his son Demetrius was freed. Philip then focused on consolidating power within Macedon. He reorganised the country's internal affairs and finances, mines were reopened and a new currency was issued.

    However, Rome continued to be suspicious of Philip's intentions. Accusations by Macedon's neighboring states, particularly Pergamum, led to constant interference from Rome. Feeling the threat growing that Rome would invade Macedon and remove him as king, he tried to extend his influence in the Balkans by force and diplomacy. However, his efforts were undermined by the pro-Roman policy of his younger son Demetrius, who was encouraged by Rome to consider the possibility of succession ahead of his older brother, Perseus. This eventually led to a quarrel between Perseus and Demetrius which forced Philip to decide reluctantly to execute Demetrius for treason in 180 BC. This decision had a severe impact on Philip's health and he died a year later at Amphipolis.

    He was succeeded by his eldest son Perseus, who ruled as the last king of Macedon.” [Wikipedia, Philip V Of Macedon] - Philip V of Macedon - Wikipedia
    Let's really look at (Daniel 11:14) Vs 14 and break it down in detail, that it may truly be seen that it has nothing to do with Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
     
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    From Daniel 11:14-20, is the transition from Greece (Antiochus III The Great) to Rome (Caesars):

    Daniel 11:14 - And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

    Daniel 11:14 - And in those times there shall many [The King Of The North Antiochus III The Great; and Philip V Of Macedon; and Regents of Egypt and Egyptians in revolt and Jews [joining with Antiochus III The Great]] stand up against the king of the south [The King Of The South [5] Ptolemy V Epiphanes, a young child of the age of 5; this is in the years 205/4 – 199/8 BC]: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish [not "come to an end" [Psalms 7:9 KJB], not "take away" [Hebrews 10:9 KJB], not "destroy" [Proverbs 15:25 KJB], but rather, "to make" [Isaiah 62:7], "build up" [Psalms 89:4 KJB], "built up forever" [Psalms 89:2 KJB]] the vision [Daniel 8:1,2,13,15,17,26, 9:21,24, 10:14, 11:14 KJB]; but they shall fall.

    Who are “thy people” according to scripture [KJB]?

    The "thy people" in Daniel are the Jews/Israel, see Daniel 9:15,16,19,24, 10:14, 12:1, as seen also in Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc.

    Who then are “the robbers of thy people” according to scripture [KJB]??? It is not the Romans [Daniel 2:20, 7:23 KJB] as so often thought, because they knew nothing of the prophecies of Daniel, and in no way exalted themselves to see the vision of Daniel established, that is to fulfill it. Rather, they are “the robbers” which were among, part of, Israel. Search the Bible [KJB], and every time that the phrase “... of thy people” is used, in conjunction with another phrase, it refers to someone among the Jews, as for instance: "ruler of thy people" [Exodus 22:28 KJB], "poor of thy people" [Exodus 23:11 KJB], "children of thy people" [Leviticus 19:18], "thy servant is in the midst of thy people" [1 Kings 3:8 KJB], "supplication of thy servant, and of thy people" [1 Kings 8:30 KJB], "forgive the sin of thy people Israel" [1 Kings 8:34 KJB] and etc.

    What then, does the word “the robbers” mean according to scripture [KJB]? It means the “robbers”, the “thieves” [robbing God of the return of righteousness], the false messiahs, etc, among the people, the breakers of the covenant, the sinners and rebellious sons among the people, like Theudas, like Judas of Galilee, Barabbas, the zealots, the pharisees, the sadducees, corrupt Levites, priests and high priests, etc, that all attempted to fulfill in their own way, the vision of Daniel. See:

    Daniel 8:23 - And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    Psalms 17:4 - Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept [me from] the paths of the destroyer6530.

    Isaiah 35:9 - No lion shall be there, nor [any] ravenous6530 beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk [there]:

    Jeremiah 7:11 - Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers6530 in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen [it], saith the LORD.

    Matthew 21:13 - And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    Mark 11:17 - And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    Luke 19:46 - Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    Isaiah 1:23 - Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

    John 10:1 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber3027.

    John 10:8 - All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

    John 18:40 - Then cried they all again, saying , Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber3027.

    Hosea 7:1 - When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, [and] the troop of robbers spoileth without.

    Ezekiel 7:22 - My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret [place]: for the robbers6530 shall enter into it, and defile it.

    Ezekiel 18:10 - If he beget a son [that is] a robber6530, a shedder of blood, and [that] doeth the like to [any] one of these [things],

    Hosea 4:2 - By swearing , and lying , and killing , and stealing , and committing adultery , they break out6555 , and blood toucheth blood.

    Acts 21:38 - Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

    Isaiah 1:2 - Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. [rebellious sons, covenant breakers, transgressors, thus sinners]

    Acts 5:36 - For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

    Acts 5:37 - After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, [even] as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
     
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    They (Jews) could not usher in everlasting righteousness, and could not stand [righteous], but they all fell [sin, sinned].

    Ecclesiastes 7:29 - Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

    Psalms 5:10 - Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

    Psalms 20:8 - They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.

    Psalms 36:12 - There are the workers of iniquity fallen: they are cast down, and shall not be able to rise.

    Proverbs 10:8 - The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

    Proverbs 11:5 - The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.

    Proverbs 11:14 - Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

    Proverbs 11:28 - He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.

    Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Hosea 4:14 - I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall.

    Hosea 5:5 - And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.

    Hosea 14:1 - O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.

    Isaiah 8:15 - And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

    Luke 2:34 - And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

    1 Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

    Galatians 5:4 - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    1 Timothy 3:6 - Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

    1 Timothy 3:7 - Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.​

    Only Christ Jesus could fulfill the vision of Daniel.

    False Prophets / Messiahs arise, and false claimants as Israel's Political Deliverer / Saviour.

    - Theudas, “boasting himself to be somebody” [Acts 5:36]

    - Judas of Galilee [Acts 5:37]

    - Zealots [Luke 6:15; Acts 1:13]

    - the Egyptian [Acts 21:38]

    - Barabbas [Matthew 27:16,17,20,21,26; Mark 15:11,15; Luke 23:18; John 18:40]

    - Jews, like Pharisees, Sadducees, and Leaders like Annas and Caiaphas, etc. [Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; John 8:44]

    Daniel 8:23, 11:14; Psalms 17:4; Isaiah 1:2,23, 10:2, 35:9; Jeremiah 7:11; Ezekiel 7:22, 18:10; Hosea 4:2, 7:1; Malachi 3:8,9; Matthew 21:13, 23:14,28-33; Mark 7:9-13, 11:17, 12:40; Luke 19:46, 20:47; John 10:1,8,10, 18:40; Acts 5:36,37, 21:38​

    Fall:


    Matthew 23:32 - “Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.”​
     
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