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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by ReChoired, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    That's simply not true.
    Zechariah 9:10 is yet to come to pass, as it is about Christ's return...

    Zech 9:10
    10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.

    KJV

    That is about Christ's future return to rule over all nations with the "rod if iron" The Father promised Him, per Psalms 2 and Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 19:15.


    The verse just prior to that was about Christ's 1st coming...

    Zech 9:9
    9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

    KJV

    Thus there has already been over 2,000 years passed between those two verses, and Zech.9:10 is still yet to be fulfilled. So your "contiguous" idea about every single Bible prophecy doesn't hold water.

    Same thing for Isaiah 61:1-2. In Luke 4 Jesus at the start of His Ministry went into the temple and read from Isaiah 61. He stopped reading at the below verse 2 part in red. He then closed the Book and said what He read was then fulfilled in their ears.

    Isa 61:1-2
    61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

    KJV

    That last phrase of verse 2, "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn", is still not fulfilled today. That won't happen until the day of Christ's future return to this earth. It has already been over 2,000 years and we today are still waiting for the future fulfillment of that part in red.
     
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    You're the one promoting Jesuit propaganda from Jewish influences. Not everyone who understands the gap of time between the 69th and 70th weeks of the Book of Daniel are pre-trib rapture dispensationalists. I believe in a post-tribulation return of my Lord Jesus.

    And I've already debunked your "contiguous" fulfillment of prophecy ideas.
     
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    A mere image.
     
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    You are simply not understanding that Zech 9:10 describes Christ's overcoming the world and being given all authority in heaven and earth...which did occur 2000 years ago. And by denying that it has occurred, you deny Christ's authority, warned of as "the spirit of anti-Christ."

    On the contrary, "It is finished."
     
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    Good to hear that...and you do seem to be a very polite person , not like some.

    You will get some pushback and flack on here...mainly because you do have your SDA agenda up front and centre...while the other SDA on here "just post" , but now and again push their links and preachers a wee bit, but thats fine :)

    I hope you stick around and can take the heat here in a good spirit...some do get a little rude ( even nasty) with it , but then again, that is Jam on THEIR face, not yours. :)

    Blessings ...Helen
     
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    God does that, to denote special time, rather than regular (standard) time, for instance:

    Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.​

    He also does it, so that people cannot abuse the measurement, for instance:

    Eze_45:12 And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.
    In other words, the "maneh" is 60 shekels. Yet, I know people that try to say that the "maneh" is 50 shekels, to this day. This verse is clear against such.

    Each unit, by God's measurement, has a special spiritual value, not just a natural one. For instance, the 7 in scripture has significant meaning. Thus the 7 and 62.
     
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    You are making a mistake. You are comparing two differing things (time and historical event), as if they are the same thing.

    I gave the specific scriptural "time" prophecies, which every single one of them are "contiguous", no exceptions.

    I said nothing about prophecies in general, such as Zechariah 9. (I agree with you about the first and second coming portions of them). However, even there, there is no gap in history. It is simply summing up the two events. I can point to the same here:

    Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.​

    That is not a single event either, but 4 events, all rolled into a single verse. Yet though it speaks of 4 timeframes, they are contiguous in history, no gaps.

    So, for Zechariah, the first coming is followed by the second coming, (and yea the second by the third) there are no gaps. Keep in mind, the difference between "time" prophecies and prophecy in general which does not give any specific "time", such as the second coming. Point out to me in Zechariah 9 the specific "time" prophecy ... there is none.
     
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    Actually no, you have confused two things. See my response:

    Pro_18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.
     
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    "glass" (James) is not the "image", but the revealer of the "image", being the "mirror" - which was the answer. I was hoping the person that made such a statement, that I responded to with the question, would recognize that it is they themselves which are doing what I am being accused of by them.
     
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    Only the "courtyard" portion of the service of the sanctuary was "finished". The sacrifice, not the ministration. The foundation, not the walls and building, which would take time (even three "days" with the Lord). The Holy Place and Most Holy Place portions of ministration had yet to be completed after Calvary, and this was what Jesus ascended to do, and to return/come again. Soon it will be said, "It is done", and the mystery of God being "finished".
     
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    This is quite apropos (by no coincidence). Your first quote/post above of course meant something to you in your conversing with someone else. But within the context of James 1:23 the image in a glass, refers to an image not being real, i.e., he referred to someone who is "not a doer of the word" as being a phony. Which now applies to your second quote/post above:

    In what Christ "finished" it is indeed allowed that all is not finished, but only for those who are not finished themselves. That is just the thinking of men, thinking within the context and times of this world, and not giving full credit to Christ who had transcended the bounds of this world and has entered into the everlasting context of the kingdom, where all things are the same yesterday, today, and forever. On the contrary, those things that would seem to be yet unfinished, do not change the fact that Christ finished all--He spoke correctly, not in man's terms, but in God's.

    "It is finished."
     
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    1Co_14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
     
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    Jesus Christ wasn't "finished" with the Holy Place or Most Holy Place ministrations (and could not be since He was not yet High Priest then at Calvary, but after at Pentecost (50 days later), Psalms 133:1-3; Acts 2:1-3,33; Revelation 5:6, etc), only the courtyard service.

    Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​

    And that which needs to be prepared, is not yet finished, but soon will be:

    Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    As stated, the statement at Calvary, referred to the "foundation" being laid (Himself the chief corner stone), the "daily" courtyard service was done, but not yet the "daily" Holy Place, nor the "Yearly" Most Holy Place. Sins are not yet blotted out:

    Act_3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;​

    The times of "refreshing" is the latter rain, not the early, which take place just before Jesus returns to this earth in power and glory to gather His saints unto Himself.
     
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    Which proves time passes in Heaven, even as it does on earth, otherwise there can be no yesterday, nor tomorrow. Further verses that time passes in Heaven are seen through scripture, such as in Job:

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.​

    False ideologies of Heaven (3rd) make it into nothing, without space (place or matter) or time. Their vain imagination of heaven is truly null & void, and they even make God - nothing, vaporous, empty, a shell of an idea and nothing more, frittered away in the fires of satanic spiritualism.
     
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    Men can say these things in speaking for themselves...but not for Jesus. He spoke for Himself, and it is His hour that marks the time, not that of those who would claim to be in Him.

    So, one can speak of all these matters in terms of the world and that of men in their own life and times, or in spirit and in truth. For this reason "that day" of prophecy was correctly proclaimed and written of in past tense.

    Time is an illusion.
     
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    Indeed, these things are all written as "Once upon a time."

    But such an understanding is for children; and it is only a child who would read "yesterday, today, and forever" and actually consider them "the same." It is an intentional contradiction in terms. But God did not contradict Himself--He was simply speaking as to children...in story form. History is His story, told to His children.

    Should children be legalistic about what their parents tell them? Woe...and yet so many become lawyers.

    The point is...that approach does not lead to the truth, and much becomes the things of children's imagination, rather than the actual truth of God.
     
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    How very non-scriptural of you, to cite "you".

    Reality is measured by time.

    Prophecy was fulfilled to the exactness of time (Daniel 9):

    Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

    Gal_4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
    Deny this reality of time, that God Himself moves the whole universe by, and you then are the one living in illusion (willingly so). God set in motion the orbits of the planets, and the motions of the earth, sun and moon., and notice what God states:

    Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    Therefore, I cannot live in your private phantasy, which truly will rub against all reality, even eternity to come:

    Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.​
     
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    You ought to change your "faith" status to something which isn't Christianity, because what you are speaking has nothing to do with it.

    Prophecy speaks of the Future, not "once upon a time" (which you told me just a post ago was "illusion", and therefore cannot be "once upon a", which accepts reality, not illusory).

    History speaks of the past and present, which again deals with reality, not illusory. History is prophecy fulfilled. Prophecy is history yet to come.
     
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    Those examples I gave are just as valid as the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy, because the doctrine of men you are following on that says there is no GAP of time between the 69th and 70th weeks. So the real subject is about time gaps between fulfillment of prophecies.

    I also concur with others here that if God's Word doesn't reveal a time period (like the 2300 days of Dan.8) to be symbolic of years, then it is literally what it says it is. And in the Dan.8 case of the 2300 days, it means days, not years. We aren't to go off dancing in la la land with making every prophecy that has days and converting it into years. Doing that is just Biblical ignorance, even the working of Jewish Kabbalah occultists who think they can determine times and dates using gematria.
     
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    Yeah, I've already debunked your SDA Jewish Kabbalah occultist prognostications against a time gap between the Daniel 69th and 70th weeks.

    Dan 9:24
    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    KJV


    "to finish the transgression" - not finished, as Jesus showed in His Revelation for the end of this world about the coming Antichrist and transgression to occur in Jerusalem.

    "and to make an end of sins" - the orthodox unbelieving Jews have yet to convert to Christ Jesus as The Messiah. This especially is so for Jerusalem today.

    "to make reconciliation for iniquity" - this has yet to be done for the unbelieving Jews and Jerusalem. The Gospel was rejected there by them and Jesus said their house is left desolate (Matthew 23:37-39).

    "to bring in everlasting righteousness" - not fulfilled yet in Jerusalem, nor among today's unbelieving Jews, which are the majority there. The Daniel prophecy is for his people (the Jews) and for Jerusalem per the very first part of the verse.

    "to seal up the vision and the prophecy" - not finished because these prophecies in this verse are about the completion under Christ Jesus in Jerusalem.

    "to anoint the most Holy" - is about Christ's future Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 thru 47. That will only be built when Jesus returns, and He has not yet returned like Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 reveals He will, literally.
     
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