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Rapture 2020: Come Up Here

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Rapture and End Times, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. Rapture and End Times

    Rapture and End Times New Member

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    In Revelation chapter 4, John’s visit to Heaven is a preview of our blessed Rapture – our rescue! In this message, we focus on the open door, the command to “Come up here,” the One seated on the throne, and the 24 elders: Rapture 2020: Come Up Here
     
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    Trekson Well-Known Member

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    The only thing happening in Rev. 4 is John going to where he was summoned and has zero to do w/ the timing of the rapture. That is a false theology created by men who didn't understand that the seals are not part of God's wrath.
     
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    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    The tribulation is not a part of God's Wrath either. John does not mention the rapture, because that is not the focus of the Seals, Trumpets, Thunders.

    God's Wrath is the 7 vials (bowls) poured out on Satan's kingdom at the end of the 42 months (1260 days). The last vial being the call to the battle of Armageddon, where all will be physically killed. Why the church would be physically on earth at that time for a rapture, is foolishness.

    Trying to time the return before 2023, when Satan takes over is also mind bending. It still comes after 25% of the population is killed in the 4th seal. God allows Satan a pre-emptive "strike" to prove the church like Job. Perhaps like Job, some will wonder why they are being troubled by plague, famine, wild animals attacking and war allowed to disrupt the peace. This year was the peace even in a pandemic of uncertainty. When the 4th seal is opened, that should be the greatest sign. Not the speculation of a certain time frame.
     
  4. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    No it isn't.

    Neither was Isaiah's experience in Isaiah 6.

    Isa 6:1-5
    6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple.
    2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
    3 And one cried unto another, and said, "Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory."
    4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
    5 Then said I, "Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."
    KJV


    Isaiah saw a vision of The Father in Heaven sitting upon His throne. Isaiah thought he had died. Isaiah was 'in the spirit' to see that.

    Ezek 37:1
    37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

    KJV

    Ezekiel was "in the spirit of the LORD" to see that vision.

    Same thing with Apostle John in Revelation. John's flesh was captive on the Isle of Patmos while he was "in the spirit" to receive the visions of Christ's Revelation. It is not about a rapture, because the Old Testament prophets experienced the same kind of event in their day.

    And if the serious Bible student had actually studied their Old Testament Books about this, then they would have easily known anyone saying it's about a rapture of the Church didn't study their OT, and are just making things up to deceive God's people with.
     
  5. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    Enoch and Elijah had no problems with the concept of moving in and out of eternity.
     
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    Davy Well-Known Member

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    If you're trying to equate God taking them up in the clouds in relation to being on earth and being 'in the spirit' given visions of the heavenly, you'd be seriously wrong.
     
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