Where is the part that says that God's choosing was not based on His knowing us ahead of time?
Where does it say it
was based upon this? Your argument is a logical fallacy. You're attempting to argue "Since it doesn't address ______ therefore I am correct."
That's rather foolish, to be honest. It is a severe mishandling of the word, 2 Timothy 2:15 not being heeded. This is the first point where you try to lead Scripture instead of allowing it to lead you.
The point of the passage is that it shows God chose, not man, and that the choice is not based upon anything in man. This is why I used the passage, to refute your error that you think man chose God and so God chose man. That makes salvation meritorious, not grace. Thus your gospel is false.
God chose, all glory goes to him. You've missed that point entirely, and not only that, instead of giving God the glory, you rush to give it to man. That is your entire unconscious objective: you.
that God foreknew us, and having foreknown us, that we would be those who would receive Jesus (John 1), and so predestined us to become like Jesus?
You're misusing John 1. Probably John 1:12. It says nothing of the sort, you're adding to scripture and pointing again to you, to man, not God.
Nothing here supports the doctrine of unconditional election.
The entire portion of Scripture absolutely proves unconditional election, that God chooses based on nothing in them, and is showing them that nothing good in them caused God to choose them. Now, since you're still arguing for man, show, in that text that God chose man because of something he did. If God chose based on something in man, that is not grace, which is unmerited favor. Your gospel is merited favor, not the gospel of grace, since you preach God chose you because of ___________ .
We speak of God's election of people, but the real point of disagreement is not whether He chooses, but by what criteria He chooses.
He chooses based on the purpose of his will and counsel. Read Ephesians 1, without reading your glorious ability to choose, and that for this reason God chose you, into the text. Again, all you are preaching in your errant gospel is that you merited being chosen which = conditional election. That you cannot see this is remarkable.
These teaching unconditional election cite no reason for God to choose this one for heaven and that one for hell.
Already showed you the answer to this. According to the purpose of his will. Not yours, John 1:13, but God's, James 1:18. YOu, to the contrary, teach it is because you did something, which is, again, merited favor. In other words you see yourself as a person who earned God's favor, yet you call our position which denies this, arrogant by assertion. That, my friend, is absurd, backwards, and baseless.
These teaching the offer of the Gospel to all, that all may be saved if they choose cite as reason for God's election His foreknowledge of those who will choose Him. He knows what we'll do, so He prelimits our lives so that our circumstances will work towards the final product God desires for us.
The above is incoherent drivel. Other than that, in your nonsensical scenario, you're almost Calvinist, but with a twisted Universalism. "He prelimits lives so our circumstances work toward the final product God desires for us?" LOL!!! Yet you preach about "robots" and being "forced" then you make THAT statement? Slow down, you don't even know what you're saying. You're out of control and talking out both sides of your mouth.
This passage above does not address that point,
The above shows perfectly that you don't let Scripture lead you, you try to lead Scripture. This is twice you've done this. This is all due to the fact you have man ahead of God.
and therefore does not answer to my objection that the doctrine of unconditional election panders to mankind's pride.
Says the guy who in full pride thinks: 1) God chose him because he did ________. Now that is arrogant and you are sinice you think this to be the case. (Just an observation of your character.) 2) That he chose himself into the kingdom by his own efforts; 3) Does whatever it takes to remove God getting all the glory.
Obviously, and in addition, you don't comprehend the text, those who are chosen are humbled, and glory in God. You, on the other hand, glory in yourself instead.
After all, of all those God could have chosen but didn't, He chose ME.
Or rather, instead of believing God did it, you brag about how YOU chose him. Of all those who didn't choose God, YOU did! How wonderful of you, and lowly, especially when Scripture denies we are saved via choosing.
Anyhow, congrats! Tell us more about how you did it in your next post, OK?
I mean, that is what we are getting at, the bottom line: You glorying in you, and your hatred for those who know God chose them based on nothing in them. And you attempt to call them braggarts, all the while you talk of yourself and how you chose God.
Talk about blind.
In saying that God chose the foolish to confound the wise, it can also be understood in the same way as that Jesus came to call the sinners to repentance, not the righteous.
Of course he came to call sinners to repentance, your point is non sequitur, as the balance of your response.
If you think you are so wise
Re-read the text. I think just the opposite.
It is apparent you're the one who thinks of himself as wise, since you chose God out of your own ability, which is contrary to the one true Gospel. Franky, your gospel is false, it is all about you, not God. It boasts in you, not in God.
. . . why do you look to God? If you think you are so strong . . . why do you need a savior? But God lives with those who are meek, and humble, and who tremble at His word.
Baseless and unfounded drivel
Those who understand that they are nothing without Him.
But this isn't you -- you
were something without him, able to choose him, able to sway him therefore to choose you, that you were elected conditionally, and the condition is what you did. You're the opposite of the text at hand, you boast in you, not in God.
Those who recognize that there was nothing special about me -
False pretentious claim. You cannot claim this in conditional election. You are very confused, talking out both sides of your mouth.
God would have everyone to be with Him, though not by force of imposing His will over theirs in this regard.
More unbiblical banter. You're all over the place. You say this after telling us God limits things to direct us toward what he wants. You don't even know what you're saying, lol!
