SAVED : without Water

[Behold]

said to think that all they know is to to use acts 2:38 . its like that is the only scripture they know

Its because their Denomination is built on that verse.

Its their "core" doctrine.


If you show them that 10 yrs after Jesus was ascended back into Heaven, and Peter still didnt know that Gentiles could be saved.
That's Acts 10.
So, here we are, in the time of the Gentiles, and Peter has no idea its even started......a decade after the CROSS of Christ.
So, you can imagine the depth of theological confusion you find when the "Cult of Mary" and the Acts 2:38 denominations are built on PETER, and not on PAUL's Gospel of the Grace of God.

 

[Godslittleservant]

It says baptism in SPIRIT.

That is not water.

Can you even read?

See, you just posted that Spirit Baptism, is water, also.


Its not.

Spirit and Water are different words, and that's not all, regarding your verse.

I have given you many scriptures which show that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ which remits sins and gives the Spirit is the spirit baptism. It is scripturally proven in Romans 6

Some and maybe you say that the spirit baptism is the coming upon of the spirit with the signs of confirmation saying it is a dry baptism and use Romans 6 to seemingly prove you point but it does not hold water lets see why

John 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.] [And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.]

The spirit upon was with signs of confirmation so that we would believe but the spirit within was the indwelling the comforter that was promised to all the spirit upon was not for all but the spirit within is for all.

The spirit within is given through the baptism in Christ name the water baptism in the name of Christ per Acts 2:38 / Acts 10:47,84

John said that Jesus was to baptize with the spirit and Jesus does that just as said in Acts 2 where he baptized with water and spirit just as he told Nicodemus he would.
Take a note the baptism in Romans 6 is explaining what God does in the baptism in Christ name.
It is the baptism within not upon and can be seen as true by the fact it is one that was obeyed Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
The only baptism we were commanded to obey was that of Acts 2:38 the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ the baptism of the spirit within not upon.
So I ask you what you asked me "Can you even read?

 

[Godslittleservant]

said to think that all they know is to to use acts 2:38 . its like that is the only scripture they know

Untrue and extremely unfair I have shown many other scriptures to scripturally back up what is said in Acts 2:38
It is your hardens heart that does not let you study but just take snap remarks as this

 

[Behold]

I have given you many scriptures which show that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ which remits sins

Look at this...

Take Jesus off the Cross, and Put Him back in Heaven.
He's not died on the Cross yet.

Now, go and get baptized 234,567 times, and see if you are become a Christian.

That's a no.
Yet, you are water baptized.


Also, if you dont really believe in Jesus, and you get into the Baptism, and say you do.....then you are still going to hell, after you dry off, later.
Why is that?


and 2 more.

He that believes and is baptized, is saved, but He that BELIEVES NOT, is damned.

Notice that its only the BELIEVING, NOT.... ( NO FAITH), is the reason you go to hell.

One more.

John 3:36.

These DAMNED< who are all the unbelievers, are not damned because they didnt water baptized.
Read the verse, carefully, as the verse shows you what to do so that you dont end up in hell, and its not anything to do with WATER.

 

[Godslittleservant]

In Acts 2:38...

Did you notice that Peter had the believers get water baptized?
Did you notice that none in the Upper Room, nor did Peter get water baptized. ?????

That's interesting isn't it. ......
Open your bible, and check that out, one day, when you have time.
Notice that Peter didnt get "water baptized for the remission",= YET he spoke with Tongues.

Isn't that bible amazing?
It just chops down Cult Denominations......always., as the "word is sharper than any two edged sword".


And notice that Jesus was water baptized..
So, what SINS did He have, that needed to be "remitted by water"?
Did you ever ask the POPE that question?
He'd have to take a "recess" because He can't answer that one..., as it denies His entire CULT's Theology, of "saved by water".. "sins washed away by water".

Good luck with all that, as if you really study a NT, and stop just being told what to think by a denomination that is CLUELESS, you might find that your faith becomes something that you didn't expect to find.

Please show me book chapter and verse that says Peter did not get water baptized it just does not say one way or the other Peter could have been of the 300 it does not name them you are try to speak as fact when there is no backing your fact

 

[Behold]

Please show me book chapter and verse that says Peter did not get water baptized

Just read Acts 2:38
Then read Acts 10
Then read Acts 15, and find that Paul helped all the Apostles, not just Peter, to understand what im showing you.

Im assuming you have a bible.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Look at this...

Take Jesus off the Cross, and Put Him back in Heaven.
He's not died on the Cross yet.

Now, go and get baptized 234,567 times, and see if you are become a Christian.

That's a no.
Yet, you are water baptized.


Also, if you dont really believe in Jesus, and you get into the Baptism, and say you do.....then you are still going to hell, after you dry off, later.
Why is that?


and 2 more.

He that believes and is baptized, is saved, but He that BELIEVES NOT, is damned.

Notice that its only the BELIEVING, NOT.... ( NO FAITH), is the reason you go to hell.

One more.

John 3:36.

These DAMNED< who are all the unbelievers, are not damned because they didnt water baptized.
Read the verse, carefully, as the verse shows you what to do so that you dont end up in hell, and its not anything to do with WATER.

You said Take Jesus off the Cross, and Put Him back in Heaven.
He's not died on the Cross yet.

Now, go and get baptized 234,567 times, and see if you are become a Christian.

That is because Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is all about the cross can you not read if you can read Romans 6 it defines how the baptism in Jesus name is about the cross so really you can separate the cross from baptism in Christ name.

Also, if you don't really believe in Jesus, and you get into the Baptism, and say you do.....then you are still going to hell, after you dry off, later.
Why is that?
Why? Because the baptism is only valid if you believe in the cross if you are not a true believer the baptism in Christ name is nothing to you because you refuse to believe what Christ has done for you. Do you seriously not get that that elementary teaching in Gods word are you still on the milk?
He that believes and is baptized, is saved, but He that BELIEVES NOT, is damned.

Notice that its only the BELIEVING, NOT.... ( NO FAITH), is the reason you go to hell.

More elementary thinking Yes it is impossible to please god If you do not believe his words for his words are truth and life we are to believe all his word not free to pick and chose God said if you love me you will keep my commandment so to be his children we have to keep his word all not part so if you do not believe that he said you must believe and be baptized that means all if you do not believe he meant to say and be baptized that shows you are not a true believer but want to change it to fit your desire and not follow his words. To be a true believer you must trust in all his word not in part you have to take him at his word not bulk on parts you do not agree with or understand but all his word.

It is the same as I just answered in Mark 16 question if you do not believe the words of Christ then you are lost for in his words are truth and life meaning his word is true and from God and it tells you how to obtain eternal life but only as he speaks the truth you are not free to pick and chose and rely on your own understanding but from the words he spoke.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Just read Acts 2:38
Then read Acts 10
Then read Acts 15, and find that Paul helped all the Apostles, not just Peter, to understand what im showing you.

Im assuming you have a bible.

I have read and quoted from all those references so please be more specific on what you want me to see

 

[Ritajanice]

it is a dry baptism

Hi, you’ve mentioned dry baptism a few times...I have no idea what that is, is it biblical?

Do you mean being birthed in the Spirit?

 

[Behold]

I have read and quoted from all those references so please be more specific on what you want me to see

There is water baptism.
There is Spirit Baptism.

YET....."there is one Lord, One Faith, and ONE Baptism"

So, if there is one, then why is there both "Spirit' and "Water"?

Why is it, that you can be born again and never water baptized, and go to heaven.... and, you can be water baptized and go to Hell....

Its because the verse is showing the distinction between what gets you wet and what birth's your spirit.

 

[Behold]

That is because Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is all about the cross dummy

You have to Believe......

As "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness......

If you give God your faith, God gives you His Salvation........
Then, you get water baptized.

Notice that the Dying Thief on the Cross, is with Jesus........ and He was not water baptized.
He's in Heaven, right now.

There are millions who have trusted in Christ, in countries where the Bible is outlawed, and being a Christian will get you killed.
They are born again, long before they find a way later on, to secretly get in the water.

If you have a bible, read Acts 8...

Phillip and the Eunuch..

The Eunuch wanted to get in the water, but was prohibited by Phillip, until he had assured Phillip that he had "believed with ALL HIS HEART... = FIRST"..

 

[Godslittleservant]

Hi, you’ve mentioned dry baptism a few times...I have no idea what that is, is it biblical?

Do you mean being birthed in the Spirit?

Yes it is a false notion some has assigned the baptism in the spirit they use Romans 6 to say that the baptism here is not of water but the coming on of the spirit. I have tried to get them to understand that is is a baptism in water more importantly it is referring to the baptism in the name Of Jesus Christ of Acts 2:38 and is described here what God is doing in the baptism in Christ name as Paul explains it is in this baptism with the spirit within that sins are remitted and the indwelling spirit is given just ad Peter said in Acts 2 it according to Paul is one that obedience to the command is obeyed and just as promised sins were remitted and now we are alive in Christ Romans 6:17

People fail to see that there is a spirit upon and a spirit within tied to the phrase baptism of the holy ghost it works two different ways and we must not get them confused but study the word to get the true meaning.

The spirit upon is where the spirit came upon them with signs of wonder so that we could believe it is from God

The spirit within is the promised to all indwelling spirit it is for comfort and to present fruits it is not the power of signs for confirming Gods word but the indwelling that is deposited in us for a deposit toward enteral life.

A careful reading of the scriptures let one know the difference if one is truly seeking for the truth.

 

[Behold]

according to Paul is one that obedience to the command is obeyed

That's a lie.

Paul never said that water baptism is when, why, or where, you receive the Holy Spirit.

In Fact, Paul wrote..>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".

Stop lying @Godslittleservant

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes it is a false notion some has assigned the baptism in the spirit they use Romans 6 to say that the baptism here is not of water but the coming on of the spirit. I have tried to get them to understand that is is a baptism in water more importantly it is referring to the baptism in the name Of Jesus Christ of Acts 2:38 and is described here what God is doing in the baptism in Christ name as Paul explains it is in this baptism with the spirit within that sins are remitted and the indwelling spirit is given just ad Peter said in Acts 2 it according to Paul is one that obedience to the command is obeyed and just as promised sins were remitted and now we are alive in Christ Romans 6:17

People fail to see that there is a spirit upon and a spirit within tied to the phrase baptism of the holy ghost it works two different ways and we must not get them confused but study the word to get the true meaning.

The spirit upon is where the spirit came upon them with signs of wonder so that we could believe it is from God

The spirit within is the promised to all indwelling spirit it is for comfort and to present fruits it is not the power of signs for confirming Gods word but the indwelling that is deposited in us for a deposit toward enteral life.

A careful reading of the scriptures let one know the difference if one is truly seeking for the truth.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

 

[Godslittleservant]

There is water baptism.
There is Spirit Baptism.

YET....."there is one Lord, One Faith, and ONE Baptism"

So, if there is one, then why is there both "Spirit' and "Water"?

Why is it, that you can be born again and never water baptized, and go to heaven.... and, you can be water baptized and go to Hell....

Its because the verse is showing the distinction between what gets you wet and what birth's your spirit.

So, if there is one, then why is there both "Spirit' and "Water"?
John 3;3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.5 John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Now this is during the teaching of the kingdom to come when did the kingdom come?
According to scripture it is Acts 2

Jesus was baptizing in the time of the kingdom to come through his teaching same as that of John note it say Jesus was baptizing even though he baptized none but preached it instead John 4:1,2 1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Now lets fast forward to when The kingdom came and Peter opened the doors to the kingdom and preached the completed gospel not the one pointing to the coming of the kingdom for the kingdom now has came in Acts 2 when the Jews hears the gospel they asked what is required of them and what did Peter say to them Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Note it is a baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (the one John said he would baptize with )It is for the remission of sin and it gives the holy ghost (the indwelling spirit)

It is proven to be in water by scripture Acts 10:47,48 and Acts 8;35-38

It is proven by scripture that is in this baptism that the indwelling spirit is given
so it is a spiritual baptism in that God is doing the transforming work of making us alive in Christ from being dead in sin it is born in water be buried in the watery grave and being raised anew with the indwelling spirit (born again) by water and spirit

Why is it, that you can be born again and never water baptized, and go to heaven.
Because you have to believe what is said about baptism it is a believers baptism done in faith in Gods word

you can be water baptized and go to Hell.... Yes indeed if your baptism is not scriptural see Acts 19:1-5 and done in faith in Gods word on the matter.

 

[Godslittleservant]

That's a lie.

Paul never said that water baptism is when, why, or where, you receive the Holy Spirit.

In Fact, Paul wrote..>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".

Stop lying @Godslittleservant

You are misunderstanding scripture my friend for that is exactly what Paul said in the whole of Romans 6 do you have a bible my friend if so please read it


In Fact, Paul wrote..>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".

Again you are not reading in context but cherry picking. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:10-17

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Ce, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

verse 10 asking for unity in the word of God
verse 11 and 12 Paul says there is division because some think they are more righteous because they were baptized by some one else

verse 13 Paul asked is Christ divided meaning there is only one baptism and it is in the name of Christ who was crucified for you there fore you because he gave his life for you we are to be baptized in his name Acts 2:38

Verse 14 and 15 tells why he does not do the baptizing and he makes note that he did baptize a few in verse 16

verse 17 says he was sent not to do the baptizing for his disciples can handle that but his most important mission was to preach the cross and according to verse 13 that include the baptism in the name of Christ

when we read in context and not cherry pick the scriptures we get the full pitcher of what is being said but when we come to scripture with a bias we tend to miss the full meaning of scripture

now Please stop with the snide remarks and name calling and do as you were instructed and study to show your self approved

 

[Godslittleservant]

Its a "cult of mary" satanic theology that teaches that God has to use Water to give you His Salvation.

Its interesting to note how water cult heretics twist verses in the bible to teach the "cult of Mary's" "doctrine of devils".

Have you noticed how they do that @Godslittleservant ??

Take notice.

You my friend are not very Christ like you keep saying I am of a cult I show with Gods word that you are a false teacher but refrain from calling you names I would appreciate the same kindness

It is doing me no good to discuss this with you for you cannot see the truth in scripture but wan to water them down to ease your itchy ear syndrome

 

[Ritajanice]

You my friend are not very Christ like you keep saying I am of a cult I show with Gods word that you are a false teacher but refrain from calling you names I would appreciate the same kindness

It is doing me no good to discuss this with you for you cannot see the truth in scripture but wan to water them down to ease your itchy ear syndrome

Brother , if you look at post 87, you called Behold a “ dummy”....I wish you would both stop being immature ....I know it’s easy to say as I’ve argued myself.....we all at times get heated in the moment....take a break both of you....that’s what I do.....I’m not judging you, as I’ve been there myself and it’s fruitless, it’s all about self and zilch about God.

 

[Ezra]

Untrue and extremely unfair I have shown many other scriptures to scripturally back up what is said in Acts 2:38
It is your hardens heart that does not let you study but just take snap remarks as this

the word of God says with out the shedding of Blood there is NO REMISSION of sins. all through the o.t Blood was shed for sin pointing towards Christ sacrifice. even in Egypt they was told to apply the Blood to the door post and the death angle would pass .

so dont give me your programed strange fire teaching water baptism is a answering of a good conscience The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

baptism in water is something man does------>

Colossians 2:11-13

New King James Version

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Not Legalism but Christ​

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [a]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

you are in error

 

[BlessedPeace]

psst Jesus said baptizing in the name of the father son holy ghost -------aka the great commission



btw there no mention of your words the form of doctrine starts with Christ the great commission ..he was baptized do you think he was lost ? the payment for sin was at the cross not the water hole

Psst, no he didn't.
And, Jesus did not baptize anyone .